Decker Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I think that specially refers to people who moved out of state/region. I haven't seen my committeeman yet to ask. Ok yes it does say "out of zone". But maybe with these people moving back to other facilities that will raise your opportunities to get back where you would like to be. I`m hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 We have some people from Michigan that would love to get back home. I really hope they get to get back home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I think that specially refers to people who moved out of state/region. I haven't seen my committeeman yet to ask. You are correct, it's for those who moved out of region. If you're a tier 2 before you vote yes you need to ask yourself why do GM tier 2s get 3 raises their first year and FMC's tier 2s don't.. This contract should be a No vote for you. Do you also realize that when you retire FMC doesn't offer you the option to get health insurance unlike legacy workers who are offered health insurance.. Vote No and see what FMC counters with, it paid off for the members of fca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ok yes it does say "out of zone". But maybe with these people moving back to other facilities that will raise your opportunities to get back where you would like to be. I`m hoping. I am where I would like to be. I'm hoping I stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 You are correct, it's for those who moved out of region. If you're a tier 2 before you vote yes you need to ask yourself why do GM tier 2s get 3 raises their first year and FMC's tier 2s don't.. This contract should be a No vote for you. Do you also realize that when you retire FMC doesn't offer you the option to get health insurance unlike legacy workers who are offered health insurance.. Vote No and see what FMC counters with, it paid off for the members of fca Where did you come up with that? The pay scale is the same.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Where did you come up with that? The pay scale is the same.... GM tier 2s get their first raise upon the. ratification of their contract and another one on April 4th,2016 and another one on Sept. 19th,2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 GM tier 2s get their first raise upon the. ratification of their contract and another one on April 4th,2016 and another one on Sept. 19th,2016Proof/link(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Proof/link(s)? Google search GM contract highlights and you will see it clear as day in the "Highlights" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ok I found it. While the pay raise thing is bullshit, I've come to terms with the fact that I'll never be able to retire comfortably no matter what happens, whether I work here or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ok I found it. While the pay raise thing is bullshit, I've come to terms with the fact that I'll never be able to retire comfortably no matter what happens, whether I work here or not. The difference in the tier 2 pay raises between FORD and GM should be enough reason for you to vote no. Think for a minute, if this contract didn't pass maybe that's one of the things FMC would change on their counter proposal, they might not but it's worth a shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflep1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) And with the $1500 from our profit sharing rolled up into the signing bonus, we can't put that money in TESPHE. Screw that. That's a no vote for me, no matter what else is in the contract. The highlights say lump sum bonuses not just profit sharing, CAN now be put into TESPHE. So the 8,500 signing bonus and the 1,500 pull ahead profit sharing can both be put into TESPHE. This is a nice addition! I didn't think they'd get that in negotiations. Page 14 of 28 (19i) Edited November 10, 2015 by deflep1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi-lo feva2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Hey its in there.. Language to go back I. Fyi... I got the white book.. Looks like little bit of money but u must sign up within 30 days of ratificationI think they got this right, especially for the families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 The difference in the tier 2 pay raises between FORD and GM should be enough reason for you to vote no. Think for a minute, if this contract didn't pass maybe that's one of the things FMC would change on their counter proposal, they might not but it's worth a shot. A fucking men! By the end of the contract you are looking at a 2 dollar difference for most people. I liked that their's has dates and doesn't run off your stupid hire date. As a tier 2 worker listening to all the legacy guys saying they liked it and how great Christmas was going to be and how thrilled they were at 8500. I knew then this shitastic FCA payscale is my future. I was really hoping for GM's payscale. I was hoping for a better raise for legacy workers like 10% over the contract, maybe some type of increase to your pensions, not the pension fund but X amount per month for you when you retire. That contract is seriously deflating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Vote Yes! Don't mess it Up! I'm canceling your yes with my no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm canceling your yes with my no. I'll cancel your no with my yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Everyone can sign up to go to another plant!!! You sign today , you go tomorrow, got a temp ready to take your place for the next 30 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 The highlights say lump sum bonuses not just profit sharing, CAN now be put into TESPHE. So the 8,500 signing bonus and the 1,500 pull ahead profit sharing can both be put into TESPHE. This is a nice addition! I didn't think they'd get that in negotiations. Page 14 of 28 (19i) My TESPHE is already maxed out for the year. Does me no good. I've calmed down about it. I don't like the pull ahead. I don't know how I'm going to vote, but I won't vote no for this single thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'll cancel your no with my yes. If you're a tier2 and vote yes on this contract u truly have shit for brains 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 If you're a tier2 and vote yes on this contract u truly have shit for brains If you're a legacy member and vote no, then you're a greedy bastard who the public would offer no sympathy to while you're standing by your barrel of fire on the picket line. This is a fair contract for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 A fucking men! By the end of the contract you are looking at a 2 dollar difference for most people. I liked that their's has dates and doesn't run off your stupid hire date. As a tier 2 worker listening to all the legacy guys saying they liked it and how great Christmas was going to be and how thrilled they were at 8500. I knew then this shitastic FCA payscale is my future. I was really hoping for GM's payscale. I was hoping for a better raise for legacy workers like 10% over the contract, maybe some type of increase to your pensions, not the pension fund but X amount per month for you when you retire. That contract is seriously deflating. The shitastic payscale doesn't have to be your future if you quit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptObvious Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 fyi does anyone see how they are changing the apprenticeship and eliminating a trade ?(powerhouse mech) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I love my process coach, he gives me a lot of warm gooey stuff on my face, it's great I can't get enough. He said if I vote yes he will let me blow the process coach from the next line too! Company til I die of homosexually contracted AIDS! Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 If you're a legacy member and vote no, then you're a greedy bastard who the public would offer no sympathy to while you're standing by your barrel of fire on the picket line. This is a fair contract for everyone. With that comment you must be management and not hourly. There's more to gain by voting No then by voting Yes. Look at how much a better deal the members of FCA got by voting down their first contract proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 fyi does anyone see how they are changing the apprenticeship and eliminating a trade ?(powerhouse mech) They want ALL trades gone, that's obvious. It's their way of eventually outsourcing ALL Skilled Trades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 With that comment you must be management and not hourly. There's more to gain by voting No then by voting Yes. Look at how much a better deal the members of FCA got by voting down their first contract proposal. That's because the first FCA contract was garbage and they were hoping to sneak it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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