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I would guess that Vauxhall is not needed as it is just Opel with a different name, so just rename it Opel. DS is pointless and they could do without Lancia, although they are trying to rebuild that brand now.

Agreed. Dodge would be on probation, but at least they do have concrete future product shown for that brand. The quick change of heart for the Airflow and then saying it will be another product while showing some concept car does not bode well for Chrysler. I believe in that case the decision has been made and this announcement is to brace investors so it isn't a total shock. Any more failure of the Charger and future CUV for Dodge will be the last straw for them. They will not let anything else fail like the Hornet without repercussions.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a61698131/stellantis-ceo-threatens-to-drop-unprofitable-brands/?utm_campaign=trueanthemR%26T&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawEPjDBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVJrNKmad3eaDI3U8cgsJlMKwjX03OVXh0v9fO4kPI3SLirGGSPAh8lZfg_aem_HHm4LbKikWxLDvk101ba_g Earlier this month Stellantis said it could sell the rights to use the brand names of discontinued brands such as Autobianchi, and Innocenti to China. Could they also be considering offers for brands that exist which may have prompted today's news? I'm guessing the brands on the line are Chrysler, Chrysler,Chrysler, DS, Chrysler,Chrysler, Vauxhall and Chrysler.

Love the car! Hate the name. Call it an Eldorado as it is the spiritual successor to it.

I'll make catsup then...

I'm scratching my head over the -1 year to date sale of a Chrysler 200. They unsold a car that has been discontinued for six years? Is it going to be sold to someone else later?

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I guess I'm in the minority. I like it.

It's not bad at all, but for the life of me, I don't understand why they didn't draw inspiration from the last generation of RWD European Escorts or maybe from the first front wheel drive generation as it would have much better fit the "suv coupe" profile and were popular cars.

They should strive to get as much margin as possible out of a small car, but I feel it is also important to realize that they won't make as much of a percentage of a profit as a large car. The lower priced car is important as an ambassador to a brand to a first time buyer. If it is built correctly and with quality, then that buyer will come back and buy higher priced cars and keep buying the brand. Toyota and Honda managed this flawlessly and Hyundai has accomplished this as well.

I remember when Enclave was first introduced, it was more than half of the Buick sales and a big hit for them. Now it is being outsold by the Corvette. Lyriq sales are impressive!

But in that case, it was a European company buying out an American one, so that puts them in charge. They have every right to make that choice as if they didn't buy them, Chrysler would have probably been liquidated.

I was disappointed they didn't keep an investment in Rivian and that the Lincoln that they were developing together never saw the light of day. Lucid will never happen. Sedans are to Ford what crosses are to vampires. Besides you'd have the Saudi royal family to deal with.

Hmmm, could VW's "Scout" brand may be getting a few new models out of this arrangement?

Early Escapes, and Rangers are trucks I regularly see with 200k+ miles. A family friend has 3 Escapes with over 250k with a hybrid approaching 300k.

The joke I always make when someone asks me if they should buy one is that even the manufacturer put the word Dodge on it, so listen to them.

Then again, Toyota still makes a minivan. Ford does not.

I could never see that happening. Fiat and PSA fought tooth and nail to get back into the North American market. They got a huge discount ticket by getting a company that specializes in the exact product this market likes (Trucks, SUVs and CUVs) and they didn't even have to do much to develop them. To get back on track, they need to get to more reasonable prices and products for cash strapped consumers. I could see them giving up on Chrysler right now, Dodge too if the new Charger isn't accepted in the market and fails like the Hornet. I also think that the entire American managerial staff and white collar employees being let go and the entire company being European run exclusively.

Market share from 14.7 in 2015 percent to 13. Also we discuss constantly about cutting costs for short term profit, but over the long haul causing more loss with recalls and quality problems. There has been points that Ford concentrates on more profitable models, but that let them to having a glut of overly expensive products sitting on lots for too many days. Also look at Ford pulling out of markets over the globe. They are making their worldwide presence smaller. Toyota doesn't do any of this for the most part. They increase market share, stay in markets across the globe, add products without abandoning old ones, and no one can argue that they are a stronger, more profitable company. There is no shame in stating Ford's shortcomings, as long as they can learn and grow. The new products Ford added are nice, but the question on the topic is if Ford should leave China, which I say they should not. They should learn and adapt and not run away, because pulling out of markets will make then too small and unable to adapt. If they retreat to just a few markets, the competitors they ran from will eventually come here on the home turf and set up shop.

Other than Lincoln, I think Ford and all American companies should get out of the retreat mindset and stop trying to cut their way to prosperity. There is a reason why Toyota has so much success and it's not because they run away from a problem screaming every time something goes bad. They learn, improve and move forward instead of cut product, retreat from markets, and make things cheaper quality to pad profit.

I think that GM's partner, SIAC would probably buy the Buick brand from them and it would disappear from the USA, but would revive in China as it would be in Chinese hands. This is what happened with MG from the UK. Lincoln would absolutely die. Maybe it would be a trim level for Ford, but If I were running Ford, I'd seriously consider pulling the plug on Lincoln.

I do understand they're different sizes. Some brands aren't cut out to sell a vehicle to compete with Tahoe/Suburban or Expedition. Jeep has a seven seat GC and more customers who shop Jeep may be more happy with that. Jeep is choking on product that is too expensive, and I think they really need to reevaluate the need to produce the Wagoneer as it is. Hyundai also could develop a utility to compete with Tahoe but their customer base also won't bite and will be happy being served by the 7 seat Palisade.

Maybe that Wagoner doesn't have a future and is a one generation model. They pretty much can serve that customer base with the 7 seat Grand Cherokee.

So is the current Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer going to become the Grand Wgoneer and this is the Wagoneer without the "Grand?"

There was also HEMISBC who talked about Chrysler nonstop and the Jellymould guy who talked about the Cortina nonstop.