fuzzymoomoo

that's even worse

Talk to your salesman, he should have it for you by now.

I can't take Bob Lutz seriously. He sounds like a bitter old man.

another refresh?

FWIW, Aviator is a 2020 model.

*citation needed*

MKC and/or MKX refresh

when you put it that way, it totally is!

I would have thought that over 12 years they could gain more than 1 second.....

it's a FRAP thing too. My rep there was fucking terrible (he got voted out this year) but I did see him almost every day. He did eventually start avoiding me because he couldn't answer my questions. Edit: I wonder if it's partly because you're trades. I can't remember the last time I saw the trades reps on the floor at MAP during a normal shift. I know who he is and I do see him now and again, but it normally around special events. I think he mostly stays in his office unless he's needed.

I will say this. Even though almost all they spew is bullshit, we still have it better than the Teamsters. At least we see our representatives regularly, if not every day despite the bullshit. I would know, I was a teamster for 3 years before coming to Ford. Not once did I ever see my rep. I didn't even know what local I was part of.

Ogden Utah

Call your salesman, it was delivered yesterday

speak for yourself, about half of them are above even me ?

And people say the internal combustion engine is dying ?

they've been 2 shifts for the last 4 years or so. They just did rolling layoffs all summer and now just got rid of all of their temps. If that doesn't say they're losing a shift soon then I don't know what does. The company even admitted they wanted to cut second shift before the union convinced them to do rolling Layoffs for the summer.

Lol CSX. That railroad has a LOT of problems right now. Good luck!

Guaranteed that improves with the coming MCE and future generations.

The standard is also a lot higher than for the Ford counterparts, as it rightfully should be for a luxury brand.

Lincolns in general are more complicated to build than their Ford counterparts. I was at FRAP during the buildup to the Continental launch, the parts fit tighter, and there's more of them in relation to their Ford counterparts. Even though KTP already built the old Navigator, there's still going to be growing pains.

FYI, signs are pointing to FRAP losing a shift in the not too distant future. Gonna be a lot of competition for not a lot of open jobs.

Still with UP in Rawlins Wyoming

lol

That one has been pretty obvious for a while. If they're going to axe the second shift (and all signs are the company is desperate to), my guess is the earliest it will happen is March. I'm still not convinced they weren't lying when they said no jobs would be lost with the Ranger coming in.