RichardJensen Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Isn't the Mondeo D-class sized now? More of a 'tweener' than a true D size car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 What year is that Fairlane? Similar body shape from 2002 through to December 2007. Mainly mechanical changes whith 6 cylinders getting DIVCT and ZF 6 speed autos. Ford Aus keeps the same body shape for about 7 years - Detroit controlling costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Isn't the Mondeo D-class sized now? Anyway, the last car they brought over without changing much was the Contour/Mystique. It did well in Europe, but not so well over here. One thing, the backseat was next to non-existent which didn't seem to upset very many Europeans. Actually, Mondeo is classed as Large Mid Sized or a large C car. rear seat room same as Fusion but front seat travel is 44" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 More of a 'tweener' than a true D size car. Are the tweener cars of interest to US consumers or are they confusing/not filling consumer check lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Are the tweener cars of interest to US consumers or are they confusing/not filling consumer check lists? What is a "tweener?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Tweener = CD as in A (Ka) B (Fiesta) C (Focus) CD (Fusion/Mondeo) D (Taurus)... E (Town Car L) The Camry, Fusion, Altima, Malibu, and until this year Accord were all 'tweeners' and they're the heart of the American sedan market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Tweener = CD as in A (Ka) B (Fiesta) C (Focus) CD (Fusion/Mondeo) D (Taurus)... E (Town Car L) The Camry, Fusion, Altima, Malibu, and until this year Accord were all 'tweeners' and they're the heart of the American sedan market. If the Ka is an A Class vehicle, is there anything being sold in the U.S./Canada that is from the same class? I don't think a Smart car is from the A Class. Isn't a Ka about the same size as the original Geo Metro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Tweener = CD as in A (Ka) B (Fiesta) C (Focus) CD (Fusion/Mondeo) D (Taurus)... E (Town Car L) The Camry, Fusion, Altima, Malibu, and until this year Accord were all 'tweeners' and they're the heart of the American sedan market. Falcon/Commodore are only just D sized cars, you'll see what I mean when Pontiac G8 arrives. It's very hard to tell if they're any bigger than the names you listed off. Probably a little wider internally, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 If the Ka is an A Class vehicle, is there anything being sold in the U.S./Canada that is from the same class? I don't think a Smart car is from the A Class. Isn't a Ka about the same size as the original Geo Metro? Yaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Aussie Jac Nasser was deamonised and vilified by everyone in the USA but had his audacious plans worked Ford would now be richer than GM and Toyota put together. Nasser was a very smart guy in my opinion but Ford didn't have the money to see things through. Thing is Nasser had a long term vision, but what Ford needed was to fix immediate problems first..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Yaris I thought a Yaris was a B Class car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I thought a Yaris was a B Class car. I thought Corolla was B class, Now I am confused.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I thought Corolla was B class, Now I am confused.... Corolla here is C Class - it competes with the Focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Nasser was a very smart guy in my opinion but Ford didn't have the money to see things through. Thing is Nasser had a long term vision, but what Ford needed was to fix immediate problems first..... The Firestone tyre problem with Explorers came at the worst possible time for Ford. It's all fish and chip wrappings now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 What is a "tweener?" stands for "in between".....thus its kinda half way between the two sizes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Nasser was a very smart guy in my opinion but Ford didn't have the money to see things through. Thing is Nasser had a long term vision, but what Ford needed was to fix immediate problems first..... This is from Wikipedia: Throughout Nasser's tenure, there were serious concerns about his abrupt, sometimes abrasive management style and treatment of subordinates. It has also been said that Nasser's tough business practices and hard-nosed manners unsettled and alienated Ford's supplier network, dealerships, and most notably, its employees. Nasser diverted most of management's attention to new initiatives and lost focus on the core business of making great automobiles, critics argue. He also implemented a controversial management performance review system that alienated and divided the management. Nasser (Wikipedia) Edited January 18, 2008 by MarkFive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The Firestone tyre problem with Explorers came at the worst possible time for Ford. It's all fish and chip wrappings now.. can smell the Spring rolls right now........DAMN I MISS MY GREASIES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The victors write history. Nasser faced an up hill battle with feifdoms and chiefs that wouldn't support him. His vision of the future was flawed, it was based on the assumption that the excesses of the 1980s gave him the time to develop a luxury performance auto group that would rival FoE for profits. His preoccupation for acquireing other companies not of core value to Ford resulted in his demise. Mulally put the broom through feifdoms before he started, has the support of the board and is focused on Ford and its products. A world of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFive Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) The victors write history.His preoccupation for acquireing other companies not of core value to Ford resulted in his demise. Good point about history. I also believe he diversified the company way too much with his aquisitions. Now most everything acquired during his time is either already sold or on the block (except Volvo). Edited January 18, 2008 by MarkFive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The victors write history.Nasser faced an up hill battle with feifdoms and chiefs that wouldn't support him. His vision of the future was flawed, it was based on the assumption that the excesses of the 1980s gave him the time to develop a luxury performance auto group that would rival FoE for profits. His preoccupation for acquireing other companies not of core value to Ford resulted in his demise. Mulally put the broom through feifdoms before he started, has the support of the board and is focused on Ford and its products. A world of difference. Didn't FoE go into the dumpster on his watch? Nasser seemed to be as out of touch as GM's Proctor & Gamble execs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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