napfirst Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 but what do i know, I'm only a low expectation voter by you. Bada bing...you finally get it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Then I can only imagine how cross you are with the last administration and the people in it as a so called high expectation voter, because what Obama was way more than anything they did. You most not trust conservative politicians anymore based on their actions. I think this was the right thing to do, but what do i know, I'm only a low expectation voter by you. I noticed you ignored my comment about barry failing to tell the American people about losing their plans prior to the 2012 election..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Trim, Ford's excuse was that he only used crack during his Drunken Stupors. That's plural. Do you really think that it's OK for the Mayor of a major city to have multiple Drunken Stupors with a crack cocaine chaser? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) I noticed you ignored my comment about barry failing to tell the American people about losing their plans prior to the 2012 election..... Really, i'm sorry. Perhaps he didn't know then? There i have addressed it http://youtu.be/FsqJFIJ5lLs Edited November 12, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Trim, Ford's excuse was that he only used crack during his Drunken Stupors. That's plural. Do you really think that it's OK for the Mayor of a major city to have multiple Drunken Stupors with a crack cocaine chaser? It's not ok, but it is not a deal-breaker, either. Lying to hundreds of millions of people about their health insurance is orders of magnitude worse than fibbing to avoid personal embarrassment. It is nobody's business if a person wants to vent in private, or among trusted friends. It is probably good therapy. What is worse is secretly recording someone's private actions and selling them to a communist newspaper, and that newspaper making them public. It is like taking up-skirt videos and putting them on the internet, or hiding a camera in someone's bathroom. Who is committing the bigger crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Trim's just a good hearted conservative voter in love with a good timing mayor. Edited November 12, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) He did not apologize for lying....he said he was sorry that people would lose their plans....which he knew a year ago but kept it secret for fear of losing the 2012 election... you are a "low-expectation voter"...so it doesn't take much to impress you....thus your fawning for barry.... And you think i'm the low expectation voter. Here's a truly low expectation voter. It's not ok, but it is not a deal-breaker, either. Lying to hundreds of millions of people about their health insurance is orders of magnitude worse than fibbing to avoid personal embarrassment. It is nobody's business if a person wants to vent in private, or among trusted friends. It is probably good therapy. What is worse is secretly recording someone's private actions and selling them to a communist newspaper, and that newspaper making them public. It is like taking up-skirt videos and putting them on the internet, or hiding a camera in someone's bathroom. Who is committing the bigger crime? I prefer my Mayor's to be past their drunken stupor drug doing days. But boy doesn't drunken stupor just remind ya of the last admin and the prince of fools? Edited November 12, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Pittsburgh just elected a new Mayor to replace our current party boy. In Mayor Ravenstahl's defense, he was only 26 when he got the job upon the death of his predecessor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decranum Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 i never understood how being a politician didn't imply that you were being watched and recorded 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Maybe if Mayor Ford did more of this and less crack this would have never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) And you think i'm the low expectation voter. Here's a truly low expectation voter. I prefer my Mayor's to be past their drunken stupor drug doing days. But boy doesn't drunken stupor just remind ya of the last admin and the prince of fools? What they do on their own dime is less important to me than what they do on my dime. Ford looks out for the taxpayer. The crooks who want to steal from us are out to get him. He probably doesn't party any more than anyone else in office. Nobody pays an army of spies to stalk them; trying to discredit them on their private behavior instead of what they are doing on their jobs. I would take Ford and his ideas of less government over the socialist menace that has had the Toronto taxpayer in it's talons for decades. They are going out kicking and screaming, but we need to make sure that they go. All of the "usual suspects" that are on the Obama bandwagon are on the "get Ford" bandwagon. Edited November 13, 2013 by Trimdingman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 He probably doesn't party any more than anyone else in office. Yes. I'm sure every elected official has done crack. Or not. Yeah. Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Yes. I'm sure every elected official has done crack. Or not. Yeah. Not. I've seen some hard partying politicians but damn that dude likes to get as shit faced as a college student at a frat party. Somewhere there are pictures of Mayor Ford passed out with dicks drawn on him in sharpie and beer cans piled over the rest if him. Those pics will go well with the crack house, and Neo Nazi ones already on the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 It's not ok, but it is not a deal-breaker, either. Lying to hundreds of millions of people about their health insurance is orders of magnitude worse than fibbing to avoid personal embarrassment. It is nobody's business if a person wants to vent in private, or among trusted friends. It is probably good therapy. What is worse is secretly recording someone's private actions and selling them to a communist newspaper, and that newspaper making them public. It is like taking up-skirt videos and putting them on the internet, or hiding a camera in someone's bathroom. Who is committing the bigger crime? Really, it's not a deal breaker for you? That's amazing to me. First, it is a crime to use or possess crack cocaine in Canada, unless I'm mistaken. Second, it shows horrible judgement for a public official to be getting wasted on the job. I can't imagine that you would be so charitable if Ford was a liberal. Please don't deflect with comments about Obama. That's not the subject here. There are plenty of places you can complain about him in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sorry Mark you don't get off that easy...we are talking about illegal drug use and you are quick to "school" us on the law...but you don't want to include barry who admits he used this illegal drug......that's what is known as hypocrisy....next you're going to tell us he didn't lie.....nice try...but a miss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Yes. I'm sure every elected official has done crack. Or not. Yeah. Not. Qualifications for recent elections, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewq4b Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 This situation with Rob Ford is rather reminiscent of another Canadian Politician Namely being Ralph Klein the former premiere of Alberta. In 2001 A very drunk Mr.Klein turned up at a homeless shelter, yelling and berating the homeless people there to get a job, threw a bunch of money at the residents and then staggered off. Unlike in the U.S most of our Politian's do not have handlers that go everywhere with them. The fall out was swift with Ralph Klein admitting to a drinking problem and apologizing for his actions. This could have been a real career ender for him especially after the cutting of nearly everything to the bone in the province from school funding to health care and privatizing anything that could be privatized just a few years earlier The incident was over quickly and buried and mostly forgotten. Mind you most of the media in Alberta at the time was either center (neutral) or a bit right leaning (or a bit left of center by U.S standards) But they for the most part just reported the news and left it at that. Unfortunately professional journalism seems to be dead. Journalists are supposed to be unbiased and report the news, not sensationalize it, both the left wing and the right wing new agencies equally guilty of this kind of thing. The populous also knew he was doing what needed to be done for the long term success of the province. Klein went on to win the next 2 elections . And it was under his leadership Alberta went for the highest per capita debt and one of the highest deficits in the nation to no deficit and eradicated the debt. And this was done when oil was still under $25 and under $20 a BBL for most of it. Like Rob Ford ,Ralph Klein was (he passed in March 2013) a human being and like all of us none are perfect. There have been many great if not fantastic leaders whose personal lives and conduct are or were a mess or less than perfect. Some being: JFK (Womanizer and prescription drug addict), Bill Clinton last president who actually had a balanced budget in the U.S (we all remember the cigar incident), FDR (multiple affairs) Ulysses Grant (notorious heavy drinker). Etc. etc. What Rob Ford has done in his personal life is no different or any worse than countless before him. What matters at the end of the day and the only measure to rule by is what kind of job is he doing. If the man is an ass he is an ass. But what kind of job is he doing for the city of Toronto ,if his extracurricular activities are affecting his ability to do the job then he should step aside and get help until he gets his feet back under him, that is the right thing to do. If not then he needs to practice more discretion with his personal activities. Ralph Klein was derided even hated during his last term before he retired (he was starting to suffer from dementia and it was affecting his ability to lead the province) even his own party turned against him. Now we wish we had an individual like him back in office, personal faults and all. Alberta has not had balanced budget since he left office despite having the highest provincial revenues in history, spending is out of control and service delivery is not much better (worse in some cases) than during the height of the cut backs in mid-late nineties yet we are spending 4 times as much in constant dollars. Yes Rob Ford may be the poster child for what not to do while in office. But what will his track record be like once all that is stripped away will Toronto be better off for having Rob Ford at the helm for the time he was/is, from my POV and many others he done a good job with a totally screwed up city. I know what the answer is for Alberta for having an alcoholic premier who was suffering from dementia in his later years. Ralph Klein’s legacy is not one of drunken stupors and berating the homeless, but building on the foundation for Alberta to become one of the most (if not the most) prosperous Province in the nation. Some news stories mentioning Ralphs little shelter incident. http://metronews.ca/voices/urban-compass-saskatoon/615991/ralph-klein-you-cant-fake-that-man-of-the-people-stuff/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/homeless-man-undeterred-by-ralph-kleins-slurred-rant/article588988/ Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Sorry Mark you don't get off that easy...we are talking about illegal drug use and you are quick to "school" us on the law...but you don't want to include barry who admits he used this illegal drug......that's what is known as hypocrisy....next you're going to tell us he didn't lie.....nice try...but a miss... Do you really want to compare Obama's drug use as a kid with Ford's drug use and drunken stupors as the Mayor? Come on Nap. Please be serious. The only difference between Obama's drug use in his youth and Bush 43 and Clinton is that Obama admitted it without reservation. That ability to do so was more an operation of how far we have come in American politics to where politicians don't have to pretend that they didn't inhale or make vague statements about prior bad behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Sorry Mark you don't get off that easy...we are talking about illegal drug use and you are quick to "school" us on the law...but you don't want to include barry who admits he used this illegal drug......that's what is known as hypocrisy....next you're going to tell us he didn't lie.....nice try...but a miss... Admitted past use not current use while in office. If Barry, as you like to refer to him, was hanging at a crack house while in one of many drunken stupors everyone would want him to resign. By the way, when did the president and you get on a first name basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Do you really want to compare Obama's drug use as a kid with Ford's drug use and drunken stupors as the Mayor? Come on Nap. Please be serious. The only difference between Obama's drug use in his youth and Bush 43 and Clinton is that Obama admitted it without reservation. That ability to do so was more an operation of how far we have come in American politics to where politicians don't have to pretend that they didn't inhale or make vague statements about prior bad behavior. Its too bad that noble admission (honesty) is now offset by lying to the entire population to pass something he personally desired and wanted. As a president he (Obama ) has taken zero responsibility for the many problems he or his administration created. Perhaps a case of selective honesty to obtain the office because there are more questions than answers for a lot of issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Its too bad that noble admission (honesty) is now offset by lying to the entire population to pass something he personally desired and wanted. As a president he (Obama ) has taken zero responsibility for the many problems he or his administration created. Perhaps a case of selective honesty to obtain the office because there are more questions than answers for a lot of issues. It's too bad that you have nothing to add about the mayor Ford situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) Even Ford is finding Ford too toxic and not just his blood work. http://jalopnik.com/ford-makes-wants-nothing-to-do-with-crack-smoking-mayor-1463943834/@maxread Edited November 14, 2013 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 This guy is W and Clinton all rolled into a big ass ball. Literally a big ass ball. http://gawker.com/rob-fords-st-patricks-day-half-a-bottle-of-vodka-an-1463923483 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Rob ford, lower approval ratings than Obama...LOL. Just one quarter (24%) of Torontonians believe Mayor Ford should ‘do as he says he will: stay in his job, not repeat any previous behaviour, get back to work because he loves his job and wants to fight for taxpayers and then let people decide in the 2014 election whether he stays on as mayor or goes. http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6315 What are the chances they called Trim and his relatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) I am in favor of little or no government. Government doesn't represent me. I like Rob Ford. Like any friend, I am not going to stop liking him because I find out that he is a party animal. I am not embarrassed by what he does because, as I said, government doesn't represent me. All I want from government is to leave me alone and stop stealing my money. Rob Ford wants the same thing. The drug situation is a creation of the government. Prohibition of drugs created a windfall for the criminal element, and a windfall for Big Government. It gives them an excuse to intrude in all of our lives. Organized crime wants drug laws to stay as they are. I am suspicious of any government official who says the same thing. Who is backing them? Surely organized crime is in their corner. When Prohibition was lifted on alcohol, organized crime took a hit. Joe Kennedy was a strong supporter of Prohibition because he was getting rich selling illegal booze. Government serves me best when it does nothing. I say dope the lot of them up. Edited November 14, 2013 by Trimdingman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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