Proved: There is no climate crisis

[retro-man]

 

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

:tease:

Edited August 9, 2008 by retro-man

[Edstock]

I didn't say there were no spies or subversives. I just think you're giving them a little too much credit if you're claiming they can create entire social movements within the United States.

You're right. The great mass of people are apathetic. For subversives, this is like pushing a rope.

 

They are.

They aren't. You're paranoid. When you decide to explore J.J. Angleton's wilderness of mirrors, be sure to drop a trail of breadcrumbs, so's you can find your way out.

 

Back 70-75 years ago, there were a lot of people who were disenchanted, and all manner of Soviet-funded efforts that amounted to nothing. In the 60's, the commies fronted all manner of "peace" groups, and nothing much happened. Today, the apathy is great, along with the inertia, especially for just about everybody but hard-core conservatives — you know, the kind of people who buy firearms like Pez dispensers, and ammo by the case.

 

An American S-F writer of the 60's, Mack Reynolds, wrote a series of books about this sort of thing, called the "Frigid Fracas" series. In this future, America has developed a caste system, as has the Russian empire.

 

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

Thank-you, sir.

 

[retro-man]

[Trimdingman]

It is not me feeding you all of this man-made global warming bullshit. If you would at least take the time to study it yourself and put it into perspective, instead of just out-right believing it, you would see that it is bullshit. The proposed solutions would cripple the economy and benefit the Russians. Do you recognize the Russian accent when you hear it? Think Peter Ustinov, the actor. It is a very sophisticated accent and people assume that there is a lot of knowledge behind it. When they propagandize, they use a lot of fluff and it is impossible to follow the line of logic, but you believe because of the delivery. I am not a flake. The ones who painted past communist baiters as flakes were communist supporters themselves. This enviromnental stuff is just another tactic that they are using. They have been doing this for many years already.

 

When do you say that a duck is a duck? What does our tax rate have to be before we are communists?

Edited August 9, 2008 by Trimdingman

[sprinter]

Well the melting season is coming to an end in the Artic. And guess what?

 

 

Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered

_____________________________



15 Aug 08 - “Just a few weeks ago, predictions of Arctic ice collapse were buzzing all over the internet. Some scientists were predicting that the "North Pole may be ice-free for first time this summer". Others predicted that the entire "polar ice cap would disappear this summer".

 

“The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year. The sun is now very low above the horizon and will set for the winter at the North Pole in five weeks. And none of these dire predictions have come to pass. Yet there is, however, something odd going on with the ice data.

 

“The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado released an alarming graph on August 11, showing that Arctic ice was rapidly disappearing, back towards last year's record minimum. Their data shows Arctic sea ice extent only 10 per cent greater than this date in 2007, and the second lowest on record (see link below to view graphs).

 

However, a comparison of maps derived from NSIDC data shows that “Arctic ice extent was 30 per cent greater on August 11, 2008 than it was on the August 12, 2007. (2008 is a leap year, so the dates are offset by one.)

 

"... ice has grown in nearly every direction since last summer - with a large increase in the area north of Siberia. Also note that the area around the Northwest Passage (west of Greenland) has seen a significant increase in ice. Some of the islands in the Canadian Archipelago are surrounded by more ice than they were during the summer of 1980.

 

“(The NSIDC graph) appears to disagree with the maps by a factor of three (10 per cent vs. 30 per cent) - hardly a trivial discrepancy.

 

“The Arctic did not experience the meltdowns forecast by NSIDC and the Norwegian Polar Year Secretariat. It didn't even come close. Additionally, some current graphs and press releases from NSIDC seem less than conservative. There appears to be a consistent pattern of overstatement related to Arctic ice loss.

 

And what of the Antarctic? Down south, ice extent is well ahead of the recent average. Why isn't NSIDC making similarly high-profile press releases about the increase in Antarctic ice over the last 30 years?

 

See entire article by Steven Goddard

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/go...ic_ice_mystery/

Thanks to Steven Woodcock, Chuck Clancy and Marc Morano for this link

 

 

Look at the maps and it's obvious who is laying the BS down

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/go...ic_ice_mystery/

[Trimdingman]

Well the melting season is coming to an end in the Artic. And guess what?

 

 

 

 

 

Look at the maps and it's obvious who is laying the BS down

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/go...ic_ice_mystery/

 

 

They are still ignoring the facts and talking about "fighting climate change". It is religion. The followers only hear what they are told to hear.

[fmccap]

I wonder if this is our fault? We have actually had a cool summer.

 

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

The event is significant as many climatologists now believe solar magnetic activity – which determines the number of sunspots -- is an influencing factor for climate on earth.

[Trimdingman]

I wonder if this is our fault? We have actually had a cool summer.

 

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

 

The increased gravity from the approaching planet Nibiru will have a significant affect on the sun's activity. That makes more sense than carbon dioxide from car exhaust. This hoax is better than the other hoax, if it is a hoax.

[Ron W.]

The increased gravity from the approaching planet Nibiru will have a significant affect on the sun's activity. That makes more sense than carbon dioxide from car exhaust. This hoax is better than the other hoax, if it is a hoax.

 

 

Or maybe the mayans were correct and we're going to melt It is getting closer :shades:

http://www.survive2012.com/why_2012_alignment.php

[mulewright]

The earth has warmed in the past few years. Sure I know....the N pole ice shrinks, and the S pole ice grows....which proves nothing. But there is proof of higher temps the past few years.

 

Wrong! the earth has been getting cooler since 1998...

 

The earth has been getting warmer since the end of the "little ice age" or about 1750. The increase in carbon emissions has only occurred in the last 100 years or so and the rate at which the earth has warmed has remained constant both before the increase and after. Look at a graph of temperatures for the last 3000 years not the last 300 if you want the truth.

Edited September 3, 2008 by mulewright

[mulewright]

They are still ignoring the facts and talking about "fighting climate change". It is religion. The followers only hear what they are told to hear.

 

It is like a religion, we're told "we're responsible, there's no proof that we're responsible but we just know that we are"

 

The fact is that we have beeen reducing pollution for 40 years and there is no evidence to suggest that we should destroy our economy and the US auto industry in particular to reduce our emissions faster than we already are.

 

Point to remember is ... being "green" is a luxury that only weathy nations have, as others have pointed out, the developing nations aren't worried about pollution because they're more concerned with lifting their people out of poverty.

 

The "panic" is being created for political reasons, that's why when Nancy Pelosi was interveiwed on why she was blocking a vote on offshore drilling (which a majority of congress and 3/4 of the American people supported) she said "we have a planet to save"

[Joe771476]

Here in New England the temperature barely reached 80 the ENTIRE month of August! It's probably the coolest August on record! Somebody punch Al Gore in the mouth!

[Trimdingman]

Here in New England the temperature barely reached 80 the ENTIRE month of August! It's probably the coolest August on record! Somebody punch Al Gore in the mouth!

 

Al Gore has his followers. Just like Billy Graham and the Iatolla keep them pumped full of crap, and nobody can convince them otherwise. "Jesus said this. Are you calling Jesus a liar?" Double speak and circular logic. The methods have been around for millenia. The more elaborate the presentation, the more likely that the speaker is lying.

[Savetheplanet]

Here in New England the temperature barely reached 80 the ENTIRE month of August! It's probably the coolest August on record! Somebody punch Al Gore in the mouth!

 

You sir are an idiot!!!

 

The chaotic nature of weather means that no conclusion about climate can ever be drawn from a single data point, hot or cold. The temperature of one place at one time is just weather, and says nothing about climate, much less climate change, much less global climate change.

[Floyd Lawson]

More global warming critics

[Savetheplanet]

More global warming critics

 

 

Yeah he is a critic alright, but what kind of scientific qualifications does he have? Is he a member of the royal society? Is he a member of the academy of sciences? The meteorological society, the ICPP or is he like Al Gore, just a politician?

The thing is you guys slam Al Gore yet use this guy and others like him to denounce ACC. You sir are a hypocrite!

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Wilson

[Trimdingman]

Yeah he is a critic alright, but what kind of scientific qualifications does he have? Is he a member of the royal society? Is he a member of the academy of sciences? The meteorological society, the ICPP or is he like Al Gore, just a politician?

The thing is you guys slam Al Gore yet use this guy and others like him to denounce ACC. You sir are a hypocrite!

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Wilson

 

It was people like Al Gore who made up man-made global warming, not real scientists. Now that they put it out there, they are fair game.

[mulewright]

You sir are an idiot!!!

 

The chaotic nature of weather means that no conclusion about climate can ever be drawn from a single data point, hot or cold. The temperature of one place at one time is just weather, and says nothing about climate, much less climate change, much less global climate change.

 

Yet the global warming nuts are basing their case mostly on data over the last 250 years .... in the context of the history of the earth, 250 years is a single data point.

[Savetheplanet]

Yet the global warming nuts are basing their case mostly on data over the last 250 years .... in the context of the history of the earth, 250 years is a single data point.

 

 

"Mostly on data over the last 250 years" Are you high?

 

 

they have gone back 800,000 years to record various levels of temperatures and greenhouse gases. They go to places like Antarctica and Greenland and take samples up to a depth of 3km. The "ice core" samples are taken and distributed to various labs, all agreeing on the data.

 

I mean think about it, even for someone so dimwitted as myself, it is rather simple to understand. The arctic snows has not melted in that period, so each year a new layer is created, and each layer carries with it certain atmospheric particles. When the ice reaches a certain depth, air is actually trapped in the ice, so not only do they have the layer of snow, but now they have the frozen pockets of air from that period.

 

Also, in addition to "ice cores" sediment cores taken from the ocean floor are used as well, although, I do not think they can go back as far. Studies that I have seen go back approximately two-hundred thousand years and are yet still incomplete, but what data they do have coincides with the "ice core" samples.

[Imawhosure]

Yet the global warming nuts are basing their case mostly on data over the last 250 years .... in the context of the history of the earth, 250 years is a single data point.

 

 

I WOULD LIKE to remind all of the people on here that think as I do, to NOT allow these people to change the debate from global WARMING, to CLIMATE CHANGE. They are NOT the same, so please do not fall into that little trap!!!!!!!!

 

How long have we heard people like SAVE, Methos, and a host of others, come on this site to proclaim that our use of fossil fuels is directly responsible for any rise in global temperatures?!?!?!?!?! Any naysaying by us was instantly refuted with incessant links to prove their untenable position, but for every person that got behind us, they seemed to get one more behind them too, polarizing the situation worse.

 

But now we have them by the cucaraches, lololol. All their huffing, puffing, and FLOOD your house down due to the ice packs melting is on the verge of changing!!!!!! It now appears we very well could be heading into a GLOBAL COOLING period. Remember, their arguement was warming, not CHANGE!!!!!!!!

 

They will end up being 180% wrong!!!! All the crap they wanted to do would have made the situation worse!!!! If woulda listened, we might have FROZE to death, lololol.

 

Of course they will regroup, and start beating the drums that the cooling is also somehow YOUR fault, but remember------------>fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!!!!!!!

 

Go back and save some of their posts as I have for prosperity, along with the links!!!!! These people have given us; through their own certainty of the WARMING PROBLEM, fodder enough to last years on any message board when they try to cram it down our throat on the cooling issue. Their credibility will go up in smoke with laughter, and you will no longer have to search for anything to dismiss such poppycock, because you will have their own words and links to show how misguided, how alarmist, how socialistic, and how gullible they are.

[Trimdingman]

"Mostly on data over the last 250 years" Are you high?

 

 

they have gone back 800,000 years to record various levels of temperatures and greenhouse gases. They go to places like Antarctica and Greenland and take samples up to a depth of 3km. The "ice core" samples are taken and distributed to various labs, all agreeing on the data.

 

I mean think about it, even for someone so dimwitted as myself, it is rather simple to understand. The arctic snows has not melted in that period, so each year a new layer is created, and each layer carries with it certain atmospheric particles. When the ice reaches a certain depth, air is actually trapped in the ice, so not only do they have the layer of snow, but now they have the frozen pockets of air from that period.

 

Also, in addition to "ice cores" sediment cores taken from the ocean floor are used as well, although, I do not think they can go back as far. Studies that I have seen go back approximately two-hundred thousand years and are yet still incomplete, but what data they do have coincides with the "ice core" samples.

 

 

We already know that it was cooler in the past and warmer in the past. Core samples from thousands of years ago cannot prove or disprove what is happening to-day. On what are they basing their hypothesis of man-made global warming? Nothing. They just made it up and are spouting a lot of gobblety-gook to try and get a gullible public to swallow it.

[stephenhawkings]

as much as some BON readers, and commentators in the forum here may not like Al Gore, and think his circus show is all smoke and mirrors , while others may workship his power points like a thousand points of light, whatever!

but for those with an open mind, or the believers in global cooling, change, warming, or what ever else is happeneing out side your window, and to your air that is different i suggest a read of a book that was put out in 1993, its quite insightful, and more fair to the whole truth, ok not the whole, but a larger portion of it than any talking point, multi-minute news commentary, or even better than a two night special on the national geographic channel, and sadly too its even better than my beloved NPR. if memory serves me the book is titled earth in the balance: ecology and the human spirit. by none other than the former senator from tenn, which will turn some of you off none the less, and maybe some don't have the time to read, or the desire, but for those who do, you will see that the problems we are encountering with the environment may be different than warming or cooling, they will also be more profound most likely, with that i think i will avoid this topic for a while and when i look back a moth or so from now i am sure my portion of the globe will be cooler, either from the weather, or from some one having read thee above mentioned book.

[mulewright]

"Mostly on data over the last 250 years" Are you high?

 

 

they have gone back 800,000 years to record various levels of temperatures and greenhouse gases.....

 

Do yourself a favor and do a little reading somewhere other than the left wing blogs.. Here's a good place to start. Scroll down a bit and there are lots of links to skeptics

 

http://wjr.com/Article.asp?id=458274&spid=6552

Edited September 9, 2008 by mulewright

[Floyd Lawson]

Another GW guru flips!

[Trimdingman]

Another GW guru flips!

 

It will take more than logic to get these believers off their religion.