McCain declines automakers help, helped his Wall Street pals but not autoworkers

[Nixon4pres]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081026/mccain_autos.html?.v=1

 

This is from Today Sunday the 26th, if anyone was on the fence this should finalize your decision...funny how he wasnt worried about his rich Wall Street pals

[Chiefs84]

If you read it, McCain said to expedite the first $15 billion, and then see how that works, if it doesn't help then look at some more money. Maybe, with Obama wanting to spread the wealth, you will be more than happy to take a pay cut, so he can give that to the people who dont care to work for a living. Also you might want to pay for your benefits to, so he can give that extra money away. SPREAD THE WEALTH BABY.

[cal50]

If you read it, McCain said to expedite the first $15 billion, and then see how that works, if it doesn't help then look at some more money. Maybe, with Obama wanting to spread the wealth, you will be more than happy to take a pay cut, so he can give that to the people who dont care to work for a living. Also you might want to pay for your benefits to, so he can give that extra money away. SPREAD THE WEALTH BABY.

 

 

 

Some people are not good at reading.

[fordxer]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081026/mccain_autos.html?.v=1

 

This is from Today Sunday the 26th, if anyone was on the fence this should finalize your decision...funny how he wasnt worried about his rich Wall Street pals

 

Read more than the first line.

 

"McCain, in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," noted that Congress had recently approved $25 billion in low-interest loans to help the auto industry build more fuel-efficient vehicles. He said the industry should receive the funding before more is added."

 

What is wrong with that.

[Fatso]

The economy in general around the entire globe, is hurting right now.The Federal Reserve Board kept interest rates too low for too long.This idea of simply printing more money has with it a serious downside called inflation.A dollar bill or in this case ,a billion dollar bill is only good/valuable if I have one and you don`t.Someone in our society needs to pick up trash and flip burgers and better it is your child than mine.The solution is to keep taxes high, while simultaneously lowering interest rates for people who save money and for business between banks themselves-ONLY.Don`t blame John McCain for the whole mess.Blame the pathetic,spineless,television zombies we have all turned into as a result of having a soft life living here in America.The land of the World`s richest poor people.Why bother to work and contribute when so much is given away free and if you complain sometimes you get even more,like the taxpayers paying off your mortgage for you!$700,000,000,000 tax dollars that could of been spent on hospitals,roads and bridges instead of 'BAILING-OUT' Wall Street,,,,,,jump fuckers!Oh,,and about 'our' 401K`s,,,well re-read the part about keeping interest rates too low for too long and you will see how it all got 'suckered' into Wall Street.Buddy ,can you spare a few billion?

Edited October 27, 2008 by Fatso

[Trimdingman]

If you read it, McCain said to expedite the first $15 billion, and then see how that works, if it doesn't help then look at some more money. Maybe, with Obama wanting to spread the wealth, you will be more than happy to take a pay cut, so he can give that to the people who dont care to work for a living. Also you might want to pay for your benefits to, so he can give that extra money away. SPREAD THE WEALTH BABY.

 

 

Obama will turn the USA into a new USSR. There will be higher welfare payments for the ghettos, and higher taxes to pay for it. There will be fewer jobs because people will have less take-home pay to spend. There will be more non-productive government beaurocrats to administer these programs, and more social workers. This kind of system leads to everybody eventually being on welfare, and public works projects being done using slave labor by political prisoners who spoke out against the changes. The only way to wealth would be to suck up to the party. The population would soon be too large to feed, so people would start to disappear. This is the end result of socialism. This is what people used to come to America to escape from.

Edited October 27, 2008 by Trimdingman

[kel25]

Obama will turn the USA into a new USSR. There will be higher welfare payments for the ghettos, and higher taxes to pay for it. There will be fewer jobs because people will have less take-home pay to spend. There will be more non-productive government beaurocrats to administer these programs, and more social workers. This kind of system leads to everybody eventually being on welfare, and public works projects being done using slave labor by political prisoners who spoke out against the changes. The only way to wealth would be to suck up to the party. The population would soon be too large to feed, so people would start to disappear. This is the end result of socialism. This is what people used to come to America to escape from.

I could'nt have said it better myself!!!

[Dadzee]

LOL. THAT is about the funniest load of crap I have read in eons. You are not usually this inane T&D, heck never that I can remember.

 

Are you just trying to stir stuff up for a boring pre layoff week or poke fun at the desperation tactics currently being implemented by McCain's camp ?

 

Obama will turn the USA into a new USSR. There will be higher welfare payments for the ghettos, and higher taxes to pay for it. There will be fewer jobs because people will have less take-home pay to spend. There will be more non-productive government beaurocrats to administer these programs, and more social workers. This kind of system leads to everybody eventually being on welfare, and public works projects being done using slave labor by political prisoners who spoke out against the changes. The only way to wealth would be to suck up to the party. The population would soon be too large to feed, so people would start to disappear. This is the end result of socialism. This is what people used to come to America to escape from.

[Dale143]

There are only a few days left until the elections.

Obama has done everything possible to secure the vote.

He pulled so many sneaky fast ones its unbelievable.

If he were a religious leader he would be considered a cult.

In his speeches he himself has called his campaign a movement.

He's lied about his connections with acorn,controversial people, Islam

and on and on.He wants to rob Peter to pay Paul when it comes to taxes,

dismantle our military while others build there's for the sole reason of countering the U.S.

There are a gazillion videos on utube that show how crooked he is straight from the

horses mouth.Why people insist on ignoring all the sneaky conniving lying bullshit i do not know.

But i have my suspicions.Anyway here is my last attempt at swaying your vote before its to late.

 

 

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Q4IrVrkU

[Dadzee]

There are only a few days left until the elections.

Obama has done everything possible to secure the vote.

He pulled so many sneaky fast ones its unbelievable.

If he were a religious leader he would be considered a cult.

In his speeches he himself has called his campaign a movement.

He's lied about his connections with acorn,controversial people, Islam

and on and on.He wants to rob Peter to pay Paul when it comes to taxes,

dismantle our military while others build there's for the sole reason of countering the U.S.

There are a gazillion videos on utube that show how crooked he is straight from the

horses mouth.Why people insist on ignoring all the sneaky conniving lying bullshit i do not know.

But i have my suspicions.Anyway here is my last attempt at swaying your vote before its to late.

 

 

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Q4IrVrkU

 

Damn next thing you know they will let someone with an Irish catholic name in office.....EEEEKK!!

 

Turned it off the minute it lost all credibility by calling attention to the man's middle name. Another straw, weakly grasped for.

[CSMJ]

Obama is NOT giving $ to people who do not work he's giving it too the "working poor" just as Reagan gave the "working poor" the EARNED INCOME CREDIT!!! SO get your fuc/ing facts right next time!!

Everyone at ford against natl healthcare better wake the fuck up!!

U talk shit now but when we loose our insurance you will be wishing for a natl' healthcare system, we got insurance now thats y u all talk shit about saying no to a natl program!!!

Put yourself in a guy's shoes making $30K with no insurance and has sick kids!! Thats the REAL WORLD working and having insurance has SPOILED US ALL!!!

The rich have too MUCH of the countries wealth!! The last time they had this much of a % of wealth was 1929 the year the great depression started!! Too many tax cuts for too few = disaster

[kel25]

LOL. THAT is about the funniest load of crap I have read in eons. You are not usually this inane T&D, heck never that I can remember.

 

Are you just trying to stir stuff up for a boring pre layoff week or poke fun at the desperation tactics currently being implemented by McCain's camp ?

Before 9/11 we never thought somebody would run planes into buildings now we are going to elect osama bin laden oh I mean barack hussein obama as president of the United states great!!!!!!!!

[Dale143]

Before 9/11 we never thought somebody would run planes into buildings now we are going to elect osama bin laden oh I mean barack hussein obama as president of the United states great!!!!!!!!

 

Watch the movies Zeitgeist I and II.There is a section about 911 in one of them that is very informative.

These movies are so interesting you will watch them more than once.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=70...21912&hl=en

[99ktpbirdman]

Obama will turn the USA into a new USSR. There will be higher welfare payments for the ghettos, and higher taxes to pay for it. There will be fewer jobs because people will have less take-home pay to spend. There will be more non-productive government beaurocrats to administer these programs, and more social workers. This kind of system leads to everybody eventually being on welfare, and public works projects being done using slave labor by political prisoners who spoke out against the changes. The only way to wealth would be to suck up to the party. The population would soon be too large to feed, so people would start to disappear. This is the end result of socialism. This is what people used to come to America to escape from.

Not the USSR but the USSA. United Socialist States of America. And it won't be president it will be Chairman Obama. When Obama talks about change he is talking about changing the constitution.

[cal50]

Obama will turn the USA into a new USSR. There will be higher welfare payments for the ghettos, and higher taxes to pay for it. There will be fewer jobs because people will have less take-home pay to spend. There will be more non-productive government beaurocrats to administer these programs, and more social workers. This kind of system leads to everybody eventually being on welfare, and public works projects being done using slave labor by political prisoners who spoke out against the changes. The only way to wealth would be to suck up to the party. The population would soon be too large to feed, so people would start to disappear. This is the end result of socialism. This is what people used to come to America to escape from.

 

 

 

Remember the UAW is for Obama who is for the "working man". Sounds like the working man will have to work longer to pay for his ideas. If he wins he will be the next Jimmy Carter but a black version. The funny part is Obama is against "big oil" which is no different than "big auto" or any company that makes a profit. How the UAW can back this clown is amazing. Tax any business big or small and the business either passes the cost to the customer,makes the employees take a hit or moves the business else ware. The last thing our crappy economy needs is any idiot that wants to put even more drag on it. I am not thrilled at either candidate but between the two choices there is no way in hell I would vote democrat this time around. With the possibility of a democrat president AND both houses anyone working better hang on to your wallet. Smart guy and I hope he learns quick because he does not have a clue. If you think it's bad now the next guy can make it worse.

[Chiefs84]

Barack Obama (AKA David Koresh) will have this country wiped off the map before his first term is over. He will let anyone in the USA without any questions asked. He will tax us to the point that we have no paychecks in hand, just pay stubs. Everyone is ate up to think this man has the best interest of the working man, and the country in mind. Remember he does not want to bless America, he wants to God Damn America. He has been such a mentor and building block in our lives, isn't it sad he believes, and confides in this Jeremiah Wright character.

[trimdumbass]

Yes lets keep Bush's legacy ALIVE!!! :happy feet:

If we can't have the man himself,we had better get the heir apparent for FOUR MORE YEARS of glorious future!!

 

Resume of GEORGE W. BUSH

 

GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington , DC 20520

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

LAW ENFORCEMENT

 

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine , in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

 

MILITARY

 

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam

 

COLLEGE

 

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

 

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE

 

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland , Texas , in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

 

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor of Texas .

 

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS

 

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union .

 

During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America

 

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

 

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

 

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida , and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

 

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

 

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

 

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

 

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

 

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

 

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

 

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

 

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

 

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

 

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

 

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

 

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

 

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

 

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip- offs in history.

 

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

 

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

 

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

 

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

 

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

 

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

 

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S . "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

 

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

 

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

 

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

 

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

 

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

 

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime.

 

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

 

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

 

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

 

RECORDS AND REFERENCES

 

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

 

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

 

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for publi c review. I am a member of the Republican Party.

[mnm]

There are only a few days left until the elections.

Obama has done everything possible to secure the vote.

He pulled so many sneaky fast ones its unbelievable.

If he were a religious leader he would be considered a cult.

In his speeches he himself has called his campaign a movement.

He's lied about his connections with acorn,controversial people, Islam

and on and on.He wants to rob Peter to pay Paul when it comes to taxes,

dismantle our military while others build there's for the sole reason of countering the U.S.

There are a gazillion videos on utube that show how crooked he is straight from the

horses mouth.Why people insist on ignoring all the sneaky conniving lying bullshit i do not know.

But i have my suspicions.Anyway here is my last attempt at swaying your vote before its to late.

 

 

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=Q4IrVrkU

only an uninformed douchebag would give any credit to that video. your fear make me chuckle.

[kel25]

Yes lets keep Bush's legacy ALIVE!!! :happy feet:

If we can't have the man himself,we had better get the heir apparent for FOUR MORE YEARS of glorious future!!

 

Resume of GEORGE W. BUSH

 

GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington , DC 20520

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

LAW ENFORCEMENT

 

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine , in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

 

MILITARY

 

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam

 

COLLEGE

 

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

 

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE

 

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland , Texas , in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

 

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor of Texas .

 

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS

 

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union .

 

During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America

 

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

 

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

 

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida , and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

 

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

 

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

 

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

 

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

 

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

 

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

 

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

 

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

 

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

 

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

 

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

 

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

 

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

 

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip- offs in history.

 

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

 

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

 

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

 

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

 

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

 

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

 

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S . "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

 

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

 

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

 

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

 

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

 

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

 

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

 

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime.

 

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

 

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

 

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

 

RECORDS AND REFERENCES

 

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

 

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

 

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for publi c review. I am a member of the Republican Party.

I didnt think bush was running for president this election?

[BioDiesel]

Carly Fiorina, McCain's "financial advisor", AND, if I may add, the failed and disgraced CEO of Hewlitt- Packard, just said one hour ago on CNBC that the American auto companies deserve to fail if they can't "compete". Also stated just now that ANY ONE failed automaker will cost a minimum of one million jobs in the U.S. alone. SO. For the sake of our individual economic viability and continued middle class standard of living, the Republicans must not win this election. I am an independant and I vote my wallet, period. I own guns and hunt and there is no way any administration can or will take away that right, so don't let that be an issue with you. Taxes WILL rise no matter who becomes President because they cannot possibly NOT rise because of the costly war in IRAQ and the Wall Street bailout, crumbling infrastructure and other complicated factors, period. WAKE UP WORKING CLASS! A McCain presidency will be the end of us! Homelessness and starvation with no health care do not appeal to me at this point in my life. Keep your latent racial prejudices, if any, in the closet until November 5th, and on November 4th, vote for and elect Barack Obama. He is definately not the greatest person to head our nation, but, at this point in time he is the only choice. My name is BioDiesel and I approve this message.

[Pioneer]

I didnt think bush was running for president this election?

 

 

His twin brother John is.

[lovelincolns]

Remember the UAW is for Obama who is for the "working man". Sounds like the working man will have to work longer to pay for his ideas. If he wins he will be the next Jimmy Carter but a black version. The funny part is Obama is against "big oil" which is no different than "big auto" or any company that makes a profit. How the UAW can back this clown is amazing. Tax any business big or small and the business either passes the cost to the customer,makes the employees take a hit or moves the business else ware. The last thing our crappy economy needs is any idiot that wants to put even more drag on it. I am not thrilled at either candidate but between the two choices there is no way in hell I would vote democrat this time around. With the possibility of a democrat president AND both houses anyone working better hang on to your wallet. Smart guy and I hope he learns quick because he does not have a clue. If you think it's bad now the next guy can make it worse.

 

Unfortunately the UAW would endorse a rock if it was running as a Democrat. I thought they were smarter than that.

[kel25]

His twin brother John is.

I thought his brothers name was Jeb.

[CBGB]

Unfortunately the UAW would endorse a rock if it was running as a Democrat. I thought they were smarter than that.

Heard Gettelfinger going to get a high ranking government job if NoBama wins.

Edited October 28, 2008 by CBGB

[fordxer]

Unfortunately the UAW would endorse a rock if it was running as a Democrat. I thought they were smarter than that.

Not to mention Hitler, Stalin, Hussein... Wait a minute Hussein is running!!!!!