17togo Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 [font="Century Gothic"]Obama, is out there saying GM’s best bet is a "structured bankruptcy" and that everyone needs to give more. Is this our best hope? I for one feel like we have given enough. Clinton did the same thing (stabbed us in the back) in 1993 and we said nothing and here we go again. Our Dues paid for thi s one as well. Do you think the U.A.W will ask for a refund?[/font] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of time Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 [font="Century Gothic"]Obama, is out there saying GM’s best bet is a "structured bankruptcy" and that everyone needs to give more. Is this our best hope? I for one feel like we have given enough. Clinton did the same thing (stabbed us in the back) in 1993 and we said nothing and here we go again. Our Dues paid for thi s one as well. Do you think the U.A.W will ask for a refund?[/font] Your dues did not pay for this. But Clinton did stab us, in the back. but given his job vs the bush's. clinton was much more labor friendly. Just the FACTS. Mabey its time for a labor party. Ol Ross P. was right about NAFTA. that giant sucking sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker/driver Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Only V-CAP funds can go to political campaigns. It is illegal to use our regular dues, or force anyone to contribute to a political fund through dues. Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected. V-CAP is strictly voluntary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17togo Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Only V-CAP funds can go to political campaigns. It is illegal to use our regular dues, or force anyone to contribute to a political fund through dues. Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected. V-CAP is strictly voluntary. I stand corrected on the Dues, your right. But the V-Cap fund was used to support this president and to help get him elected. We have worked our butts off for Obama and I don't think we deserve (2 months after he gets in) to be thrown under the bus. We had no help in D.C. before and we have no help now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktp22 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Only V-CAP funds can go to political campaigns. It is illegal to use our regular dues, or force anyone to contribute to a political fund through dues. Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected. V-CAP is strictly voluntary. "Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected" I hope you really don't believe that. The uaw spends millions on "educational" ads. Educational ads may not, tell you who to vote for, but they defiantlly help get people elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelincolns Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Your dues did not pay for this. But Clinton did stab us, in the back. but given his job vs the bush's. clinton was much more labor friendly. Just the FACTS. Mabey its time for a labor party. Ol Ross P. was right about NAFTA. that giant sucking sound Articles I have been reading are saying Obama is demanding more than Bush did. What gives? Obama was supposed to be union's friend. Did he lie about hat too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester13 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 [quote name='lovelincolns' date='Ap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester13 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Articles I have been reading are saying Obama is demanding more than Bush did. What gives? Obama was supposed to be union's friend. Did he lie about hat too? CHIEF OF STAFF: There were 3 Brazillian auto plants closed today due to the economy... OBAMA : How many is a Brazillian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 lol....so your mad about what? That Gm ran its shit into the ground and that most americans want them to go bankrupt and congress representing its constituents might let them. Its Obama's fault. I guess we have different hopes then. I hope Obama can keep GM solvent and keep the suppliers paid, so we don't lose our company. I hope that he can get Congress and the rethugies to let GM employees and retirees have something to live on. I don't expcet him to walk on water and bring Lazarus (GM) back from the dead. Whats the other choice keep loaning GM 30 billion every two months? lol...good luck there. The auto industry goes the way of the dinosaurs before them, just like Steel did. Not to mention that GM has $177 to $179 billion dollars in loans outstanding. Those of us in the auto industry are but a very small minority within the Democratic Party. We don't carry the weight like we used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17togo Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 "Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected" I hope you really don't believe that. The uaw spends millions on "educational" ads. Educational ads may not, tell you who to vote for, but they defiantlly help get people elected. I already conceded that in the post prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm2607 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Not to mention that GM has $177 to $179 billion dollars in loans outstanding. Those of us in the auto industry are but a very small minority within the Democratic Party. We don't carry the weight like we used to. Len you say "those of us in the auto industry", just curious, which plant do you work at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 lol....so your mad about what? That Gm ran its shit into the ground and that most americans want them to go bankrupt and congress representing its constituents might let them. Its Obama's fault. I guess we have different hopes then. I hope Obama can keep GM solvent and keep the suppliers paid, so we don't lose our company. I hope that he can get Congress and the rethugies to let GM employees and retirees have something to live on. I don't expcet him to walk on water and bring Lazarus (GM) back from the dead. Whats the other choice keep loaning GM 30 billion every two months? lol...good luck there. The auto industry goes the way of the dinosaurs before them, just like Steel did. Are you a GM employee??? Salary?? "so we don't lose our company" :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dork270 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 CHIEF OF STAFF: There were 3 Brazillian auto plants closed today due to the economy... OBAMA : How many is a Brazillian? Now THAT is some funny sh!t right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Only V-CAP funds can go to political campaigns. It is illegal to use our regular dues, or force anyone to contribute to a political fund through dues. Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected. V-CAP is strictly voluntary. Here is a question I have asked for years. How do you stop them from taking VCAP out of your paycheck? Anyone please? I dont give on my taxes for the Presidential Campaign Fund either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTPfornow Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Here is a question I have asked for years. How do you stop them from taking VCAP out of your paycheck? Anyone please? I dont give on my taxes for the Presidential Campaign Fund either. You have to get a form from your local. Don't let them tell they don't have one. After you finally get one from the local try to make a copy so when it gets thrown out you have a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitFanz Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Are you a GM employee??? Salary?? "so we don't lose our company" :shades: GM has many of the same suppliers as Ford. If those suppliers don't get paid and are forced to close or go bankrupt, it it could hurt Ford dramatically. That would be a bad thing................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 GM has many of the same suppliers as Ford. If those suppliers don't get paid and are forced to close or go bankrupt, it it could hurt Ford dramatically. That would be a bad thing................................. I remember at the end of last year Ford saying they are looking and trying to get backup plans in place in case this happens. Hopefully they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitFanz Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I remember at the end of last year Ford saying they are looking and trying to get backup plans in place in case this happens. Hopefully they did. Seems like it would be a smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Only V-CAP funds can go to political campaigns. It is illegal to use our regular dues, or force anyone to contribute to a political fund through dues. Please do not spread the myth that our monthly dues help people get elected. V-CAP is strictly voluntary. Are you trying to say that the UAW does not lobby for legislation and/or candidates? Where does the UAW get it's funding? Point taken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I remember at the end of last year Ford saying they are looking and trying to get backup plans in place in case this happens. Hopefully they did.I hope so. These's so many suppliers on the brink of bankruptcy themselves, it won't take much to shut a few down, maybe permanently. We've already seen one small Tier 1 shut down a GM assembly plant, and a Chrysler assembly plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 :reading: lol..you have to sign up for VCAP. So you have to unsign up? How is it that hard? Hey ljcdad......So if Bush was still in , would your opinion on blame be different? Why would we give bam a pass on His contribution to this....Bush , bad policy by gm , fannie and freddie , greedy bankers all contributed so of course bam is not totally to blame ....but he is the president now and since novemeber his words and deeds effect everything right? Bush gets his deserved blame and rightfully so , but this is bams baby now and if it goes down they ALL get the blame including the bammer!! Just me two cents!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourtJester Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Dude, i don't fault Bush for GM. I can't say if i would be totally objective if bush or McCain were in office. Since November my opinion about GM has changed. At first i was rabidly opposed to any sorts of "pre-package bankruptcy" but the longer GM goes about it as business as usual the more i understand how the rest of america feels. To be honest i don't think i'd give him the same open-mindedness about it. I've never trusted his motives and i still don't. Consider it a victory for you. Although i think we both are the same way. I think your more willing to go along with Bush than with Obama. Reading your posts you seem to distrust Obama the way i distrust bush. Bush ran our country into the dirt. Obama is sweeping up the mess. The word "socialism" is thrown around by republicans to scare people into not supporting anything Obama is doing. The deal is that GM wants billions of dollars from the government in low interest loans- I'm GLAD Obama is making them restructure. That is the only chance the GM workers have to save their jobs. That said, Bush isn't responsible for GM in a direct manner. However, he is responsible for all of the downturn in the economy by dragging us into 2 wars with no conclusions, allowing "free trade" with China and India(Already set in place, he just expanded it) and I could go on and on. Let's not forget he is great friends with the Saudi Royal family~ who control oil prices through OPEC. It truly bothers me that people bag on Obama when he's not even been in office more than a few months. he didn't make this mess, he's not for big business- he's for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 no i work for Ford. Hourly. If GM goes under it fubars the suppliers which could force us into bankruptcy. They deserve it then...them fks been outsourcing our jobs for years.......They used to be structured so that they were vertically intergrated, now that they have sourced all this work to outside suppliers (ex ford guys) they are scared because they rely on them...goood for them, maybe they will learn a hard lesson......KEEP OUR WORK INSIDE DUMBASSES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17togo Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 They deserve it then...them fks been outsourcing our jobs for years.......They used to be structured so that they were vertically intergrated, now that they have sourced all this work to outside suppliers (ex ford guys) they are scared because they rely on them...goood for them, maybe they will learn a hard lesson......KEEP OUR WORK INSIDE DUMBASSES!! I agree 100%, Henry Ford said that he would make everything in house, so not to be held hostage by anyone. Outsourcing take the companys power away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER66 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 How to remove VCAP- You have to go to your financial committee and request the paper work, they will give you the run-a-round but you have to keep after them. Fill the paper out and take it back to them and after about two more months it will come off your check. Be ready because the union will come around and harrass you. About 50 of us did this at KTP about ten years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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