F350 vs F250 with high capacity tow package

[Gadgetwiz]

I’m torn between the F250 with the high capacity tow package and the F-350. 
 

I don’t see any capacity differences, but I feel like the F-350 would offer better resell value, but it costs about $940 more. 
 

I don’t really understand what the difference is, and I was hoping somebody could explain it to me. 
 

thanks. 

 

Edit: After a ton of research, I've discovered that the Tremor diesel 250 and 350 are EXACTLY the same except for the badge, sticker, and price ($965 more for me). Now I'm trying to decide if the sticker is worth $965 for me.

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Gadgetwiz

[road turtle]

the biggest difference is the helper spring which provided more payload capacity.  There may be other differences, including the receiver size too.

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

1 hour ago, Gadgetwiz said:

I’m torn between the F250 with the high capacity tow package and the F-350. 
 

I don’t see any capacity differences, but I feel like the F-350 would offer better resell value, but it costs about $940 more. 
 

I don’t really understand what the difference is, and I was hoping somebody could explain it to me. 
 

 Some differences in towing but more differences in cargo.

 

In some configurations the high tow capacity in the F250 really Cuts back on the cargo capacity of that same truck. Where if you cross reference the same truck but in an F-350 and then look at that cargo rating you see it can be a thousand to 1500 lbs more. (Legally)

Edited November 2, 2021 by IUEC135ELEVATOR

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

Want to see you something that'll totally throw you for a loop... check out the numbers for payload and towing for the F-150.

[Gadgetwiz]

On 11/1/2021 at 7:44 PM, IUEC135ELEVATOR said:

 Some differences in towing but more differences in cargo.

 

 

I forgot to mention that I ordered the Tremor package with a Diesel engine.

 

The tables are extremely confusing when you add that little feature.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Gadgetwiz

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

 I always wondered this about the towing capacity on the F-250 and F-350.

 

You can get an F250 with the same towing capacity as an F350, let's say 19/20k.

 

But the cargo capacity could be 1000 to 1500 lbs less.

 

Wonder how that plays out when buying fifth wheels you will have to be mindful of the hitch weight even though you have towing capacity to spare.

 

With the F-350 the towing capacity somewhat coincides with the cargo capacity. With the max trailer tow package on the 250 the towing capacity is way up there but the cargo capacity seems to take any huge hit.

 

 

For example.

 

250 max tow crew/super 4x4..

Cargo is 2200-2600

Conv trailer 20k

5th/goose 17k

 

350 7.3 crew/super 4x4

Cargo is 3500-4000

Conv trailer 15k

5th goose 20k

Edited November 4, 2021 by IUEC135ELEVATOR

[road turtle]

On 11/4/2021 at 6:49 PM, Mbrooks44 said:

If you want a 5th wheel, always go 350. If you are looking at a big 5th wheel, go dually. I went 450, which had a lower payload than a 350, but has some beefed up parts. 

Wife vetoed dually, which is ok, because we had ordered a smaller 5th wheel anyway.  Before we ordered the 5th wheel, we went to Tampa RV show, and I told her if you need the washer/dryer and an island kitchen, then we'll could get blocked out of some state or federal parks, and you'll be driving a dually...

 

If we were getting a dually, it absolutely would have been a 450.  The F350 CCLB is a bitch to park.

[nswan]

I ordered the F250 Lariat, 4x4, CCSB 160”,  3.55, High Tow Capacity, 18” A/T tires. With that configuration, my 5th Wheel Towing Capacity is 19,100 lb. according to the order guide.
 

Looking at the Rogue Armored toy haulers, and the UVW is 12,764 lb. Fully loaded, the GVWR is 16,685 lb. 

 

Same set up in an F350, 5th Wheel Towing jumps up to 21,900 lb. So for $555 more, I could have gotten an extra 2,800 lb of 5th wheel towing capacity. 
 

Other than potential buyer’s remorse, should I have any concerns from a functional standpoint?

On 11/4/2021 at 6:49 PM, Mbrooks44 said:

If you want a 5th wheel, always go 350. If you are looking at a big 5th wheel, go dually. I went 450, which had a lower payload than a 350, but has some beefed up parts. 

 

[nswan]

14 minutes ago, Mbrooks44 said:

Look at the pin weight on the trailer. The specs on my trailer said 2,500 pin weight, in actuality it was 3600. I have it on a 350 and it squats. The 250 and 350 can tow a lot but the payload will be different. I assume you have a gasser which may help since the diesel is so heavy. I always suggest a 350 for a 5th wheel. I have a 450 on order. 

Thanks. Says hitch (pin) weight is 2,685 lb for this trailer I’m looking at. I didn’t order the gasser, it’s the 6.7 diesel. How is the pin weight applied to the truck from a physics stand point?

[nswan]

52 minutes ago, Mbrooks44 said:

Look at the pin weight on the trailer. The specs on my trailer said 2,500 pin weight, in actuality it was 3600. I have it on a 350 and it squats. The 250 and 350 can tow a lot but the payload will be different. I assume you have a gasser which may help since the diesel is so heavy. I always suggest a 350 for a 5th wheel. I have a 450 on order. 

Figured it out actually. Thanks for the heads up!

[Rangers09]

1 hour ago, nswan said:

Thanks. Says hitch (pin) weight is 2,685 lb for this trailer I’m looking at. I didn’t order the gasser, it’s the 6.7 diesel. How is the pin weight applied to the truck from a physics stand point?

 

For a 5'er with a GVWR of 16,685 lbs that is a low pin weight, so I'm assuming that is the as delivered pin weight. You can expect the pin weight to be 20 - 25% of the GVW.

 

We tow a 41' 5'er, with a GVWR of 16,500 lbs. Depending on how we load, especially the 110 gal FW tank, our pin weight varies from 3,000 lbs to 4,500 lbs. The pin weight + weight of the hitch is the weight that is applied to the truck.

 

When I had an F-350 SRW, I had to keep the FW tank empty to keep the pin weight below 3,050 lbs. With everything else in the truck, this brought me up to the truck's max payload. When I upgraded to a F-350 dually, I could travel with full water as even with a pin weight of 4,500 lbs, I had lots of payload to spare.

 

In addition to towing limits, you need to consider the pin weight + hitch weight and the truck's available payload. With similar weight 5'ers, I maxed out a F-350 SRW, so not sure a F-250 will have sufficient payload without managing your pin weight closely. The other factor to consider is the Gross Combined - GCVWR, or the weight of the truck & 5'er.

 

I am also trading up to a F-450. Although it has less payload than my F-350 DRW, it is better suited to towing heavy trailers.

[nswan]

4 hours ago, Rangers09 said:

 

For a 5'er with a GVWR of 16,685 lbs that is a low pin weight, so I'm assuming that is the as delivered pin weight. You can expect the pin weight to be 20 - 25% of the GVW.

 

We tow a 41' 5'er, with a GVWR of 16,500 lbs. Depending on how we load, especially the 110 gal FW tank, our pin weight varies from 3,000 lbs to 4,500 lbs. The pin weight + weight of the hitch is the weight that is applied to the truck.

 

When I had an F-350 SRW, I had to keep the FW tank empty to keep the pin weight below 3,050 lbs. With everything else in the truck, this brought me up to the truck's max payload. When I upgraded to a F-350 dually, I could travel with full water as even with a pin weight of 4,500 lbs, I had lots of payload to spare.

 

In addition to towing limits, you need to consider the pin weight + hitch weight and the truck's available payload. With similar weight 5'ers, I maxed out a F-350 SRW, so not sure a F-250 will have sufficient payload without managing your pin weight closely. The other factor to consider is the Gross Combined - GCVWR, or the weight of the truck & 5'er.

 

I am also trading up to a F-450. Although it has less payload than my F-350 DRW, it is better suited to towing heavy trailers.

My GVWR will be 10,800 lb from the factory. I’ll need to get a 5’er toy hauler less than 43 feet, probably in the 35 ft range, with a lower pin weight than the 2,600 lb I was mentioning in my previous post. I think the F250 can handle 5’er just need to temper my expectations. Thanks for the insight!

[road turtle]

I HATE that people focus just on trailer GVWR and not on payload capacity.  It's a bigger deal on 1/2T trucks, but I'd suggest whether it's 1/2T or 3/4T or even 1T, payload is always the limiting factor.

[Rangers09]

47 minutes ago, nswan said:

My GVWR will be 10,800 lb from the factory. I’ll need to get a 5’er toy hauler less than 43 feet, probably in the 35 ft range, with a lower pin weight than the 2,600 lb I was mentioning in my previous post. I think the F250 can handle 5’er just need to temper my expectations. Thanks for the insight!

 

F-250 6.7 CCSB with GVWR of 10,800 lbs - your payload should be about 3,000 lbs.

 

If it isn't yet built, do you still have the option to cancel and re-order, as a F-350 provides more options for 5'ers. I believe Ice-Capades recently posted that you can't simply change from F-250 to F-350, it requires a new order.

 

Good luck

Edited November 16, 2021 by Rangers09

[nswan]

 

20 minutes ago, Rangers09 said:

 

F-250 6.7 CCSB with GVWR of 10,800 lbs - your payload should be about 3,000 lbs.

 

If it isn't yet built, do you still have the option to cancel and re-order, as a F-350 provides more options for 5'ers. I believe Ice-Capades recently posted that you can't simply change from F-250 to F-350, it requires a new order.

 

Good luck

It would require a brand new order. You’re about right on the 3000 lb payload, probably a conservative assumption after all the options are installed. Going up to an F350, you get into 11,400 GVWR on the SWD, so another 1,400 lb of payload (give or take) over the F250. I’m stumped… 3,000 lb is a ton and a half, and I’m pretty sure there are plenty of toy haulers out there that will meet my needs in that weight range. My truck isn’t built yet, but I’m wishing I would have known what I know now when I ordered it.

[nswan]

58 minutes ago, road turtle said:

I HATE that people focus just on trailer GVWR and not on payload capacity.  It's a bigger deal on 1/2T trucks, but I'd suggest whether it's 1/2T or 3/4T or even 1T, payload is always the limiting factor.

Payload is factored into this conversation.

[Oldfordguy]

My F350 SRW lb 6.7 has a load capacity of 4174#

[nswan]

 

14 minutes ago, Oldfordguy said:

My F350 SRW lb 6.7 has a load capacity of 4174#

It’s tempted to cancel my F250 order and get the extra 1000 lb of payload by switching to F350. I ordered on 7-19 and changing now would obviously set me back, and likely irritate the dealer. Not sure what to do.

Edited November 16, 2021 by nswan

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

18 minutes ago, Oldfordguy said:

My F350 SRW lb 6.7 has a load capacity of 4174#

How did you get that? Looking at the chart the only way you can get 3900 with a 6.7 in cargo is by going with a regular cab and it's all downhill from there.

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by IUEC135ELEVATOR

[Oldfordguy]

Mine is F350 crew cab 8’ bed 6.7 4x4. I have a picture of the door tag with loading info but don’t know how to get it on here.

[nswan]

22 minutes ago, IUEC135ELEVATOR said:

How did you get that? Looking at the chart the only way you can get 3900 with a 6.7 in cargo is by going with a regular cab and it's all downhill from there.

 

 

 

Go to https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f350-lariat/

Scroll to the Payload section of the Specifications table. F350 6.7 4x4 8ft bed 11400 GVWR shows 4320 lb payload.

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

52 minutes ago, nswan said:

Go to https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f350-lariat/

Scroll to the Payload section of the Specifications table. F350 6.7 4x4 8ft bed 11400 GVWR shows 4320 lb payload.

I see! These charts greatly differ from one another, on the chart I posted my Max cargo srw f350/4x4/cc/LB/7.3 is 3950 or something like that, by running it the same way off the link(you posted) directly from Ford I'm at 4700. 

 

Now I'm curious which one is correct, time to go look at the door sticker.

Edited November 16, 2021 by IUEC135ELEVATOR

[sjmcken81]

Door sticker is your answer always…GVWR less options 

[IUEC135ELEVATOR]

38 minutes ago, sjmcken81 said:

Door sticker is your answer always…GVWR less options 

Lol...well neither one of them were correct.

 

According this my truck should weigh exactly 7461 lbs.

 

Going to take it to the truck scale and see how close it is.

 

4439 - 478 (me 190 and fuel 288)

Brings it to 3961.

 

the brochure chart I posted says 3952.... if you figure in a 200 lb man it is spot-on.

 

So I say the website chart is off but the brochure chart is accurate

Edited November 16, 2021 by IUEC135ELEVATOR

[sjmcken81]

That’s an awesome payload, congrats.  You can pull most any pin weight