Sign Petition for Obama to show his Real birth cirtificate

[macattak1]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550

 

Electoral College should be investigating this also.

Obama is going to have a court challenge to every document he signs if he does not show proof.

 

Peace and Blessings

[sprinter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0 :happy feet:

[macattak1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0 :happy feet:

 

Wow!

 

Peace and Blessings

[suv_guy_19]

Don't you think that the government may have investigated this already?

[No_Fear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0 :happy feet:

 

I love it when the fellow in the back row raises his hand and what's that lady up front doing......grading papers?

[macattak1]

Don't you think that the government may have investigated this already?

 

I would think that it would have become law or part of the process to have a Birth Cert on record when you run for higher office.

 

The silence though is deafening.

 

Peace and BLessings

[retro-man]

Follow your links. One of the "many" suits filed on this subject also alleges that John McCain is a citizen by statute only (having been born in Panama) and not a "natural-born" citizen as required by the constitution.

 

I would be the last to make light of the constitutional requirements - and I acknowledge all the noble sounding arguments about not wanting to erode the rule of law and compromise our ideals (notwithstanding warrantless wiretapping, legalized torture (that McCain rightly decried in his campaign), lying to congress and all the other abuses we have witnessed for the past 8 years), which arguments - let's face it - in the case of 99% of those espousing them do nothing more than to obfuscate a festering partisan rancor and a desperate desire to overturn the popular will by any means available. So, supposing there is a case (notwithstanding that several such cases have already been dismissed), and supposing the election, and Obama's candidacy is ruled invalid. What do you think would be the practical effect on the country and the world? Use your head. You always sign your posts "Peace and Blessings" - while you seem to wish for nothing so much as chaos and despair. Perhaps that's how you should be signing your posts. Are you so insulated in your ideological cocoon that you can't see this?

Edited November 28, 2008 by retro-man

[Mark B. Morrow]

Follow your links. One of the "many" suits filed on this subject also alleges that John McCain is a citizen by statute only (having been born in Panama) and not a "natural-born" citizen as required by the constitution.

 

I would be the last to make light of the constitutional requirements - and I acknowledge all the noble sounding arguments about not wanting to erode the rule of law and compromise our ideals (notwithstanding warrantless wiretapping, legalized torture (that McCain rightly decried in his campaign), lying to congress and all the other abuses we have witnessed for the past 8 years), which arguments - let's face it - in the case of 99% of those espousing them do nothing more than to obfuscate a festering partisan rancor and a desperate desire to overturn the popular will by any means available. So, supposing there is a case (notwithstanding that several such cases have already been dismissed), and supposing the election, and Obama's candidacy is ruled invalid. What do you think would be the practical effect on the country and the world? Use your head. You always sign your posts "Peace and Blessings" - while you seem to wish for nothing so much as chaos and despair. Perhaps that's how you should be signing your posts. Are you so insulated in your ideological cocoon that you can't see this?

 

 

Well said Retroman.

 

These ridiculous arguments that Obama isn't a natural citizen are the last grasps at straws. The State of Hawaii has confirmed that Barack obama was born in Honolulu.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_..._disclosed.html

[retro-man]

Oh but Mark, haven't you heard that factcheck.org is part of the vast liberal media conspiracy? I have. Right here on BON.

[methos]

Follow your links. One of the "many" suits filed on this subject also alleges that John McCain is a citizen by statute only (having been born in Panama) and not a "natural-born" citizen as required by the constitution.

 

I would be the last to make light of the constitutional requirements - and I acknowledge all the noble sounding arguments about not wanting to erode the rule of law and compromise our ideals (notwithstanding warrantless wiretapping, legalized torture (that McCain rightly decried in his campaign), lying to congress and all the other abuses we have witnessed for the past 8 years), which arguments - let's face it - in the case of 99% of those espousing them do nothing more than to obfuscate a festering partisan rancor and a desperate desire to overturn the popular will by any means available. So, supposing there is a case (notwithstanding that several such cases have already been dismissed), and supposing the election, and Obama's candidacy is ruled invalid. What do you think would be the practical effect on the country and the world? Use your head. You always sign your posts "Peace and Blessings" - while you seem to wish for nothing so much as chaos and despair. Perhaps that's how you should be signing your posts. Are you so insulated in your ideological cocoon that you can't see this?

 

I also have to agree - well said.

Edited November 29, 2008 by methos

[macattak1]

Follow your links. One of the "many" suits filed on this subject also alleges that John McCain is a citizen by statute only (having been born in Panama) and not a "natural-born" citizen as required by the constitution.

 

I would be the last to make light of the constitutional requirements - and I acknowledge all the noble sounding arguments about not wanting to erode the rule of law and compromise our ideals (notwithstanding warrantless wiretapping, legalized torture (that McCain rightly decried in his campaign), lying to congress and all the other abuses we have witnessed for the past 8 years), which arguments - let's face it - in the case of 99% of those espousing them do nothing more than to obfuscate a festering partisan rancor and a desperate desire to overturn the popular will by any means available. So, supposing there is a case (notwithstanding that several such cases have already been dismissed), and supposing the election, and Obama's candidacy is ruled invalid. What do you think would be the practical effect on the country and the world? Use your head. You always sign your posts "Peace and Blessings" - while you seem to wish for nothing so much as chaos and despair. Perhaps that's how you should be signing your posts. Are you so insulated in your ideological cocoon that you can't see this?

 

There was a suit against McCain and someone else as I recall. Both were simple since they were children of two American Citizens out side the country when he was born. There is no problem there.

 

The suits that I have seen thrown out verses obama were because the plaintiff was said to not have any standing to bring the case in the first place. Funny. A US Citizen has no standing to question the legitimacy of an offical's citizen ship?

 

Arnold also wants to be president. I would be totally and thoroughly disgusted if he and the Republicans or anyone else tried to change the law so that he could be president.

 

I should think the Constitution is the important thing here. I think anyone that runs for any office requiring proof of a certain level of citizen ship should be required to provide it. I wonder what the Clinton supporters would think if they found out he was not eligible/

 

I wish nothing but Chaos and Despair? Nice. Let my words speak for me and yours for you.

 

Peace and Blessings

[macattak1]

Oh but Mark, haven't you heard that factcheck.org is part of the vast liberal media conspiracy? I have. Right here on BON.

 

 

Why are you so affraid to simply ask Obama to please provide a valid hard copy birth cirtificate? People do it all the time? Every time my kids join hockey for the year I have to dig it out. Every time they join baseball I have to dig it out. Certainly the future president of the USA can dig it out.

 

Peace and Blessings

[sprinter]

Follow your links. One of the "many" suits filed on this subject also alleges that John McCain is a citizen by statute only (having been born in Panama) and not a "natural-born" citizen as required by the constitution.

 

I would be the last to make light of the constitutional requirements - and I acknowledge all the noble sounding arguments about not wanting to erode the rule of law and compromise our ideals (notwithstanding warrantless wiretapping, legalized torture (that McCain rightly decried in his campaign), lying to congress and all the other abuses we have witnessed for the past 8 years), which arguments - let's face it - in the case of 99% of those espousing them do nothing more than to obfuscate a festering partisan rancor and a desperate desire to overturn the popular will by any means available. So, supposing there is a case (notwithstanding that several such cases have already been dismissed), and supposing the election, and Obama's candidacy is ruled invalid. What do you think would be the practical effect on the country and the world? Use your head. You always sign your posts "Peace and Blessings" - while you seem to wish for nothing so much as chaos and despair. Perhaps that's how you should be signing your posts. Are you so insulated in your ideological cocoon that you can't see this?

Perhaps you are in the cocoon if you think anything will change under Obama. Presidents are mere puppets and Obama strings will be pulled by the same elite that brought him into power. If he tries to deviate, he will be silenced. Yes, the last eight years with Bush was a knife in the back of humanity. But nothing has changed.

 

The whole election process is rigged so that only the elite’s chosen candidates even have a chance at the presidency. No better example than Ron Paul. Both sides of the media distorted his views and maligned his character. Better to assassinate his character before the election, than have to bloody their hands later.

 

The elite intend on controlling humanity not helping it. We are their cattle. They are the cowboys driving the herd along green grazing pastures and watering holes, all they way to the slaughter house. One only has to examine and have the common sense to be able to tie these events together that control our everyday lives. It is truly amazing how ignorant the common man is. What was kept secret years ago is mostly out in the open today. Read the papers from the CFR’s members, the UN, PNAC or a host of other global governance organizations. Kings have used their power to control the peasants for centuries. The controlling elite want the feudal system back. Destroying the middle class is a necessity in order to gain control and recreate the serf class again. Is this not obviously the direction in which we are headed?

 

So maybe you will wake up to these facts after a couple of years under the rule of puppet Obama. Many will not. They will however be disappointed that the savior they elected ignored their wishes. But just how blind are they? Will he succeed in achieving the goal of two terms in the presidency? Or will they blindly follow the next con man promising a different “Change”?

[retro-man]

Perhaps you are in the cocoon if you think anything will change under Obama. Presidents are mere puppets and Obama strings will be pulled by the same elite that brought him into power. If he tries to deviate, he will be silenced. Yes, the last eight years with Bush was a knife in the back of humanity. But nothing has changed.

 

The whole election process is rigged so that only the elite’s chosen candidates even have a chance at the presidency. No better example than Ron Paul. Both sides of the media distorted his views and maligned his character. Better to assassinate his character before the election, than have to bloody their hands later.

 

The elite intend on controlling humanity not helping it. We are their cattle. They are the cowboys driving the herd along green grazing pastures and watering holes, all they way to the slaughter house. One only has to examine and have the common sense to be able to tie these events together that control our everyday lives. It is truly amazing how ignorant the common man is. What was kept secret years ago is mostly out in the open today. Read the papers from the CFR’s members, the UN, PNAC or a host of other global governance organizations. Kings have used their power to control the peasants for centuries. The controlling elite want the feudal system back. Destroying the middle class is a necessity in order to gain control and recreate the serf class again. Is this not obviously the direction in which we are headed?

 

So maybe you will wake up to these facts after a couple of years under the rule of puppet Obama. Many will not. They will however be disappointed that the savior they elected ignored their wishes. But just how blind are they? Will he succeed in achieving the goal of two terms in the presidency? Or will they blindly follow the next con man promising a different “Change”?

I have no dispute with what you are saying.

[Edstock]

I have no dispute with what you are saying.

Me, either.

 

If there is cause for hope, it is in the size of the neo-con Ponzi melt-down, which has started to take apart the financial channels controlled by this elite.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Why are you so affraid to simply ask Obama to please provide a valid hard copy birth cirtificate? People do it all the time? Every time my kids join hockey for the year I have to dig it out. Every time they join baseball I have to dig it out. Certainly the future president of the USA can dig it out.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

 

He did produce it. It was viewed by the FactCheck group. It was issued by the State of Hawaii and bears the official raised seal. In addition, the director of the Hawaii records department has publicly stated that the certificate is legitimate.

 

What more do you want? Should he send it directly to you? The people who have brought these lawsuits are nutjobs. Yes I know Phil Berg is a lawyer and a former deputy in the PA Attorney General's office. Every lawyer atttached to the AG's office is a deputy and not all lawyers are brilliant or even sane. Trust me on that, I have been in practice for 20 years and have met some lawyers who should be living in a rubber room.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[RangerM]

Me, either.

 

If there is cause for hope, it is in the size of the neo-con Ponzi melt-down, which has started to take apart the financial channels controlled by this elite.

 

People only have as much influence in our lives as we ascribe to them.

 

If you have no debt, why would you care what the "neo-con elite" do in the financial sector? Dollar plumetting? Trade your dollars for Euros, Yuan, gold or something else.

 

And I love how this is a right-wing exclusive. In fact, control is desired by both sides.

 

From my perspective, it seems as though the left's dream of utopia is to have us all living in individual cells of the hive (apartments that we rent, of course), and end the era of personal property under the auspices of "saving the environment" from the ravages of urban sprawl and man-made global warming.

 

It's the left's dream to have the Government control your healthcare, your retirement, your education, and a host of other factors important in defining your individual freedom, all while convincing you that you are incapable of taking care of yourself (mainly through fear). The strings tied to your arms, legs and head were tied there by you when you vote to have someone else take care of you.

 

That may not be serfdom, but it's voluntary permanent peasantry.

 

You may want to consider exactly whose pawn/puppet you are: Black or White (as in a chessboard), Right or Left, Republican or Democrat. You may want to decide if you are going to be one at all.

[sprinter]

He did produce it. It was viewed by the FactCheck group. It was issued by the State of Hawaii and bears the official raised seal. In addition, the director of the Hawaii records department has publicly stated that the certificate is legitimate.

 

What more do you want? Should he send it directly to you? The people who have brought these lawsuits are nutjobs. Yes I know Phil Berg is a lawyer and a former deputy in the PA Attorney General's office. Every lawyer atttached to the AG's office is a deputy and not all lawyers are brilliant or even sane. Trust me on that, I have been in practice for 20 years and have met some lawyers who should be living in a rubber room.

 

 

What the people are requesting is a “Certificate Of Live Birth” which is a detailed document. What has been presented on Factcheck.org is a “Certification Of Live Birth”. This can be obtained by the mother and father for a child born at home. The “Certificate” copy shows the hospital the person was born in. Obama’s family has made claim he was born in a hospital. Depending upon the interview, the hospital of birth changes. However, Berg’s claim is that Obama was born in Kenya and later registered as being born in Hawaii. Berg is also claiming the post copies of Obama’s Certification of live birth have also been forged. (http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/17-certificate-of-live-birth-analysis-part-one)

 

My concern the secrecy surrounding this issue. Obama has refused to release a detailed version of his birth along with school records while attending Harvard Law School and Columbia University. That is an indication the person is trying to hide something. With the secrecy and cover-ups during the Bush administration, do the real citizens of the United States deserve more? If he wants to give us real “change” then Obama should start here.

[Edstock]

People only have as much influence in our lives as we ascribe to them.

That's nice. And your point is?

 

If you have no debt, why would you care what the "neo-con elite" do in the financial sector?

Think about that for a minute.

 

Even if you have no debt, you buy things and pay taxes, and own things that you might want to sell, like a house or a cottage. Being concerned about your currency is critical, as the Romans found out. Capice?

 

Dollar plumetting? Trade your dollars for Euros, Yuan, gold or something else.

Sure, you just go visit your local bank and do that. However the gang with the investment bankers and the off-shore accounts follow this sort of thing rather assiduously.

 

And I love how this is a right-wing exclusive. In fact, control is desired by both sides.

Except for FDR's New Deal and the GI Bill, the financial channels have been conservative controlled and created, from even before the founding of the Republic, so, if you're a conservative, there's a lot to like with the system controlled and owned by this elite. Control has been desired by the other side as it became apparent that the gang running the money machine were more interested in getting as much money out of it into their hands, than promoting the general welfare.

 

What's the point? The point is, it's OK to be a competent conservative; it's NOT OK to be an incompetent conservative. When America's conservative mainstream finally figure out that the rich political/financial elite do not have their best interests at heart, then the GOP may become the party that Abe Lincoln would recognize.

 

From my perspective, it seems as though the left's dream of utopia is to have us all living in individual cells of the hive (apartments that we rent, of course), and end the era of personal property under the auspices of "saving the environment" from the ravages of urban sprawl and man-made global warming.

I can see how you feel about that. It's a population thing in urban areas as a country grows and develops. You know how business likes growth? Well, you have to have more people to buy more food and crap. Yet there's no more land, so something's got to give. Thus the condo.

It's the left's dream to have the Government control your healthcare, your retirement, your education, and a host of other factors important in defining your individual freedom, all while convincing you that you are incapable of taking care of yourself (mainly through fear). The strings tied to your arms, legs and head were tied there by you when you vote to have someone else take care of you.

Well, government-run universal education seems to be a done deal, that is mainstream, not socialist.

Public Health and Food and Drug seems like a good idea.

Financial supervision seems to be a good idea, in the light of recent events. Or do you think we should still trust the gang?

So government will be in "control" because ethical, non-cheating behavior seems to be rare, as evidence to the contrary abounds. We have building codes because . . .

That may not be serfdom, but it's voluntary permanent peasantry.

Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization". More people, more "civilization". So it goes. A US of 400 million people will have more government than a US of 330 million. Life gets more complex, not less.

Is the US population to level off? How will that affect growth-oriented business? How big should the US population get?

 

Deny it or shape it. Re-active or pro-active. GM/Chrysler herd delusional management, or Bill Ford.

[RangerM]

That's nice. And your point is?

The point is that so many are willing to engage in conspiracy theory; "They" "The Elite" "Them"

 

Life is not as complicated as many would have us believe

 

Think about that for a minute.

 

Even if you have no debt, you buy things and pay taxes, and own things that you might want to sell, like a house or a cottage. Being concerned about your currency is critical, as the Romans found out. Capice?

 

Sure, you just go visit your local bank and do that. However the gang with the investment bankers and the off-shore accounts follow this sort of thing rather assiduously.

 

Again, if you have no debt, it is very difficult to exert influence. I suggest you think about it. Even if I do have a house payment, those that incur more and have more debt than me serve as my buffer against the influence. Yes I pay taxes and I buy things, but it is awfully difficult to get to (aka hurt me) without going through those who are in a worse debt position than I am. In order to get to me, the "powers that be" will have to go through them first, and by the time they get to me, the power will have shifted.

 

Except for FDR's New Deal and the GI Bill, the financial channels have been conservative controlled and created, from even before the founding of the Republic, so, if you're a conservative, there's a lot to like with the system controlled and owned by this elite. Control has been desired by the other side as it became apparent that the gang running the money machine were more interested in getting as much money out of it into their hands, than promoting the general welfare.

 

Please define "general welfare". Does it mean that we are supplied (by the Government) with job security, all the healthcare we need, and a public education? If so, what price are you willing to pay?

I may not be willing to give up as much to the Government as you. Does that mean I should be coerced?

 

What's the point? The point is, it's OK to be a competent conservative; it's NOT OK to be an incompetent conservative. When America's conservative mainstream finally figure out that the rich political/financial elite do not have their best interests at heart, then the GOP may become the party that Abe Lincoln would recognize.

Incompetence should not be tolerated by anyone, no matter what political side he/she may fall on. You believe that we have seen the zenith of incompetence in the last few years. If the U.S. is turned into a massive (general) welfare state, because it's believed to be what's best for the country, then I'd say any incompetence we've seen lately will pale by comparison.

I can see how you feel about that. It's a population thing in urban areas as a country grows and develops. You know how business likes growth? Well, you have to have more people to buy more food and crap. Yet there's no more land, so something's got to give. Thus the condo.

People should be free to live in condos, hives, houses, communes, convents, or whatever other form of homestead they wish. It is wrong to prevent persons from owning/using their property as they see fit. (not that I advocate willfull violations of law, but the law is being used to encroach on our individual freedoms)

 

Well, government-run universal education seems to be a done deal, that is mainstream, not socialist.

Public Health and Food and Drug seems like a good idea.

Financial supervision seems to be a good idea, in the light of recent events. Or do you think we should still trust the gang?

Universal government-run education is a primary reason our children fall behind in comparison to their peers in Europe and parts of Asia. If you'd be willing, I'd like to invite you to see John Stossell's "Stupid in America". Link to video

So government will be in "control" because ethical, non-cheating behavior seems to be rare, as evidence to the contrary abounds. We have building codes because . . .

We have building codes because we lost the concept of "Buyer Beware". Example: After I paid my architect to design my house, I paid a licensed structural engineer to certify the plans as sound. I never needed the County's certification to know the house passed muster. I just had to pay them for the privilege of building my house. I also didn't need them to inspect the house. I just had to pay them for the privilege.

Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization". More people, more "civilization". So it goes. A US of 400 million people will have more government than a US of 330 million. Life gets more complex, not less.

Is the US population to level off? How will that affect growth-oriented business? How big should the US population get?

 

Deny it or shape it. Re-active or pro-active. GM/Chrysler herd delusional management, or Bill Ford.

When you define "civilization" as residing in an orderly, planned society, you have basically said that civilization is nothing more than man's separation from his own excrement (this is a paraphrase of a quote I heard once). Persons living within cities have no idea how to live without them and what it really takes to support themselves and how to survive. In that way, they are lesser men.

 

The American population needs to spread out. Too many busy worker bees living in hives have left us vulnerable to the effects of loss of our civilization. Most ironic, you will find a more "civilized" society (that being people more civil to one another) walking the streets of downtown Lillington, NC than Philadelphia, PA.

 

My grandfather (living in rural WV) could care less what happens on Wall Street. What he can't buy, he'll make. What he can't make, he'll grow. What he can't grow, he likely didn't need anyway.

[macattak1]

Some times conspiracy theories turn out to be true.

 

Regardless, what is so conspiratorial for people to want Obama to provide his birth certificate? Nothing conspiratorial about it. Just provide a Valid Birth Certificate if you can. If you can not...

 

I wonder. How many people don't have a problem with Obama not providing his Birth Cert are the same people that take the "you would not run from the police if you had nothing to hide" position. Seems to me that there are a number of people that have taken that position before. Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide. But now those people are taking the opposite tac regarding Obama?

 

And I am not saying you are one of those people Ranger. Just wondering out loud is all.

 

Peace and Blessings

[RangerM]

Some times conspiracy theories turn out to be true.

 

And I am not saying you are one of those people Ranger. Just wondering out loud is all.

 

Peace and Blessings

 

I don't subscribe to the Obama wasn't born in America, therefore he isn't American scenario. My understanding of the law is that if your parent(s) is an American, then you are eligible to be a (naturalized) citizen. But there is no doubt that some conspiracy theories turn out to be true.

 

Just to show that I'm a good sport, I'll add fuel to the fire.

 

Prior to 1972, you could receive a Hawaiian birth certificate well after your date of birth. (link to Hawaiian Government website explaining this)

[Mark B. Morrow]

Why are you so affraid to simply ask Obama to please provide a valid hard copy birth cirtificate? People do it all the time? Every time my kids join hockey for the year I have to dig it out. Every time they join baseball I have to dig it out. Certainly the future president of the USA can dig it out.

 

Peace and Blessings

Not that it will satisfy the conspiracy theorists:

 

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

 

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

 

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

 

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

 

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961

 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

 

He was born August 4 and the original certificate was issued August 8, 1961. If he had been born in Kenya, It would have been highly unlikely that he could have traveled from Kenya to Hawaii at 4 days old. It ia also unlikely that his mother would have made such a trip so soon after giving birth. Air travel from Africa would have been very expensive and there were no planes capable of direct non-stop flights between Kenya and Hawaii in 1961.

Edited November 30, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[macattak1]

I don't subscribe to the Obama wasn't born in America, therefore he isn't American scenario. My understanding of the law is that if your parent(s) is an American, then you are eligible to be a (naturalized) citizen. But there is no doubt that some conspiracy theories turn out to be true.

 

Just to show that I'm a good sport, I'll add fuel to the fire.

 

Prior to 1972, you could receive a Hawaiian birth certificate well after your date of birth. (link to Hawaiian Government website explaining this)

 

 

I don't understand much about it either.

 

What I am learning and I say 'learning' is because no one has come forward anywhere that I have seen and dispelled it as false; is that a Certificate of Live Birth or short form or what ever does not equal a Certified Birth Certificate that is a long form and a legal document for legal verification.

 

That if you have a parent not a US citizen and a Parent that is a US citizen that one may claim US citizenship for their child or not. That the Father's citizen ship may or does set the child's citizenship over the mothers.

 

All sorts of little things like that.

 

And all I am left with is why Obama has not provided the Birth Certificate (long form) to the courts if they are asking for it and why he has not made it available to the public? Because certinaly once he runs for president he gives up a whole lot of privacy. If he does not like that I don't know what to say to him other than it comes with the territory, the pay, the responsibility, the power, and the trust.

 

Right now I dont trust him. Why should I? If he made it available to the public and no one could prove other than that it is a legal copy 99% of this could and would go away. But that is on him. No me, not you, not anyone else.

 

Peace and Blessings

[macattak1]

Not that it will satisfy the conspiracy theorists:

 

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

 

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

 

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

 

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

 

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961

 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

 

He was born August 4 and the original certificate was issued August 8, 1961. If he had been born in Kenya, It would have been highly unlikely that he could have traveled from Kenya to Hawaii at 4 days old. It ia also unlikely that his mother would have made such a trip so soon after giving birth. Air travel from Africa would have been very expensive and there were no planes capable of direct non-stop flights between Kenya and Hawaii in 1961.

 

It all makes a lot of sense. So does Obama providing the document to the public so that Other people don't have to be stuck in His game he is choosing to play for what ever reason.

 

I am not interested in some conspiracy regarding his birth and plans for his presidency. There is no doubt that there is nothing there. But it did not start there. It started much later.

 

Just produce the document. I really see no reason justifying his refusal. If he has it he could make vapor out of all the ideas floating out there. But he does not. And he sets good people against each other because he will not provide proof. Its just discord being sewn that he could end. People that doubt should not have to be made out as evil or freeks because they have doubt. He could easily end it all but choose not to. His choice. No one elses.

 

Peace and Blessings