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Car and Driver is reporting the 6.7HO is now the standard diesel motor and the 7.3L gasser is the base engine. Perhaps the 8.0 is on the horizon. I wonder what that means for the future of the 6.8L gasser. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a71270721/ford-super-duty-engine-options/

I saw this headline elsewhere and was wondering if you got called back early. Good news nonetheless.

if true, it sounds like Ford’s market space is about to get busier.

I understand your point, however it’s more that I’m a truck guy, and wouldn’t necessarily be in the market for something like this. I guess we’ll never know what the market thought since it never came out.

You can’t make it up🤦‍♂️

Maybe not something that I personally would buy, but I don’t mind it at all. Not nearly as bad as it was anticipated to be.

I hope so too. One of my favorite features.

So a Bronco Raptor knockoff. That isn’t being creative at all.

I don’t mind it. Not the best looking but not offensive to look at either. I actually like infinity’s current design language overall.

This does make a lot of sense to contribute to the affordability aspect.

It’s what you had at your grade school dances😉

What was the gist of it?

Based on what I’m seeing, it is likely the GPF that is causing it the power drop. Do you know what to look for underneath, as I don’t? Btw, you weren’t too harsh. It’s ok to have an opinion about the situation.

I’m not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but I don’t like people to speak for me, so unless I missed something in another thread, this is actually what I said: “Sorry, throwing some 24’s, a new grill, and interior on the Expedition isn’t going to move the needle in this segment. Im a firm believer that all sheet metal has to change to get people’s attention. This situation strikes me as the potential for another Fusion moment as others have mentioned. Hopefully these are just test models, and are not indicative of what is to come. It’s a failure with me, a potential buyer who buys two new vehicles approximately every three years. I will not consider it if it does not look completely new. We will be way past the mid cycle refresh date at that point. 
 Will they sell them, of course, but I don’t believe they will challenge the market leader. They won’t continue to build off the successful relaunch of the Expedition, IMO. If they are content with the status quo sales wise, I suppose you could say that is a success for them. Im just not sure why you want to follow the likes of the Armada/QX market participants instead of the market leaders. 
 If I recall correctly, you and I have debated this subject matter as related to the Fusion, so it is likely we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. It’s hard to feel optimistic about the 2025 Expedition and perhaps the Navigator. The fact that this is referred to as a refresh in this article is disturbing, however not terribly surprising considering it’s pretty evident that there’s a lot of carryover sheet-metal, in particular on the sides of the vehicle. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt, but a heavily revised interior would not be sufficient to get me to buy a new Expy, when it originally debuted in 2018. It would have to be joined by substantial exterior changes.” You can interpret that as me saying it would be a flop if you want, but that isn’t what I said. I do want Ford to succeed, including the Expedition, but Im also not an apologist that accepts everything they do as gold. I would be shocked if you had nothing to say if Porsche detuned your Boxter prior to your purchase and didn’t advise you as such. I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on at this point. Perhaps this power change started after my build date. I don’t think it’s too much to ask to want to know what you purchased.

Can I tell the difference between 385 and 400 by the seat of the pants, probably not, but that really isn’t the point. I can’t find any information in the order guide and the dealer didn’t know anything about the power change. I’ve shown examples of the information Ford was providing at the time of the purchase. Would I still have bought the vehicle, I personally would not have, but my wife bought the vehicle so I can’t speak for her. This is not the only reason I wouldn’t have bought it, I just believe they decontented it too much to justify the purchase and I wouldn’t recommend it to others unless they could get an amazing deal on it. I am going to email Ford customer service to ask them if they can tell me how to determine what my power rating is. Mostly out of curiosity at this point. I don’t know if you recall the 99 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra lawsuit regarding the power rating not being what was stated on their documentation. It does seem there are many in the forums that were not aware of this change. I mention this for the sake of discussion.