Harry Bennet

Why doesn't the UAW take GM stock for the VEBA? If the UAW doesn't value GM stock then why should Wall Street? If the UAW says no, its the end of GM

For once I agree -NOBODY stands up for the actual people who put together engines and trucks. The CO. don't care and Solidarity house is more interested in Casino workers 'We're not Bankers' is a horrible counter measure - After I read it, my very next thought was, 'yeah bankers only make $25 an hour' 'tough as steel' is much better But what really turns people against the UAW and the Detroit Big 3 is EVERYONE has a story about a bad car or truck Maybe some stories about workers fixing cars before they leave the factory or saving the company money by reducing work-- instead of some story of a drunk chairman or some worker's 8th trip to rehab

-- yes -- we have a whole factory that makes nothing but lemons HA HA HA Go UNION!!! HA HA HA

Because I work at Ford. I just get my KoolAid from a different fountain

Sooooo. . Saving GM is a waste of the UAW's money? the UAW has better use of the rank-and-files' money than saving GM? like what? organizing more casinos and graduate students?

File under: Put yer $$$ where your mouth is. If the SOLIDARITY House wants to save GM, let Gettelfinger throw in the strikefund!! Is there going to be a strike? no so let the UAW save GM If the UAW thinks GM won't pay them back, then they should hold onto the strike money DARE YA

Of course I disagree. The US taxpayers on the 2 coasts and the South don't care about the UAW or Detroit. The USA, outside of the Rustbelt, know the UAW is a place where people who can't read or pass a drug test get $29/hr with no co-pays. The Big 3/UAW worker makes about the same as a cop, a teacher, or a nurse. In California, NO ONE would pay a roofer $29/hr and that's how they see the UAW - just manual labor. When Gettelfinger says the UAW won't budge, its just MORE BAD press for the UAW. The taxpayers will get in their Camrys and Accords and drive away

the perfect bail-out would be for the detroit 3 to be merged together, renamed UAW, and use ALL the VEBA money to run the new auto company I am sure that the UAW can design, build, and market better cars than Chrysler, Ford and GM I dare you to put your money where your mouth is

QOS,FPS, SPCs were NOT already cut?? I'd expect that would have been cut out long before going to 1 shift. I'll call over there tomorrow and get that cut.

if the economy was good, people would NOT be buying FOCUS. When the economy was cooking people bought Explorers and trucks

Can the UAW keep its golf course? Black Lake loses $10million Should the UAW keep its country club? anyone play there? Is it worth the drive?? wouldn't the UAW be better served with an education center members in metro Detorit could drive to in less than half a day? Like in Warren or Ypsilanti?

wasn't Wayne down to one shift last year ? now its going to 3

if the book is not ready, how about an adobe file or some electric version? it is 2008, why wait for the dead tree edition? PROOF READING?

a $100k buyout without the UAW?? awesome that plant will never be organized

1 unit 1 team and 60 days after job 1. . .1 shift

which one promised more down weeks?

Don't worry for the UAW, it will be around long after the last plant is closed. The UAW just scored a big victory in smoke-free casinos in Atlantic City. and all this time I thought the UAW didn't care about customers

I might have beleived you but I know real tradesmen bring their liquor into the plant with them!

Curtis Newton, Safety rep at DTP has got to be close, 1958?

30-and-Out -- use it or lose it save a job - retire already

Thanks This is the best thread in a long time Great points, intelligently made. I am a bit scared for the economy as a whole, with the Babay Boomers retiring. I am nost so worried about the turnover of my tradesmen becuase I have faith in the training programs in place. I must give kudos to UAW skilled trades programs. I still find the notion of UAW-Skilled Trades a paradox, its a union formed because everyone considered them UNskilled

What's the problem with a North America Union? I though most of the people on this forum were pro-union?

we have met the enemy . . and it is US

What happened? The compnaies where the UAW represent are shrinking, so the UAW itself is shrinking. Auto buildin is in the private sector so there is competition. In almoest all cases, non-union companies will beat out union ones, I think the only exceptions have been in the service sector, like airlines.. The consumer public, the customer, just does not identify with the people the UAW represents. Customers don't think twice about buying Toyota, Honda, Kia, or any non-UAW car. The UAW has a huge image problem to the American public. Too many stories of crappy cars, rusty trucks, wife beating drunks keeping their assembly line jobs, nepotism, and 60 year people who won't retire. That's what has happend to the UAW, image problem Internally, I have no clue what's wrong with the UAW, except what you all write on this board, 'can't directly vote for President, Local chairman calling superintendent nigger, drunk chairman hangs out a bar all day,' you know, that stuff

What happened to the UAW? Well, they WON! After they won 30-and-out, there was not much left to do. So very much like George W Bush and Iraq, there was no plan for after the victory. The Big 3 were forced to succumb to the UAW, designs were picked to create jobs - not consumer demands. and with that noose around the Big 3, the imports were ready to crack into the market and steal it. It took 30 years but the UAW allowed it and the customers didn't care, don't care, and ain't never gonna care about $30/hr and not even required to finish high school. People used to say"I could never buy an import, not after Pearl Harbor and WW2", now they say" I could never buy a union product, not built by those lazy drunks" The customer left and is not coming back anytime too soon And NO ONE in the UAW leadership is doing anything to get a single car sold! That's got to prove to you that the rank-and-file mean very little at Solidarity house on Jeffereson Ave The UAW is still winning-- there will be a UAW long after the Big 3 are gone. Today, the UAW is a law firm, you are member for dues only. Someday soon, some other lawyers are gonna ask the UAW to give each retiree and buyout ex-memeber a little piece of the strike fund-- and that will be a fun day Today the UAW represents a $14/hr job, just look at Delphi hiring in Flint