littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2015/11/11/undocumented-immigrants-humana-insurance.html?ana=yahoo Don't end up having to go look for work in another country and become an illegal citizen! It would be a big headache to go look for work in Mexico and your not a Citizen of Mexico!! Imagine working that assembly line in Mexico and you don't speak English, you could not talk to your co workers about issues, you would sit alone at break, you would be talked about in another language, you would have to walk to work cause you could not get a drivers license due to your illegal status, you would always be looking over your shoulder wondering when you were gonna be deported back to the US, you would have to pay the ridiculous price of postage to send your money home so your family could live, you would always wonder if when you came back to the US to visit your family if you would be able to cross back across the border to Mexico without getting caught so you would not Miss work and get an AWOL! Do the right thing for your family, Vote YES!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) ,,......,and why some of us that want long term gains and not pocket cash will vote "no". Cut / Paste~ This post is from one of our brothers on the bargaining committee at Dearborn Assembly:Ford contract -- If we don’t get it back now, when will we ever get it?The Ford contract is basically the same as the GM and Chrysler contracts, with slightly more bonus money. It does not repay us for all the concessions we have given up. It does not even bring us back to the standard of living we were at before the concessions started.Does not bring back yearly raises and COLA. This contract has 2 raises of 3% and 2 lump sum bonuses, plus other bonuses. But the standard UAW contract used to be a 3% raise every year, plus COLA (cost-of-living) and profit-sharing. Bonuses instead of raises mean less money in the long run.Does not end 2-tier. It will take 8 years to get to 1st tier, but it is a 4-year contract. People used to get to 1st-tier pay in 3 years or less, why not now? Even those who get to 1st-tier pay still don’t get a pension. They’re still 2nd-tier. This contract creates more tiers – lower pay for temporary workers and workers at Sterling, Rawsonville and Woodhaven.Does not protect permanent jobs. The contract allows the company to hire many more temporary workers, at low pay and few benefits. They can be used for daily absentee replacements, as well as other reasons. They could amount to 10% or more of the workforce, taking away permanent jobs.Does not protect pensions. There is no raise for retirees. It used to be that every contract would increase pensions a little to account for inflation. Plus retirees need help more than ever, since they are paying more out of pocket for health care, due to the VEBA. The pension increases stopped and the VEBA started during the concessions, but the concessions are supposed to be over, aren’t they???Does not protect health care. The contract leaves the door open for changes that could limit our choices or increase our costs. The letter on Alternative Plans allows changes to our health care coverage after the contract is ratified.Does not improve working conditions. We used to have more break time. Maximum schedule used to be 10 hours per day, with overtime after 8. We lost those things with the concessions and alternative work schedules. We are getting none of those things back. Plus, they are increasing the number of mandatory Super Days for 3 Crew from 6 to 9.Where does this contract leave us? Yes, there is more money than in the last contract. But the legacy workers are still not nearly back to what we had before. The 2nd-tier workers are facing a future living worse off than their parents. Why can’t we get back to the pay and benefits we used to have? Don’t tell us the company can’t afford it! Why should we vote Yes on this contract?In 2011, Ford workers were threatened by the top union leadership that if we voted No, they would put us out on strike and we would get less. That was nothing but extortion. Ford has record sales and is making record profits. We have power over the company right now. There is no reason we can’t get what we need. We should get it now!That’s why I believe we should vote No!Gary Walkowicz Bargaining Committeeman, Dearborn Truck Plantgwalk32@att.net (313) 737-3166 labor donated 11/10/2015 Edited November 12, 2015 by cal50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 So you're another one of Gary's stooges, him & his stooges posted all kinds of crap in 2011 & guess what his home plant voted a big fat Yes to it. Don't be blinded by the socialist, VOTE YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 ,,......,and why some of us that want long term gains and not pocket cash will vote "no". Cut / Paste~ This post is from one of our brothers on the bargaining committee at Dearborn Assembly: Ford contract -- If we dont get it back now, when will we ever get it? The Ford contract is basically the same as the GM and Chrysler contracts, with slightly more bonus money. It does not repay us for all the concessions we have given up. It does not even bring us back to the standard of living we were at before the concessions started. Does not bring back yearly raises and COLA. This contract has 2 raises of 3% and 2 lump sum bonuses, plus other bonuses. But the standard UAW contract used to be a 3% raise every year, plus COLA (cost-of-living) and profit-sharing. Bonuses instead of raises mean less money in the long run. Does not end 2-tier. It will take 8 years to get to 1st tier, but it is a 4-year contract. People used to get to 1st-tier pay in 3 years or less, why not now? Even those who get to 1st-tier pay still dont get a pension. Theyre still 2nd-tier. This contract creates more tiers lower pay for temporary workers and workers at Sterling, Rawsonville and Woodhaven. Does not protect permanent jobs. The contract allows the company to hire many more temporary workers, at low pay and few benefits. They can be used for daily absentee replacements, as well as other reasons. They could amount to 10% or more of the workforce, taking away permanent jobs. Does not protect pensions. There is no raise for retirees. It used to be that every contract would increase pensions a little to account for inflation. Plus retirees need help more than ever, since they are paying more out of pocket for health care, due to the VEBA. The pension increases stopped and the VEBA started during the concessions, but the concessions are supposed to be over, arent they??? Does not protect health care. The contract leaves the door open for changes that could limit our choices or increase our costs. The letter on Alternative Plans allows changes to our health care coverage after the contract is ratified. Does not improve working conditions. We used to have more break time. Maximum schedule used to be 10 hours per day, with overtime after 8. We lost those things with the concessions and alternative work schedules. We are getting none of those things back. Plus, they are increasing the number of mandatory Super Days for 3 Crew from 6 to 9. Where does this contract leave us? Yes, there is more money than in the last contract. But the legacy workers are still not nearly back to what we had before. The 2nd-tier workers are facing a future living worse off than their parents. Why cant we get back to the pay and benefits we used to have? Dont tell us the company cant afford it! Why should we vote Yes on this contract? In 2011, Ford workers were threatened by the top union leadership that if we voted No, they would put us out on strike and we would get less. That was nothing but extortion. Ford has record sales and is making record profits. We have power over the company right now. There is no reason we cant get what we need. We should get it now! Thats why I believe we should vote No! Gary Walkowicz Bargaining Committeeman, Dearborn Truck Plant gwalk32@att.net (313) 737-3166 labor donated 11/10/2015 That's propaganda! See your voting No based on what somebody else believes! Please vote on what You believe, don't be brainwashed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 UAW-FCA members sent the parties back to the table. Do you not think the more profitable UAW-Ford parties wouldn't sweeten the deal if we turned down their first offer? Now wouldn't that p*ss off GM workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Progression of 8 years is a path there was not one before. All people said was look at the CAW at least they have a path well now the UAW has one too and people still cry. No matter whats in the contract some of you people will always vote no because you're never happy, I guess your life sucks. Thank god majority don't think like you all VOTE YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 We are negotiating like it's 2009, not 2015. I really think we should be fully restored to pre-concession, single tier, benefits levels. The industry and Ford are no longer gasping for air. We should get back what we've conceeded since 2004. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 2 tier will never get a pension, I wish they offered 401k contributions when I hired in, I'd much rather have than rely on a stupid pension that I probably won't get anymore when I'm 80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 So you're another one of Gary's stooges, him & his stooges posted all kinds of crap in 2011 & guess what his home plant voted a big fat Yes to it. Don't be blinded by the socialist, VOTE YES You mean the communist. A little socialism isn't a terrible thing but he's a fucking commie. As much as I dislike his nonsense he does have a point. Company has made tons of money and they will have to spend more and update plants and products to do it. So voting no will not cause any adverse effect on Ford's investments, it will only get a little more tossed out way. We won't get much but we won't lose anything that was in the first offer either. Sorry but the pay scale at a dollar and sometimes a dollar fifty per year sucks balls for tier 2, and the two three percent raises for legacy is pure garbage. Send them back for another go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) This should be a yes vote. They are investing 9 billion in US plants, which will create much needed well paying jobs. Everyone is getting raises, profit share is now uncapped, insurance is left alone for Tier 1 and improved for Tier 2. Relocation benefits are added for Tier 2. If you're Tier 1 and vote no...you are living in a fantasy world. If you're Tier 2 and vote no you need to have a foot put up your ass. Edited November 12, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 This should be a yes vote. They are investing 9 billion in US plants, which will create much needed well paying jobs. Everyone is getting raises, profit share is now uncapped, insurance is left alone for Tier 1 and improved for Tier 2. Relocation benefits are added for Tier 2. If your Tier 1 and vote no...you are living in a fantasy world. If your Tier 2 and vote no you need to have a foot put up your ass. You're a fucking moron. If you think Ford isn't making those investments regardless of this contract you're an idiot. You're also pissing on the workers coming behind you. I'm happy with the 8 year plan and just about everything else. Three raises first year for "in progression" same as GM's. I don't expect top pay in 3-4 years like most idiots are screaming for, that's not realistic. Front loading that deal to hit 20+ in the first three years though isn't breaking the bank and still keeps people a long way from traditional wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 We are negotiating like it's 2009, not 2015. I really think we should be fully restored to pre-concession, single tier, benefits levels. The industry and Ford are no longer gasping for air. We should get back what we've conceeded since 2004. How do you know Ford is not gasping for air!!! Never judge a book by its cover! Vote Yes, help ford and all of us survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) You're a fucking moron. If you think Ford isn't making those investments regardless of this contract you're an idiot. You're also pissing on the workers coming behind you. I'm happy with the 8 year plan and just about everything else. Three raises first year for "in progression" same as GM's. I don't expect top pay in 3-4 years like most idiots are screaming for, that's not realistic. Front loading that deal to hit 20+ in the first three years though isn't breaking the bank and still keeps people a long way from traditional wages. You sure they're making those investments here? Vote no and try to drive labor cost higher and watch how fast those investments go to Mexico. Edited November 12, 2015 by Tier2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Tier 2, YOU know damned well those investments are happening. In YOUR own plant, they are saying 1.9 Billion dollars. 3/4 of that work is already done, and has been being worked on for more than a year. They just saved the announcement till contract time to make it LOOK like they were doing something new. As previously stated....those commitments were made the same as everything else Ford plans...YEARS in advance. It would be shear stupidity to even think otherwise. This contract is a JOKE. Were are the concessions we gave up? Where is the equal pay for equal work? Were is the ELLIMNATION of tiers (Nope, they ADDED tiers) WE CAN DO BETTER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) That's propaganda! See your voting No based on what somebody else believes! Please vote on what You believe, don't be brainwashed! What I posted does hit on some legit issues which I happen agree with and I have my own reasons as well. If you happen to like the offer then good for you and cast your vote. The spamming and constant droning to vote "yes" just makes you look desperate and foolish. Edited November 12, 2015 by cal50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 A little socialism isn't a terrible thing I stopped reading there. If you like socialism, move to Venezuela. It doesn't belong in the U.S.A. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) How do you know Ford is not gasping for air!!! Never judge a book by its cover! Vote Yes, help ford and all of us survive Some of us read and follow the news. Some don't. Let the reader decide.Ford just announced all time record earnings, at 3rd Quarter reporting bringing in more in 3 quarters than all of 2014. They can't lie to shareholders regarding past performance. Future performance is only "guidance". Back to you. Edited November 12, 2015 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) I stopped reading there. If you like socialism, move to Venezuela. It doesn't belong in the U.S.A.I am always suspicious of those who are from another country or propose we become like another country, but why are they coming here or not moving there? Edited November 12, 2015 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I stopped reading there. If you like socialism, move to Venezuela. It doesn't belong in the U.S.A. Funny how the ones that advocate most for socialism and communism want it applied to everything but their own paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Funny how the ones that advocate most for socialism and communism want it applied to everything but their own paycheck.It makes them "FEEL GOOD" to be generous with other peoples money.If we can't all be rich together, let's all be poor together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Funny how the ones that advocate most for socialism and communism want it applied to everything but their own paycheck.How many former USSR want to bring back that system? Only those who had the power and influence to avoid living in the aftereffects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I stopped reading there. If you like socialism, move to Venezuela. It doesn't belong in the U.S.A. I said a little. Full on socialism isn't possible for the U.S. But there are a couple aspects of it that wouldn't hurt. Making the government accountable for infastructure would be one of them. This is our country and somethings need to be kept up better for all of us. Roads, bridges, water systems, etc. We need better service from our public sector, if you can't agree with that you're an idiot. The Feds could keep some of taxes at the end of the year if I knew they would actually fix shit with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Fixing roads with tax dollars has nothing to do with socialism. And you call me the idiot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hee haw Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I said a little. Full on socialism isn't possible for the U.S. But there are a couple aspects of it that wouldn't hurt. Making the government accountable for infastructure would be one of them. This is our country and somethings need to be kept up better for all of us. Roads, bridges, water systems, etc. We need better service from our public sector, if you can't agree with that you're an idiot. The Feds could keep some of taxes at the end of the year if I knew they would actually fix shit with it. A little socialism is like being a little pregnant, it only gets bigger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 A little socialism is like being a little pregnant, it only gets bigger Ha. Fair enough, I still think we need more accountability for the public sector and nothing has worked out for that so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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