damagedone37 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 So we are only allowed one ear plug too then? because ear plugs cut out more sound then my earbuds. The safety stupidity continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 How about the person walking watch the video again? There are restricted areas where there should be no pedestrians. LOL. Just this morning I watched a Hilo driver looking the wrong way drive through a stop and nearly hit a cart already in the intersection. He started yelling at the driver of the cart even though there where 4 of us there who saw him run the stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 LOL. Just this morning I watched a Hilo driver looking the wrong way drive through a stop and nearly hit a cart already in the intersection. He started yelling at the driver of the cart even though there where 4 of us there who saw him run the stop. Totally different situation than I was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 seater Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Earbuds, headphones etc...have never been allowed at LAP. I'm shocked they have been allowed any where. Thats a horrible safety issue. Some of the transfers into LAP have tried wearing them, I saw one yesterday that the hi lo driver was laying on the horn & the guy never even looked up because he couldnt hear him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Earbuds, headphones etc...have never been allowed at LAP. I'm shocked they have been allowed any where. Thats a horrible safety issue. Some of the transfers into LAP have tried wearing them, I saw one yesterday that the hi lo driver was laying on the horn & the guy never even looked up because he couldnt hear him it's not a horrible safety issue on most jobs, in fact i dont think i've ever had a job where it wouldve caused any kind of safety issue. the only jobs i can see where it shouldnt be allowed across the board are driving jobs or jobs that require a yellow vest. no you shouldnt be wearing them walking down the aisle or stuff like that obviously. funny thing is i can wear ear plugs that block out more noise then my earbuds, but thats okay right?. this is just another way of the company covering their ass because there are morons that do stupid shit, i could almost guarantee this came about because some dumbass was injured, while the other 99% of us are smart enough to know when and where to use them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 seater Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) If your earplugs block out more noise than your earbuds you can't have it loud enough to hear. I've worn both ( illegally) when I was on a job by myself where no other people or forklifts were in the body shop & there was no comparison to how much more I could hear with earplugs vs buds. The guy with the buds yesterday was on the line not in the aisle, he had his lunchbox on the empty rack & the driver was trying to get his attention to move it. Saw another where the operator walks in between 2 racks that are taller than he is, he walked in just as the driver was pulling empty out, almost got hit, driver didnt know he had buds in beeped horn but operator couldn't hear him Edited December 1, 2012 by 2 seater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 funny thing is i can wear ear plugs that block out more noise then my earbuds, but thats okay right?. this is just another way of the company covering their ass because there are morons that do stupid shit, i could almost guarantee this came about because some dumbass was injured, while the other 99% of us are smart enough to know when and where to use them Ear plugs do not block that much noise. A typical ear plug used correctly will usually block 25 to 35 decibels of noise. Good ear muffs are at the 30 to 40 range. The reality is that you don't get that much noise reduction from the average ear bud and your not playing music at the 30 to 40 decibel range, which is under half volume. It's a completely false suggestion that your average person is walking around with ear buds at whisper level for volume, let alone inside a plant where the ambient level of noise is increased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Ear plugs do not block that much noise. A typical ear plug used correctly will usually block 25 to 35 decibels of noise. Good ear muffs are at the 30 to 40 range. The reality is that you don't get that much noise reduction from the average ear bud and your not playing music at the 30 to 40 decibel range, which is under half volume. It's a completely false suggestion that your average person is walking around with ear buds at whisper level for volume, let alone inside a plant where the ambient level of noise is increased. so you're saying everyone listens to their earbuds at a dangerous level at which you cant hear a hi-lo horn? i think that is completely false. chances are more likely that the guy just wasnt paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 seater Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 there is no way to know how loud a person listens to their headphones/earbuds. Hence the ban, which LAP doesnt need as they have been banned for at least the last 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 there is no way to know how loud a person listens to their headphones/earbuds. Hence the ban, which LAP doesnt need as they have been banned for at least the last 20 years. thats great for LAP /sarcasm let me guess, LAP had some dumbass get injured 20 years ago listening to a tape player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9notenuff Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 It is not and never will be about safety. It's about controlling the masses. If they really gave a damn about safety there wouldn't be standing water everywhere on rainy days & hilo drivers would be getting time off for all the stupidity I see from some drivers, a minority of them, on a daily basis. Like near misses with pedestrains, lifting and dropping turntables, hitting parked and moving maintence vehicles and dropping quadrupal stacked racks of steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I still can't wait to see them police this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 It is not and never will be about safety. It's about controlling the masses. If they really gave a damn about safety there wouldn't be standing water everywhere on rainy days & hilo drivers would be getting time off for all the stupidity I see from some drivers, a minority of them, on a daily basis. Like near misses with pedestrains, lifting and dropping turntables, hitting parked and moving maintence vehicles and dropping quadrupal stacked racks of steel. Would also like to see assemblers getting time off for there stupidity also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTPrt Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm asking for "Snickers" for the next 21 working days to break the habit of listening to my music. I just know I will not be MYSELF. I truly understand the ban on the drivers in Motor Bay, but please, those of us that work on the line, just doesn't make sence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 so you're saying everyone listens to their earbuds at a dangerous level at which you cant hear a hi-lo horn? i think that is completely false. chances are more likely that the guy just wasnt paying attention. Do you struggle with reading? I think I was perfectly clear in what I said. I'll even repost it for you in case you need to see it again. funny thing is i can wear ear plugs that block out more noise then my earbuds, but thats okay right?.this is just another way of the company covering their ass because there are morons that do stupid shit, i could almost guarantee this came about because some dumbass was injured, while the other 99% of us are smart enough to know when and where to use them Ear plugs do not block that much noise. A typical ear plug used correctly will usually block 25 to 35 decibels of noise. Good ear muffs are at the 30 to 40 range. The reality is that you don't get that much noise reduction from the average ear bud and your not playing music at the 30 to 40 decibel range, which is under half volume. It's a completely false suggestion that your average person is walking around with ear buds at whisper level for volume, let alone inside a plant where the ambient level of noise is increased. So if we use logic here we can come to three reasonable conclusions. A) Half volume on an average MP3 player is 40 decibels, greater than the noise reduction of ear plugs. B) People will play music louder when faced with greater ambient noise. Most people play their music over the 40 decibel mark without being in areas with loud background noise already. C) You gave a completely unrealistic scenario as very few people would fit having the volume set below half way while inside the plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 bottom line is, this is bullshit. majority of the people in the plant can safely do their job with headphones in. the company should be worrying more about the drug and alcohol abuse that goes on during work hours, oh thats right our bosses and union are doing it too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 bottom line is, this is bullshit. majority of the people in the plant can safely do their job with headphones in. the company should be worrying more about the drug and alcohol abuse that goes on during work hours, oh thats right our bosses and union are doing it too. Ok. But that's not what you said. I commented on what you said, not on what you felt you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Ok. But that's not what you said. I commented on what you said, not on what you felt you meant. You want to argue dB levels, my point is it doesnt matter on most jobs in the final building, it doesnt effect you doing your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 You want to argue dB levels, my point is it doesnt matter on most jobs in the final building, it doesnt effect you doing your job. End of story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 You want to argue dB levels, my point is it doesnt matter on most jobs in the final building, it doesnt effect you doing your job. I don't want to argue decibel levels. I wanted to point out your statement was not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) Yeah, I remember how that worked out at OHAP in '06 when they took away all radios. Everyone was stopping the line for every DELTA item, and quit voluntarily fixing defects that came from other areas. The line was down enough in a manor in which the employees could not be disciplined for stopping it that they were losing nearly 100 units a shift. We looked for any defect we could to justify stopping the line :~) Every employee on the floor was angry that they were badgering them. Within a week a letter was released retracting their policy. I still have the memo. A happy worker is a productive worker, start bullying people for no reason, or just because you are in rebalancing and see what happens when they stand together. Oh, and Nix on wireless devices interfering with the broadcast system. Hospitals and gas stations tried to push the cell phone lie for years too. They never interfered before, so who do you people think your bullshitting? Edited December 16, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCAPFINAL Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 at kcap we were told bluetooth can cause false readings with the quality scanners used to insure the right part was being installed ? ... thats why there banned from plant ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damagedone37 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 at kcap we were told bluetooth can cause false readings with the quality scanners used to insure the right part was being installed ? ... thats why there banned from plant ? We have the same scanners here and have been using Bluetooth for years. All this is is another form of control and over safety -ing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 at kcap we were told bluetooth can cause false readings with the quality scanners used to insure the right part was being installed ? ... thats why there banned from plant ? right, and just like cellphones on a plane, there has never been a case where there was any interference i bet too. they're full of shit as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I find it entertaining when policy is created to prevent actions that have already taken place for years without incident. Like smoking near a diesel fueling station. Diesel is combustible, not flammable. It has such a high flash point that it cannot be ignited by a cigarette. However at truck stops it was common place to see people smoking while fueling, all the sudden it is a fire hazard. Bull shit! They only smoked near diesel for the last 100 years, now there is a threat? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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