cal50 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 The next election/s could be entertaining. Fear not there are no shortage or people that still try to put the round peg in the square hole and blame the square hole , or the peg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hey all, quit giving the man made climate change alarmists a hard time, will you! You have to understand a few things here----------> 1. More than likely, they were taught this theory. 2. More than likely, they were taught this in college or university. 3. More than likely, they paid through the nose to go college or university. 4. If you paid 30, 40, 50, or 100,000 dollars for a Yugo, you would probably claim it was great, wonderful, right, correct, and the best there ever was to as a vintage Pinto drove by you on the highway. Just remember what many progressives in government have said up front--------->NEVER let a crisis go to waste. Let us all realize that if they can create a crisis, that makes it even better as they can mold it towards any excuse/blame they want, getting the desired result they really wish. So let me ask all of you; as of this upcoming year, (2014) what should we be worried about? A. Deficits? B. Obysmalcare wrecking your insurance? C. Iran getting a nuclear weapon? d. Man made global warming! Now you know why progressives want to engage your time about d; because they don't want to touch with a ten foot pole, a, b, or c-) You should worry more about driving in your state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 You should worry more about driving in your state. If your referring to Indiana, isn`t that where 2012 Republican Senate Candidate Richard Mourdock hailed from? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil1336 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hey all, quit giving the man made climate change alarmists a hard time, will you! You have to understand a few things here----------> 1. More than likely, they were taught this theory. 2. More than likely, they were taught this in college or university. 3. More than likely, they paid through the nose to go college or university. 4. If you paid 30, 40, 50, or 100,000 dollars for a Yugo, you would probably claim it was great, wonderful, right, correct, and the best there ever was to as a vintage Pinto drove by you on the highway. Just remember what many progressives in government have said up front--------->NEVER let a crisis go to waste. Let us all realize that if they can create a crisis, that makes it even better as they can mold it towards any excuse/blame they want, getting the desired result they really wish. So let me ask all of you; as of this upcoming year, (2014) what should we be worried about? A. Deficits? B. Obysmalcare wrecking your insurance? C. Iran getting a nuclear weapon? d. Man made global warming! Now you know why progressives want to engage your time about d; because they don't want to touch with a ten foot pole, a, b, or c-) Easy to blame everything that is (wrong) in Federal Government on Progressive Liberals. Without them, we would have (no) EPA! Check out what the air quality has been like recently in Shanghai, China. No EPA there to interfere with Job Creators and Commerce. So what if you can`t go outdoors most days without a mask or pollution protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Easy to blame everything that is (wrong) in Federal Government on Progressive Liberals. Without them, we would have (no) EPA! Check out what the air quality has been like recently in Shanghai, China. No EPA there to interfere with Job Creators and Commerce. So what if you can`t go outdoors most days without a mask or pollution protection. That's what totalitarian government does for you. All you Apple product lovers have to live with that. That and Walmart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Easy to blame everything that is (wrong) in Federal Government on Progressive Liberals. Without them, we would have (no) EPA! The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order. The order establishing the EPA was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.[4] The agency is led by its Administrator, who is appointed by the president and approved by Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 If your referring to Indiana, isn`t that where 2012 Republican Senate Candidate Richard Mourdock hailed from? LOL I meant in his state, as in his condition. Cons here give me a hard time about what how I communicate, but his posts are a rambling collection of thoughts after a little bit too much mad dog 20/20 and anger at the fact that Bill Knapp's closed and he can't go there at 5 with the rest of his "friends" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order. The order establishing the EPA was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.[4] The agency is led by its Administrator, who is appointed by the president and approved by Congress. Way to quote Wiki. You do know that the history of the environmental movement that lead to it's creation is longer than Nixon just putting all the groups in one powerful bureacracy right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Langston how old were you in 1970? I am guessing you weren't even born yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Way to quote Wiki. You do know that the history of the environmental movement that lead to it's creation is longer than Nixon just putting all the groups in one powerful bureacracy right? I suspect it started around the time the Cuyagoga River burned two or three times. And a full blooded Italian cried at a river bank while sitting on horseback, wearing a Indian Chief costume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Langston how old were you in 1970? I am guessing you weren't even born yet. Guessing by your use of wiki, it seems like you were the one not around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I meant in his state, as in his condition. Cons here give me a hard time about what how I communicate, but his posts are a rambling collection of thoughts after a little bit too much mad dog 20/20 and anger at the fact that Bill Knapp's closed and he can't go there at 5 with the rest of his "friends" "sigh," Langston continues to attempt to deflect FACTS, by attacking those who bring them forward. Typical progressive modus aperendi, just ask Debbie, Wasserman, Shultz. Questions asked of Langston------> 1. What is the correct temperature of earth? ANSWER........ (not quoted but rather paraphrased) Denier, flat earther, how dare you! We are trying to fix everything, and I am just trying to point out, we are having an effect on planet earth. The correct temperature is not important until you are taxed to death, that is when the temperature will be proper. 2. Why has earth warming stopped? ANSWER-----> Denier, flat earther, how dare you! It only gets cold in some places, in other places it gets hot, very hot! Just because I CONTINUE TO POINT OUT THAT ICE HAS MELTED, BUT NOBODY IS DROWNING, it makes no difference. I can't say it is melting because if I do and nobody is drowning, it ruins my argument. But if I say it isn't melting, that ruins my argument too. Quit pointing out discrepencys in my debate points, will ya! 3. Langston, Al Gore was wrong! ANSWER----------> Just because every MMGW person(including little ole lovable me) in the world got behind him and his movie, mean nothing, nothing! Just like we did before, we upgraded our predictions. These are super, super, super, super, accurate, where our last predictions were just super, super. And quit complaining none of the computer models are accurate, Obysmalcare was created off the same computers, and you know (cough, cough)how that is working perfectly! 4. But Langston, everything all of you predicted has not happened, you work for an auto company don't you, and that means more pain for the workers there if you have your way, doesn't it? ANSWER-------> Comrade, ignore that fact that we exempt all of the EMERGING economies like China and India; and no, this is not a transfer of wealth scheme, what this really is, is the United States, Canada, and the Western powers, doing the right thing. Obysmal will take care of me, heck, he even gave me an Obamaphone. He will take care of you too comrade, join me. More is on the way. DISCLAIMER: Langston was not interviewed, nor did he/SHE participate in this interview. His responses were not drawn nor reposted from this thread, and Langston might not even spin it this way, he may very well PROPOGANDIZE it in a singularly other way. In any case, I shall go drink some 20/20, or whatever he claims I am drinking, even as I sip some water out of my home tap. But hey, as Nick asked...........if Langston knows the earths temperature is wrong and headed in the wrong direction, then by all logic, he knows what temperature is right, correct, what should be, he knows so listen, he is an expert, so let him enlighten us! And EXACTLY, what temperature, say at the equator, would that be!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! If he can NOT answer, then he is GUESSING his theories are correct, for our planet may very well be changing in it's proper direction, and he wants to screw it all up, and send us to oblivion-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Wow, this thread really kicked into high gear. Try this on for size. What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend Whether you believe in MMGW or not, you guys have to learn to scrutinize sources. I mean, if a climate blog poster with an associates degree in civil engineering and a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering (who believes in MMGW, btw) says that we are in a cooling trend, then it must be true! Anyone can post anything on a blog. How about something from someone with a horse in the race? Question: Who (Other than a hyper-conservative representative from West VA) stated earth warming has stopped, and what are their credentials? Are they scientists? How about climate scientists? Maybe someone with a bit more credibility than a "special investigations writer" David Rose known for publishing lies and half-truths in the most conservative rag in the UK? Here is a hint - if you are ever referenced by Rush Limbaugh - you have already lost all credibility by people who do real science. Rose outright changes, misrepresents, lies, and provides zero sources to back up his "opinions". Edited December 23, 2013 by the_spaniard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 "sigh," Langston continues to attempt to deflect FACTS, by attacking those who bring them forward. Typical progressive modus aperendi, just ask Debbie, Wasserman, Shultz. Questions asked of Langston------> 1. What is the correct temperature of earth? ANSWER........ (not quoted but rather paraphrased) Denier, flat earther, how dare you! We are trying to fix everything, and I am just trying to point out, we are having an effect on planet earth. The correct temperature is not important until you are taxed to death, that is when the temperature will be proper. 2. Why has earth warming stopped? ANSWER-----> Denier, flat earther, how dare you! It only gets cold in some places, in other places it gets hot, very hot! Just because I CONTINUE TO POINT OUT THAT ICE HAS MELTED, BUT NOBODY IS DROWNING, it makes no difference. I can't say it is melting because if I do and nobody is drowning, it ruins my argument. But if I say it isn't melting, that ruins my argument too. Quit pointing out discrepencys in my debate points, will ya! 3. Langston, Al Gore was wrong! ANSWER----------> Just because every MMGW person(including little ole lovable me) in the world got behind him and his movie, mean nothing, nothing! Just like we did before, we upgraded our predictions. These are super, super, super, super, accurate, where our last predictions were just super, super. And quit complaining none of the computer models are accurate, Obysmalcare was created off the same computers, and you know (cough, cough)how that is working perfectly! 4. But Langston, everything all of you predicted has not happened, you work for an auto company don't you, and that means more pain for the workers there if you have your way, doesn't it? ANSWER-------> Comrade, ignore that fact that we exempt all of the EMERGING economies like China and India; and no, this is not a transfer of wealth scheme, what this really is, is the United States, Canada, and the Western powers, doing the right thing. Obysmal will take care of me, heck, he even gave me an Obamaphone. He will take care of you too comrade, join me. More is on the way. DISCLAIMER: Langston was not interviewed, nor did he/SHE participate in this interview. His responses were not drawn nor reposted from this thread, and Langston might not even spin it this way, he may very well PROPOGANDIZE it in a singularly other way. In any case, I shall go drink some 20/20, or whatever he claims I am drinking, even as I sip some water out of my home tap. But hey, as Nick asked...........if Langston knows the earths temperature is wrong and headed in the wrong direction, then by all logic, he knows what temperature is right, correct, what should be, he knows so listen, he is an expert, so let him enlighten us! And EXACTLY, what temperature, say at the equator, would that be!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! If he can NOT answer, then he is GUESSING his theories are correct, for our planet may very well be changing in it's proper direction, and he wants to screw it all up, and send us to oblivion-) Why do we envision you looking kinda like this while posting it. If your going to get all jacked up and have conversations in your head with an imaginary me, please remember that it's in your head and should stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Spaniard, you are behind the times on this one. Pretty much every one concedes the lack of warming. NASA's Hansen, the father of global warming, even conceded it in a paper this spring. The question now is how long do temperatures have to stay flat or decline before they have to concede the entire argument. The director of the IPCC says 40 years, or longer than the entire period that caused them to postulate the theory to begin with. Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/twenty-year-hiatus-in-rising-temperatures-has-climate-scientists-puzzled/story-e6frg6z6-1226609140980 But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted. Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years. "The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations," says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. "If we have not passed it already, we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change," he says. Edited December 23, 2013 by xr7g428 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) Spaniard, you are behind the times on this one. Pretty much every one concedes the lack of warming. NASA's Hansen, the father of global warming, even conceded it in a paper this spring. The question now is how long do temperatures have to stay flat or decline before they have to concede the entire argument. The director of the IPCC says 40 years, or longer than the entire period that caused them to postulate the theory to begin with. Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/twenty-year-hiatus-in-rising-temperatures-has-climate-scientists-puzzled/story-e6frg6z6-1226609140980 Wait, you mean James Hansen, this guy? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/02/science/james-e-hansen-retiring-from-nasa-to-fight-global-warming.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=1& James E. Hansen, the climate scientist who issued the clearest warning of the 20th century about the dangers of global warming, will retire from NASA this week, giving himself more freedom to pursue political and legal efforts to limit greenhouse gases. You really mean this guy, who said this about your 20 year thing? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/may/17/global-warming-not-stalled-climate "This is a diversionary tactic. Our understanding of global warming and human-made climate change has not been affected at all," he said. "It's because the deniers [of the science] want the public to be confused. They raise these minor issues and then we forget about what the main story is. The main story is carbon dioxide is going up and it is going to produce a climate which is going to have dramatic changes if we don't begin to reduce our emissions." You can't really mean this guy and his fellow authors? http://m.rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/371/2001/20120294.full Humanity is now the dominant force driving changes in the Earth's atmospheric composition and climate [1]. The largest climate forcing today, i.e. the greatest imposed perturbation of the planet's energy balance [1,2], is the human-made increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases (GHGs), especially CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. Earth's response to climate forcings is slowed by the inertia of the global ocean and the great ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica, which require centuries, millennia or longer to approach their full response to a climate forcing. This long response time makes the task of avoiding dangerous human alteration of climate particularly difficult, because the human-made climate forcing is being imposed rapidly, with most of the current forcing having been added in just the past several decades. Thus, observed climate changes are only a partial response to the current climate forcing, with further response still ‘in the pipeline’ [3]. I'm sorry but i don't think you meant James Hansen, but rather one of the Hanson brothers I'm sure for a an appearance fee that they will show up and skate around promoting your feelings on Climate change, but the James, Hansen formerly of NASA isn't on Team X in regards to this topic. Edited December 24, 2013 by Langston Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Langston beat me to it. And Graham Lloyd, the author of that article in the Australian (again, a man with zero academic credentials, but is considered to be a "climate reporter") has been found to misrepresent scientific findings ..even being corrected by the editors of the newspaper. The Australian (another Murdoch conservative rag) has even been accused of having an anti-green slant. Sorry, xr7g428. Scrutinize those sources, and you will "get with the times". It's not hard to point out ridiculous bias when you guys keep quoting from ultra-conservative anti-science rags and the best you can come up with are articles written by buffoons. I don't like referencing blogs myself, but Rose and Lloyd are so easily dismissed its not worth the time to do what so many others have covered, referencing scientific sources at the same time. Still waiting for someone with a PHD in front of their name that is a solid source against MMGW. There are a couple out there, but no one here seems to listen to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Yes, this guy: Here is the paper: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130115_Temperature2012.pdf Here are the quotes: Global Warming Standstill. The 5-year running mean of global temperature has been flat for the past decade. The climate forcing2 most often cited as a likely natural cause of global temperature change is solar variability. The sun's irradiance began to be measured precisely from satellites in the late 1970s, thus quantifying well the variation of solar energy reaching Earth (Fig. 4). The irradiance change associated with the 10-13 year sunspot cycle is about 0.1%. Given the ~240 W/m2 of solar energy absorbed by Earth, this solar cycle variation is about 1/4 W/m2 averaged over the planet. Although it is too early to know whether the maximum of the present solar cycle has been reached, the recent prolonged solar minimum assures that there is a recent downward trend in decadal solar irradiance, which may be a decrease of the order of 0.1 W/m2. The largest climate forcing is caused by increasing greenhouse gases, principally CO2 (Fig. 5). The annual increment in the greenhouse gas forcing (Fig. 5) has declined from about 0.05 W/m2 in the 1980s to about 0.035 W/m2 in recent years. A slower growth rate of the net climate forcing may have contributed to the standstill of global temperature in the past decade, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Spaniard, do you know what an ad hominem attack is? It is where you attempt to attack the speaker because you can't address the facts. You might as well toss out a sez you, or just go straight to mname calling. And remener you guys think Al Gore is a credible person, so stop with the ad hominem crap. I prefer to use your sources, like Hansen. Or I could use this guy... Curriculum VitaeRICHARD SIEGMUND LINDZENHome:301 Lake AvenueNewton, MA 02461(617) 332-4342Work:Bldg. 54, Room 1720M.I.T.Cambridge, MA 02139(617) 253-2432Fax: (617) 253-6208Email: rlindzen@mit.eduDate of Birth: 8 February 1940Place of Birth: Webster, MassachusettsMarried with two sons; wife's name is NadineEDUCATION:A.B.(mcl) in Physics, l960, Harvard University.S.M. in Applied Mathematics, l96l, Harvard University.Ph.D. in Applied Mathematics, l964, Harvard University. Thesis title: Radiative andphotochemical processes in strato- and mesospheric dynamics.WORK EXPERIENCE:l964-l965. Research Associate in Meteorology, University of Washington.l965-l966. NATO Post-Doctoral Fellow at the Institute for Theoretical Meteorology,University of Oslo.l966-l967. Research Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research.April-June l967. Visiting Lecturer in Meteorology, UCLA.l968-l972. Associate Professor and Professor of Meteorology, University of Chicago.Summers l968, l972, l978. Summer Lecturer, NCAR Colloquium.October-December l969. Visiting Professor, Department of Environmental Sciences, TelAviv University.l972-l982. Gordon McKay Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Harvard University.February-June l975. Visiting Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute ofTechnology.January-June l979. Lady Davis Visiting Professor, Department of Meteorology, TheHebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel.September l980-June l983. Director, Center for Earth and Planetary Physics, HarvardUniversity.July l982-June l983. Robert P. Burden Professor of Dynamical Meteorology, Harvard University.July l983- . Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.June 1988- . Distinguished Visiting Scientist at Jet Propulsion Laboratory.HONORS:Phi Beta KappaSigma XiNCAR Outstanding Publication Award, l967AMS Meisinger Award, l968AGU Macelwane Award, l969Alfred P. Sloan Fellowship, l970-l976Vikram Amblal Sarabhai Professor at Physical Research Laboratory, Ahmedabad, India, 1985AMS Charney Award, 1985Japanese Society for the Promotion of Science Fellowship, Dec. 1986-Jan. 1987Member, National Academy of SciencesFellow, American Academy of Arts & SciencesFellow, American Meteorological SocietyFellow, American Geophysical UnionFellow, American Association for the Advancement of ScienceSackler Visiting Professor, Tel Aviv University, January 1992Landsdowne Lecturer, University of Victoria, March 1993Member, Norwegian Academy of Science and LettersBernhard Haurwitz Memorial Lecturer, American Meteorological Society, 1997Leo Prize of the Wallin Foundation (first recipient), 2006Distinguished Engineering Achievement Award of the Engineers’ Council, February 2009MEMBERSHIP:American Meteorological SocietyNational Academy of SciencesAmerican Academy of Arts and ScienceAmerican Association for the Advancement of ScienceAmerican Geophysical UnionEuropean Geophysical SocietyWorld Institute of SciencesNorwegian Academy of Science and LettersOTHER:CV: R.S. Lindzen Page 2 February 10, 2010Consultant to the Goddard Laboratory for Atmospheres.Member, International Commission on Dynamic MeteorologyCorresponding Member, Committee on Human Rights, National Academy of SciencesLead author of the 2001 Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate ChangeMember, Science, Health, and Economic Advisory Council, The Annapolis CenterMember, Climate Change Science Program Product Development Advisory Committee of theDepartment of Energy (term ended in 2009)Previous service includes serving on editorial board of Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceansand PAGEOPH, membership on the Rocket Research Committee, the US GARP (GlobalAtmospheric Research Program) Committee, the Assembly of Mathematical and PhysicalSciences, the executive committee of the Space Studies Board, and the executive committee ofthe Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate of the National Research Council, serving as amember of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Corporation and serving on the council ofthe American Meteorological Society, Atmospheric Dynamics Committee of the AMS, MITrepresentative to UCAR, serving as a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at the Jet PropulsionLaboratory.CURRENT RESEARCH INTERESTS:The general circulation of the earth's atmosphere.Climate dynamics.Hydrodynamic shear instability.Dynamics of the middle atmosphere.Dynamics of planetary atmospheres.Parameterization of cumulus convection.Tropical meteorology.MIT ACTIVITIESFaculty Advisor, MIT Radio SocietyMember, Board of MIT Hillel FoundationPh. D. THESIS STUDENTSDonna Blake, Siu-Shung Hong, John Boyd, Lloyd Shapiro, Edwin Schneider, Margaret Niehaus,Jeffrey Forbes, Duane Stevens, Ian Watterson, Arthur Hou, Brian Farrell, Petros Ioannou, ArthurRosenthal, Ka-Kit Tung, David Jacqmin, Ronald Miller, Arlindo DaSilva, Christopher Snyder,De-Zheng Sun, Daniel Kirk-Davidoff, Constantine Giannitsis, Gerard Roe, Nili Harnik, PabloZurita-Gotor, Roberto RondanelliM.S. THESIS STUDENTSCV: R.S. Lindzen Page 3 February 10, 2010Joseph Chang, Niu Yang, Wen-Wei PanPOST-DOCTORAL FELLOWSStephen Fels, Edward Sarachik, Ching-Yen Tsay, Isaac Held, Pinhas Alpert, M. Uryu, StevenAshe, T. Aso, Randall Dole, Edwin Schneider, David Neelin, John Barker, Y.-Y. Hayashi,Michael Fox-Rabinowitz, Yuri Chernyak, Hans Schneider, Sumant Nigam, Edmund Chang,Myles Allen, Zachary Guralnik, Yong-Sang ChoiCV: R.S. Lindzen Page 4 February 10, 2010PUBLICATIONS1. (1965) On the asymmetric diurnal tide. Pure & Appl. Geophys., 62, 142-147.2. R.S. Lindzen and R.M. Goody (1965). Radiative and photochemical processes inmesospheric dynamics: Part I. Models for radiative and photochemical processes. J.Atmos. Sci., 22, 341-348.3. (1965) The radiative-photochemical response of the mesosphere to fluctuations inradiation. J. Atmos. Sci., 22, 469-478.4. (1966) Radiative and photochemical processes in mesospheric dynamics: Part II.Vertical propagation of long period disturbances at the equator. J. Atmos. Sci., 23,334-343.5. (1966) Radiative and photochemical processes in mesospheric dynamics. Part III.Stability of a zonal vortex at midlatitudes to axially symmetric disturbances. J. Atmos.Sci., 23, 344-349.6. (1966) Radiative and photochemical processes in mesospheric dynamics. Part IV.Stability of a zonal vortex at midlatitudes to baroclinic waves. J. Atmos. Sci., 23,350-359.7. (1966) On the theory of the diurnal tide. Mon. Wea. Rev., 94, 295-301.8. (1966) Crude estimate for the zonal velocity associated with the diurnal temperatureoscillation in the thermosphere. J. Geophys. Res., 71, 865-870.9. (1966) On the relation of wave behavior to source strength and distribution in apropagating medium. J. Atmos. Sci., 23, 630-632.10. (1966) Turbulent convection -- Malkus theory. Proc. NCAR Thermal ConvectionColloquium. NCAR Tech. Note 24.11. (1967) Thermally driven diurnal tide in the atmosphere. Q.J. Roy. Met. Soc., 93, 18-42.12. (1967) Diurnal velocity oscillation in the thermosphere -- reconsidered. J. Geophys. Res.,72, 1591-1598.13. (1967) On the consistency of thermistor measurements of upper air temperatures. J.Atmos. Sci., 24, 317-318.CV: R.S. Lindzen Page 5 February 10, 201014. (1967) Mesosphere. In The Encyclopedia of Atmospheric Sciences and Astrogeology, R.Fairbridge, ed. Reinhold Pub. Co., New York, pp 556-559.15. R.S. Lindzen and D.J. McKenzie (1967). Tidal theory with Newtonian cooling. Pure &Appl. Geophys., 64, 90-96.16. (1967) Physical processes in the mesosphere. Proc. IAMAP Moscow Meeting onDynamics of Large Scale Atmospheric Processes, A.S. Monin, ed.17. (1967) Lunar diurnal atmospheric tide. Nature, 213, 1260-1261.18. (1967) Planetary waves on beta planes. Mon. Wea. Rev., 95, 441-451.19. (1968) The application of classical atmospheric tidal theory. Proc. Roy. Soc., A, 303,299-316.20. (1968) Lower atmospheric energy sources for the upper atmosphere. Met. Mono., 9,37-46.21. (1968) Rossby waves with negative equivalent depths -- comments on a note by G.A.Corby. Q.J. Roy. Met. Soc., 94, 402-407.22. R.S. Lindzen, E.S. Batten and J.W. Kim (1968). Oscillations in atmospheres with tops.Mon. Wea. Rev., 96, 133-140.23. R.S. Lindzen and J.R. Holton (1968). A note on Kelvin waves in the atmosphere. Mon.Wea. Rev., 96, 385-386.24. R.S. Lindzen and T. Matsuno (1968). On the nature of large scale wave disturbances inthe equatorial lower stratosphere. J. Met. Soc. Japan, 46, 215-221.25. R.S. Lindzen and J.R. 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xr7g428 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 And way back in 2006 he had noted that there had been essentially no warming since 1998, when he wrote this: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB115127582141890238 There Is No 'Consensus' On Global Warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) At one time, all the greatest minds asserted that the world was flat. And so it was considered fact. And the sun revolved around the Earth. And the Moon was made of cheese. Edited December 30, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Interesting read. http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/13/OurFragilePlanet.htm Geophysicists estimate that just three volcanic eruptions, Indonesia (1883), Alaska (1912) and Iceland (1947), spewed more carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than all of mankind's activities in our entire history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 And way back in 2006 he had noted that there had been essentially no warming since 1998, when he wrote this: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB115127582141890238 There Is No 'Consensus' On Global Warming Can you pay for the link so we can read it? I'm not giving WSJ my paypal info just to read the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 ByRichard S. Lindzen Updated June 26, 2006 12:01 a.m. ET According to Al Gore's new film "An Inconvenient Truth," we're in for "a planetary emergency": melting ice sheets, huge increases in sea levels, more and stronger hurricanes and invasions of tropical disease, among other cataclysms -- unless we change the way we live now. Bill Clinton has become the latest evangelist for Mr. Gore's gospel, proclaiming that current weather events show that he and Mr. Gore were right about global warming, and we are all suffering the consequences of President Bush's obtuseness on the matter. And why not? Mr. Gore assures us that "the debate in the scientific community is over." That statement, which Mr. Gore made in an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC, ought to have been followed by an asterisk. What exactly is this debate that Mr. Gore is referring to? Is there really a scientific community that is debating all these issues and then somehow agreeing in unison? Far from such a thing being over, it has never been clear to me what this "debate" actually is in the first place. The media rarely help, of course. When Newsweek featured global warming in a 1988 issue, it was claimed that all scientists agreed. Periodically thereafter it was revealed that although there had been lingering doubts beforehand, now all scientists did indeed agree. Even Mr. Gore qualified his statement on ABC only a few minutes after he made it, clarifying things in an important way. When Mr. Stephanopoulos confronted Mr. Gore with the fact that the best estimates of rising sea levels are far less dire than he suggests in his movie, Mr. Gore defended his claims by noting that scientists "don't have any models that give them a high level of confidence" one way or the other and went on to claim -- in his defense -- that scientists "don't know… They just don't know." So, presumably, those scientists do not belong to the "consensus." Yet their research is forced, whether the evidence supports it or not, into Mr. Gore's preferred global-warming template -- namely, shrill alarmism. To believe it requires that one ignore the truly inconvenient facts. To take the issue of rising sea levels, these include: that the Arctic was as warm or warmer in 1940; that icebergs have been known since time immemorial; that the evidence so far suggests that the Greenland ice sheet is actually growing on average. A likely result of all this is increased pressure pushing ice off the coastal perimeter of that country, which is depicted so ominously in Mr. Gore's movie. In the absence of factual context, these images are perhaps dire or alarming. They are less so otherwise. Alpine glaciers have been retreating since the early 19th century, and were advancing for several centuries before that. Since about 1970, many of the glaciers have stopped retreating and some are now advancing again. And, frankly, we don't know why. * * * The other elements of the global-warming scare scenario are predicated on similar oversights. Malaria, claimed as a byproduct of warming, was once common in Michigan and Siberia and remains common in Siberia -- mosquitoes don't require tropical warmth. Hurricanes, too, vary on multidecadal time scales; sea-surface temperature is likely to be an important factor. This temperature, itself, varies on multidecadal time scales. However, questions concerning the origin of the relevant sea-surface temperatures and the nature of trends in hurricane intensity are being hotly argued within the profession. Even among those arguing, there is general agreement that we can't attribute any particular hurricane to global warming. To be sure, there is one exception, Greg Holland of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., who argues that it must be global warming because he can't think of anything else. While arguments like these, based on lassitude, are becoming rather common in climate assessments, such claims, given the primitive state of weather and climate science, are hardly compelling. A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse. Regardless, these items are clearly not issues over which debate is ended -- at least not in terms of the actual science. A clearer claim as to what debate has ended is provided by the environmental journalist Gregg Easterbrook. He concludes that the scientific community now agrees that significant warming is occurring, and that there is clear evidence of human influences on the climate system. This is still a most peculiar claim. At some level, it has never been widely contested. Most of the climate community has agreed since 1988 that global mean temperatures have increased on the order of one degree Fahrenheit over the past century, having risen significantly from about 1919 to 1940, decreased between 1940 and the early '70s, increased again until the '90s, and remaining essentially flat since 1998. There is also little disagreement that levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have risen from about 280 ppmv (parts per million by volume) in the 19th century to about 387 ppmv today. Finally, there has been no question whatsoever that carbon dioxide is an infrared absorber (i.e., a greenhouse gas -- albeit a minor one), and its increase should theoretically contribute to warming. Indeed, if all else were kept equal, the increase in carbon dioxide should have led to somewhat more warming than has been observed, assuming that the small observed increase was in fact due to increasing carbon dioxide rather than a natural fluctuation in the climate system. Although no cause for alarm rests on this issue, there has been an intense effort to claim that the theoretically expected contribution from additional carbon dioxide has actually been detected. Given that we do not understand the natural internal variability of climate change, this task is currently impossible. Nevertheless there has been a persistent effort to suggest otherwise, and with surprising impact. Thus, although the conflicted state of the affair was accurately presented in the 1996 text of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the infamous "summary for policy makers" reported ambiguously that "The balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate." This sufficed as the smoking gun for Kyoto. The next IPCC report again described the problems surrounding what has become known as the attribution issue: that is, to explain what mechanisms are responsible for observed changes in climate. Some deployed the lassitude argument -- e.g., we can't think of an alternative -- to support human attribution. But the "summary for policy makers" claimed in a manner largely unrelated to the actual text of the report that "In the light of new evidence and taking into account the remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations." In a similar vein, the National Academy of Sciences issued a brief (15-page) report responding to questions from the White House. It again enumerated the difficulties with attribution, but again the report was preceded by a front end that ambiguously claimed that "The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability." This was sufficient for CNN's Michelle Mitchell to presciently declare that the report represented a "unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse and is due to man. There is no wiggle room." Well, no. More recently, a study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it. Even more recently, the Climate Change Science Program, the Bush administration's coordinating agency for global-warming research, declared it had found "clear evidence of human influences on the climate system." This, for Mr. Easterbrook, meant: "Case closed." What exactly was this evidence? The models imply that greenhouse warming should impact atmospheric temperatures more than surface temperatures, and yet satellite data showed no warming in the atmosphere since 1979. The report showed that selective corrections to the atmospheric data could lead to some warming, thus reducing the conflict between observations and models descriptions of what greenhouse warming should look like. That, to me, means the case is still very much open. * * * So what, then, is one to make of this alleged debate? I would suggest at least three points. First, nonscientists generally do not want to bother with understanding the science. Claims of consensus relieve policy types, environmental advocates and politicians of any need to do so. Such claims also serve to intimidate the public and even scientists -- especially those outside the area of climate dynamics. Secondly, given that the question of human attribution largely cannot be resolved, its use in promoting visions of disaster constitutes nothing so much as a bait-and-switch scam. That is an inauspicious beginning to what Mr. Gore claims is not a political issue but a "moral" crusade. Lastly, there is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition. An earlier attempt at this was accompanied by tragedy. Perhaps Marx was right. This time around we may have farce -- if we're lucky. Mr. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Spaniard, do you know what an ad hominem attack is? It is where you attempt to attack the speaker because you can't address the facts. You might as well toss out a sez you, or just go straight to mname calling. And remener you guys think Al Gore is a credible person, so stop with the ad hominem crap. I prefer to use your sources, like Hansen. Or I could use this guy... x, it has nothing to do with ad hominem. People like Graham and Rose have no facts to address. They intentionally misrepresent the findings from scientists. They distort the facts and have been regularly burned, debunked and just plain reamed by scientists over that misrepresentation. Those aren't facts. If they had their own facts (from their own studies) I might cut them more slack. I never said Gore was credible, but I would trust the results of a panel composed of scientists over a glorified blogger. That's my beef with deniers. There are legitimate people out there (deniers) with a horse in the race (like Lindzman) that are rarely referenced here. Instead you get a series of charlatan blog-writers referenced by deniers (and obviously people on this very forum) that don't withstand a hair of scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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