Proved: There is no climate crisis

[Trimdingman]

Trim, that was bogus in my opinion.

 

Liberals believe what they believe, just as conservatives do the same. Sure, I think the regular liberal on the street is wrong, but I don't see them using it as a grand plan to screw things up. They support it because they BELIEVE it, nothing more, nothing less.

 

For me, the enviro/conservative debate is kinda like 2 people sitting at slot machines in Las Vegas right next to each other. They both start at exactly the same time, and each time they pull the one arm bandit, they get exactly the same outcome and they are both winning; and yet, both know if they continue the pulling, eventually they may not. They both know the odds, but while they are getting the same results exactly, their mindset is NOT the same. One will bailout before the other.

 

The only difference in this scenario next to ours is----------->They are MUST force the person next to them to see it their way, so one is pulling the other away, and the other has his/her hands wrapped around the one arm bandit refusing to leave.

 

Who is correct?

 

Nobody really knows cause neither knows where they sit on the tumbler of the bandit, but they both have good arguements over their position, now don't they!!!!!

 

Of course, when other people get involved, (other countrys) they are really trying to get the outcome that helps them. Which is why Kyoto is a pile of horse dung, lolol. All Americans would be much more inclined to go along with enviros if it was between us, and would eliminate anybody else who would profit from us agreeing to give them at least part of what they want.

 

 

I should have clarified. The liberal on the street does believe in what he is doing. We all do. It is the leaders who I am talking about. All they want is power. I don't think they are sincere at all. All they want to do is saddle us with useless institutions from which they draw power. They will never suggest something to help the environment which would involve less beaurocracy.

[stephenhawkings]

do you think those leaders are liberal with their power or do they conserve it?

[Trimdingman]

do you think those leaders are liberal with their power or do they conserve it?

 

Funny. I just want them to have less of it, whether they are liberal or conservative.

[stephenhawkings]

i know every one wants to talk about how john mccain isn't a socialist thats not going to grow our govt. just like W did but heres a piece that might touch the hearts and minds of people who might not claim to be, but act like conservatives.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_...eatened_tropics

 

i know its all a fairy tale were actually going into an ice age, my SUV doesn't do anything, and the NRA told me so!

but for those whom can think critically i hope for honest specualation or debate with facts.

[Trimdingman]

i know every one wants to talk about how john mccain isn't a socialist thats not going to grow our govt. just like W did but heres a piece that might touch the hearts and minds of people who might not claim to be, but act like conservatives.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_...eatened_tropics

 

i know its all a fairy tale were actually going into an ice age, my SUV doesn't do anything, and the NRA told me so!

but for those whom can think critically i hope for honest specualation or debate with facts.

 

 

If you compare the volume of people to the volume of the atmosphere, the ratio would be something like 190 billion to one. We do not have a significant impact on the atmosphere.

[stephenhawkings]

the size of your body doesn't equate to the size of your out put, next time your automobile is running try putting your hand on the tail pipe and check the out put, or take a garbage bag and see how long at idle it takes to fill up, probably not very long, and i bet your body wouldn't take but one possibly two bags to fill up, so hence if your car can fill the volume your body is in a few minutes imagine how much more air/atmosphere it effects sitting in a traffic jam for an hour.

another thought is how far that steak dinner i had last night had to be driven.

the petroleum fertilizers shipped to the corn fields

the corn shipped to the cows the cows shipped to the restaurant.

then you also have to consider the power to pump the water to the crops and cows, and the above needs to be applied to the salad, potatoe(now i know how dan qualye feels) dessert wine or beer

so yeah my body isn't very large compared to the atmosphere but it has an impact.

another note worth noting

the atmosphere isn't nearly as dense as our bodies, and even less dense than some bodies heads. at higher levels we need oxygen tanks to assist, like mountain tops, and even further hieghts one atmospheric molecule doesn't even some into contact with other molecules/atoms.

now i know this seam like some liberal hogwash that the commies are prorogation, but its actually true, i know the discovery channel specials don't point this out during ice road truckers or loggers, but that would be counter to their commercial sponsors. CO2 levels and methane, are rising and do affect spectral light scattering and the heat retention cooling of this planet.

but i am open for discussion on this topic which i suspect those who believe what their oil/coal companies tell them are not.

so yeah our volume may be of small proportion, but our density is not.

[Trimdingman]

the size of your body doesn't equate to the size of your out put, next time your automobile is running try putting your hand on the tail pipe and check the out put, or take a garbage bag and see how long at idle it takes to fill up, probably not very long, and i bet your body wouldn't take but one possibly two bags to fill up, so hence if your car can fill the volume your body is in a few minutes imagine how much more air/atmosphere it effects sitting in a traffic jam for an hour.

another thought is how far that steak dinner i had last night had to be driven.

the petroleum fertilizers shipped to the corn fields

the corn shipped to the cows the cows shipped to the restaurant.

then you also have to consider the power to pump the water to the crops and cows, and the above needs to be applied to the salad, potatoe(now i know how dan qualye feels) dessert wine or beer

so yeah my body isn't very large compared to the atmosphere but it has an impact.

another note worth noting

the atmosphere isn't nearly as dense as our bodies, and even less dense than some bodies heads. at higher levels we need oxygen tanks to assist, like mountain tops, and even further hieghts one atmospheric molecule doesn't even some into contact with other molecules/atoms.

now i know this seam like some liberal hogwash that the commies are prorogation, but its actually true, i know the discovery channel specials don't point this out during ice road truckers or loggers, but that would be counter to their commercial sponsors. CO2 levels and methane, are rising and do affect spectral light scattering and the heat retention cooling of this planet.

but i am open for discussion on this topic which i suspect those who believe what their oil/coal companies tell them are not.

so yeah our volume may be of small proportion, but our density is not.

 

 

Do you understand how much 190 billion is? We do not even show up on the radar. Oceans cover 3/4 of the earth's surface. There are virtually no people in the oceans. Carbon dioxide is not bad anyway. It would take a lot more of it than we produce to cause a "greenhouse effect", if it is even possible. You probably would have to have the earth and atmosphere inside a plastic balloon, and the effect of the oceans would negate any greenhouse effect. Science has looked at placing huge mylar plastic sheets in space to generate heat and power by producing microwaves. I don't know what the greenies would say about that, but you can be sure it would involve the death of the planet unless we got taxed for it.

 

If the earth was the size of an apple, and all of the people were gathered in one area, a pin prick would create a hole that would swallow them up.

 

The Mt. St. Helens explosion caused more impact on the atmosphere than man in all our history combined. The climate didn't change. Only the sun has that kind of power. The sun has over a million times the volume of the earth.

Edited October 12, 2008 by Trimdingman

[stephenhawkings]

190 billion is less than a quadrillion, and also less than the current economic bailout plan.

when density or mass is considered the atmosphere loses its lead a substantial amount.

but that arguement is worthless when you consider the context, and how a match stick compares to a forest and the damage it can do.

carbon dioxide isn't bad, when you have oxygen present, but when you don't well problems arise, at least for humans. but CO2 is also just an entry level greenhouse gases such as CFC's and methane are both many time more potent, and when you consider that some of these are currently trapped in the ocean or permafrost and could be released upon global warming that could very well start a feedback loop that we may not be able to correct with catalytic converters on our cars or power plants even with 'clean' coal.

as for the earth in a plastic balloon to an extent we are the resources and atmosphere are finite, so we aren't going to import any fresh air around the earth any time soon, maybe you have sat next to the smoking section and had its pollution drift towards you and noticed this effect.

the oceans would be a nice filter, but i don't know of any HEPA certified bodies of water, what little they do do would be even smaller as their PH levels rise and make the possibilty of plankton production a none possibilty.

as for the apple hypothesis it may be true i don't feel like doing the math

and mt st helens or even a large asteroid could do more damage than we ever could, it even believed in some cicles that the building blocks of all life were helped along greatly by an asteroid creating an ideal situation for DNA to form and create simple forms of life.

 

climate change is a reality, maybe global warming sounds too nice especially with winter coming up. and we may not even see the melting of the polar ice caps during our lifetime. but man has had an effect and will continue to have an effect no matter what the oil companies tell you, or you SUV driving friends say.

 

as for the math that says that man is small compared to the earth their right, but our effects are larger than we even think about.

 

ever stop to think about that stuff you put at the curb every week where it goes? what it does? what if a years worth or a lifetimes worth show back up on your front door, how would you feel then? or all the exhaust from your auto, do i need to go on? i bet i do.

[Trimdingman]

Comets probably started life on the earth. There is a belief that the earth was split in half 400 million years ago by a collision with another heavenly body. The other half of the earth is the moon and the asteroid belt. There was a mass extinction around that time right down to shellfish. That is why we find all these trilobite fossils. This is what caused the "continental drift", as the remaining land moved to fill in the gap and re-form into a sphere. There is still a big scar at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Now we are here. The earth will survive us as well.

 

The amount of chemicals that we produce is a lot from our perspective, but the oceans are too vast to be affected as a whole. There will be localized pollution, but once dissipated into the whole ocean, it is gone.

Edited October 13, 2008 by Trimdingman

[stephenhawkings]

Comets probably started life on the earth. There is a belief that the earth was split in half 400 million years ago by a collision with another heavenly body. The other half of the earth is the moon and the asteroid belt. There was a mass extinction around that time right down to shellfish. That is why we find all these trilobite fossils. This is what caused the "continental drift", as the remaining land moved to fill in the gap and re-form into a sphere. There is still a big scar at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Now we are here. The earth will survive us as well.

 

The amount of chemicals that we produce is a lot from our perspective, but the oceans are too vast to be affected as a whole. There will be localized pollution, but once dissipated into the whole ocean, it is gone.

 

well the top layer of the ocean hardly ever mixes with the deep seas(below3000 ft) and the can have their ph levels affectd by things happening on the surface.

rachel carson's silent spring was an excellent example of this.

but since i, and i presume you don't live by an ocean the affects aren't readily apparent, and to even further the point if you aen't looking for something you wont see it

so if you don't want to believe in any sort of climate alteration by man kind you wont see it.

which is exactly what is happening here

i just wonder what has caused this closed loop phenomenon, i am almost certain it isn't the application of the scientific method, propaganda, or the propagation of an alterer motive and the associated victims are probably the most prevalent.

[Imawhosure]

well the top layer of the ocean hardly ever mixes with the deep seas(below3000 ft) and the can have their ph levels affectd by things happening on the surface.

rachel carson's silent spring was an excellent example of this.

but since i, and i presume you don't live by an ocean the affects aren't readily apparent, and to even further the point if you aen't looking for something you wont see it

so if you don't want to believe in any sort of climate alteration by man kind you wont see it.

which is exactly what is happening here

i just wonder what has caused this closed loop phenomenon, i am almost certain it isn't the application of the scientific method, propaganda, or the propagation of an alterer motive and the associated victims are probably the most prevalent.

 

Climate has been changing forever, and that has been proven. Ice age, mini ice age, earth heats up, etc.

 

What you are basically speaking of is pollution, which is highly commendable, but then going out in left field and trying to control the weather. I didn't know we could control sunspots, etc.

 

I have noticed that most alarmists have changed their mantra from GLOBAL WARMING, to the new CLIMATE CHANGE, lolol. All encompassing, hehehehehehehehehe. Nobody I know has a problem with anyone doing what their conscience tells them is correct as far as their impact on the enviroment. But, when they attempt to legislate EVERYONE see it their way, that is when danger signals should go off.

[Trimdingman]

well the top layer of the ocean hardly ever mixes with the deep seas(below3000 ft) and the can have their ph levels affectd by things happening on the surface.

rachel carson's silent spring was an excellent example of this.

but since i, and i presume you don't live by an ocean the affects aren't readily apparent, and to even further the point if you aen't looking for something you wont see it

so if you don't want to believe in any sort of climate alteration by man kind you wont see it.

which is exactly what is happening here

i just wonder what has caused this closed loop phenomenon, i am almost certain it isn't the application of the scientific method, propaganda, or the propagation of an alterer motive and the associated victims are probably the most prevalent.

 

I just look at the proposition myself. The oceans are too vast for man to affect them. The proposition was arrived at by working backwards from agenda to possible cause. That is what I conclude. I see patterns in everything these ex-communists/hippies do. Climate change fear-mongering is just a means to an end which has more to do with controlling the population than it has to do with saving the environment. Thay have latched on to this because it is hard for people to not go along with it. It is easy to ridicule non-believers.

Edited October 14, 2008 by Trimdingman

[stephenhawkings]

ex communists hippies liberals democrats people who think

 

how much variance do you think your ph level can change in your body before you die?

 

not much

 

how much variance can your mind have in its though processes?

 

not much

 

do a little home work on ph levels in your body and oceans and than open your mouth, or type, or ramble on about hippies commies or democrats.

 

unitl then enjoy your socialism

[Trimdingman]

ex communists hippies liberals democrats people who think

 

how much variance do you think your ph level can change in your body before you die?

 

not much

 

how much variance can your mind have in its though processes?

 

not much

 

do a little home work on ph levels in your body and oceans and than open your mouth, or type, or ramble on about hippies commies or democrats.

 

unitl then enjoy your socialism

 

 

??? :wacko:

 

I was there in the 60s. They were told what to think, and were usually whacked out on drugs. The hippy movement was the brain child of Asian Communists.

 

The ocean contains every element in the periodic table. The pH will not change by anything that man can do. How large is the ocean? Any chemicals that man could manufacture and deposit into the ocean would be like a drop in a lake. The total volume of people is somewhere around 1/10th of a cubic mile. If they produced their volume in H2SO4 or HCL or NaOH each day, and dumped it into the ocean, it would be unnoticable. The volume of the oceans is 1.3 billion cubic kilometers. The volume of people is 1/10th of a cubic mile. We couldn't change the pH of the ocean by a millionth of a logarithmic unit.

 

You can believe the bullshit if you want. Once in a while, you should do like I do. Think.

Edited October 15, 2008 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

Where did you get the notion that I am a socialist? It is the socialists who came up with this global warming crap. You will not be happy until Big Brother controls every aspect of your sorry existence.

Edited October 15, 2008 by Trimdingman

[mettech]

I just look at the proposition myself. The oceans are too vast for man to affect them. The proposition was arrived at by working backwards from agenda to possible cause. That is what I conclude. I see patterns in everything these ex-communists/hippies do. Climate change fear-mongering is just a means to an end which has more to do with controlling the population than it has to do with saving the environment. Thay have latched on to this because it is hard for people to not go along with it. It is easy to ridicule non-believers.

 

Speaking as a 26 year USAF Weather Forecaster and someone that votes mostly for the GOP......

 

A statement like you posted must come from a fucking idiot ("person lacking professional skill," "a private citizen," "individual").

 

And I mean that with the utmost respect. :shades:

[mettech]

??? :wacko:

 

I was there in the 60s. They were told what to think, and were usually whacked out on drugs. The hippy movement was the brain child of Asian Communists.

 

The ocean contains every element in the periodic table. The pH will not change by anything that man can do. How large is the ocean? Any chemicals that man could manufacture and deposit into the ocean would be like a drop in a lake. The total volume of people is somewhere around 1/10th of a cubic mile. If they produced their volume in H2SO4 or HCL or NaOH each day, and dumped it into the ocean, it would be unnoticable. The volume of the oceans is 1.3 billion cubic kilometers. The volume of people is 1/10th of a cubic mile. We couldn't change the pH of the ocean by a millionth of a logarithmic unit.

 

You can believe the bullshit if you want. Once in a while, you should do like I do. Think.

 

At first, I thought I was too harsh with my judgement....

:shades:

 

 

Peace man....

[Trimdingman]

You cannot measure the pH of the whole ocean. It will vary from coastal areas to remote regions. Worrying about the pH of the ocean is fear-mongering with no scientific or logical basis.

Edited October 15, 2008 by Trimdingman

[stephenhawkings]

fear mongering, like the war on drugs the war on terror the war on obama cuz hes a terroist

be afraid be very afraid don't think anything but fear!

big brother wants you to be scared!

[stephenhawkings]

You cannot measure the pH of the whole ocean. It will vary from coastal areas to remote regions. Worrying about the pH of the ocean is fear-mongering with no scientific or logical basis.

PH levels not scientific or logical?

ok then what is santa claus?

[napfirst]

More global warming!

[94bronco]

More global warming!

Good one, I wish the silly liberals would stop wasting my money on this bullshit idea and maybe invest it in something useful such as offshore drilling instead?

[stephenhawkings]

well those may have grew but some extra water showed up from some where.

 

cooler

[stephenhawkings]

well i guess we can tell who all the bush heads are by your stance on the topic of climate crisis.

 

or do we want to use the words communism, liberal, or nonbushlover?

 

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain i am the all powerul ozzybush!

 

man you guys need to be careful that your citing only oil company studies and the like, some one didnt look at this one very well.

[Trimdingman]

PH levels not scientific or logical?

ok then what is santa claus?

 

 

How do you measure the pH of the ocean? You would have to stir it until it is uniform, and then do a litmus test. What would it take to alter the pH of the ocean? It would take a lot more than man is capable of doing. Look at man. Look at the ocean. It is stupid to even talk about it.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Trimdingman