Small cars - March 2010 Sales

[waymondospiff]

B-Class (soon to include Fiesta & Mazda2)

Versa - 13,811

Yaris - 4,699

Fit - 4,670

Accent - 4,233

Aveo - 3,979

Rio - 2,231

 

C-Class

Corolla - 29,623

Civic - 22,463

Focus - 19,500

Golf/GTi/Jetta - 12,131

Mazda3 - 11,353

Cobalt - 10,316

Sentra - 8,721

Elantra - 8,225

Forte - 4,830

Impreza - 3,969

Caliber - 2,932

SX4 - 1,245

tC - 1,118

 

Boxy Cars

HHR - 6,167

Soul - 5,106

Cube - 4,218

xB - 1,630

Mazda5 - 1,615

Element - 1,246

Rondo - 932

PT Cruiser - 798

xD - 763

[silvrsvt]

Versa sales are just insane!

[Fgts]

Versa sales are just insane!

 

Ok i get it this is the Detroit problem, that's why the Fiesta/Focus and Cruze/Aveo is needed. Chrysler will have somthing in this area but not before the year is out like GM / Ford.

[mustang_sallad]

Versa sales are just insane!

 

I don't understand how the Versa is a B-segment, it seems to be more in line with C-segment to me, it's not that small! The Nissan Versa is just a Renault Megane, and if you look at the Renault line up, I'd say the Megane is definitely their C-segment vehicle, it comes in 3-door hatch, 5-door hatch, station wagon, and a coupe-cabriolet just like the Euro Focus. Meanwhile there's the Clio that's solidly in the B-segment and then the Twingo (which is now a hot car! anybody see it on Top Gear?) which is A-segment, along the lines of the Fiat 500.

 

Some dimensions:

Clio:

Wheelbase 2,451 mm (96.5 in)

Length

2009-Present: 4,032 mm (158.7 in)

Width

2009-Present: 1,720 mm (67.7 in)

Wagon: 1,719 mm (67.7 in)

Height 1,497 mm (58.9 in)

 

 

Fiesta:

Wheelbase 2,489 mm (98.0 in)

Length Sedan: 173.6 in (4409 mm)

2011- Hatchback: 160.1 in (4067 mm)

Width 1,722 mm (67.8 in)

Height 2011-: 58.0 in (1473 mm)

 

 

Megane:

 

Wheelbase Sedan & Wagon: 2,686 mm (105.7 in)

Convertible: 2,522 mm (99.3 in)

Length Sedan & Wagon: 4,498 mm (177.1 in)

Convertible: 4,355 mm (171.5 in)

Width 1,777 mm (70.0 in)

Height Sedan: 1,460 mm (57.5 in)

Wagon: 1,505 mm (59.3 in)

Convertible: 1,514 mm (59.6 in)

 

Focus (international)

Wheelbase 2,640 mm (104 in)

 

Length 2008-2010 Hatchback: 4,337 mm (170.7 in)

2008-2010 Saloon: 4,481 mm (176 in)

2008-2010 Estate; 4,468 mm (176 in)

2008-2010 ST: 4,360 mm (172 in)

2008-2010 Coupé cabriolet: 4,509 mm (178 in)

 

Width 2008-2010 Coupé cabriolet: 1,834 mm (72 in)

2008-2010 Saloon, Hatchback & Estate: 1,839 mm (72 in)

 

Height Coupé cabriolet: 1,448 mm (57 in)

2008-2010 Hatchback & Saloon: 1,497 mm (59 in)

2008-2010 Estate: 1,503 mm (59 in) & 1,537 mm (61 in)

Coupé cabriolet: 1,455 mm (57 in)

ST: 1,537 mm (61 in)

 

 

When you look at that, it's pretty clear why the Nissan Versa seems so far ahead of the "rest of the B-segment". It's just a de-contented C-sement, selling a little more than the GOlf.

[NickF1011]

When you look at that, it's pretty clear why the Nissan Versa seems so far ahead of the "rest of the B-segment". It's just a de-contented C-sement, selling a little more than the GOlf.

 

Exactly. The Versa outsells the Sentra every month for good reason.

[dante hicks]

I don't understand how the Versa is a B-segment, it seems to be more in line with C-segment to me, it's not that small!

 

I don't know if those Renault specs are correct, but they're not Versa specs.

Wheelbase 102.4 inches

Track (front/rear) 1480 mm/1485 mm

Length 169.1 inches Hatchback; 175.9 inches Sedan

Width 66.7 inches

Height 60.4 inches

 

http://www.nissanversa.org/specs.shtml

 

Have you been in one? They're small -- significantly smaller than my Focus or Protege5.

[one2gamble]

I am actually surprised by the Foci numbers.

 

When does the new one hit showrooms?

[mustang_sallad]

You know what, maybe i'm wrong about the Versa-Megane relationship. I always assumed they were practically identical cause they look pretty similar and Renault and Nissan are the same company, but I can't find anything confirming that online.

[Pioneer]

I am actually surprised by the Foci numbers.

 

When does the new one hit showrooms?

 

 

Early 2011.

[FordBuyer]

Early 2011.

 

The present Focus is doing surprisingly well considering Ford didn't offer $149/month lease deals like Toyota and it still has dated 4 speed auto and no hatchback. The Focus is hanging in there nicely. I would bet sales will even pick up more as Ford ends production of the present Focus later this year. I know the 2012 Focus will cost at least $3,000 more as far as transaction prices go. The new Focus will be much better of course, but it will also cost much more also. In fact, the Fiesta will probably cost as much as the present Focus. Auto prices are going up out of sight. That is why I don't see any 16 million/year auto sales anytime soon if ever. Or auto companies will just have to keep ratcheting up incentives in order to move the metal off the lots. I personally would rather see more realistic MSRP pricing instead of massive incentives. However, we get escalalting sticker pricing and massive incentives to mitigate the "Sticker Shock."

[waymondospiff]

Versa sales are just insane!

I find it interesting to cut it this way:

Toyota Yaris + Corolla = 34,000

Honda Fit + Civic = 27,000

Nissan Versa + Sentra = 22,500

 

That puts Toyota, Honda, & Nissan in #1, #2, & #3 spots in the B- & C-segments as a whole - just like in midsizers (Camry, Accord, & Altima.) The difference is the Versa /B/ does the heavy lifting for Nissan whereas the Corolla /C/ & Civic /C/ do it for Toyota & Honda.

 

You know what, maybe i'm wrong about the Versa-Megane relationship.

A trip to Wikipedia finds that the Tiida/Versa is related to the Twingo/Clio/Modus, not the Megane.

Edited April 4, 2010 by waymondospiff

[jpd80]

I know the 2012 Focus will cost at least $3,000 more as far as transaction prices go. The new Focus will be much better of course, but it will also cost much more also. In fact, the Fiesta will probably cost as much as the present Focus.

Consumer guide automotive don't think so:

 

2011 Ford Fiesta: MSRP: $13,320 - $17,120

 

Expected pricing for the 2012 Focus is $17,000 to $25,000

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[atvman]

Ford thinks the compact segment is going to be THE segment in the next decade, which is why they are going full blast with the Focus. It may cost more than the outgoing model, but people will expect more from it. I think it will be the first car to really challenge the dominance of the Corolla and Civic.

[jpd80]

Ford thinks the compact segment is going to be THE segment in the next decade, which is why they are going full blast with the Focus. It may cost more than the outgoing model, but people will expect more from it. I think it will be the first car to really challenge the dominance of the Corolla and Civic.

 

Actually, I suspect that Ford feels both C and D segments

are equally important depending on the price of fuel.....

[bzcat]

You know what, maybe i'm wrong about the Versa-Megane relationship. I always assumed they were practically identical cause they look pretty similar and Renault and Nissan are the same company, but I can't find anything confirming that online.

 

 

You are wrong but it's ok. We are all here to learn. :hyper:

 

Versa is a "supersized" B car. It is based on Renault's V-platform which came from Clio. It is obviously a bit bigger than traditional European B-car but it is roughly the same size as Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio, which is generally considered B-segment car in the US. Think of Versa as a modern day equalvanet of Toyota Tercel... remember those? B-car price and feature but slightly bigger than European B-cars. Or remember Suzuki Esteem and Aerio a few years ago? Same concept... B+ size but smaller than your typical C-car. You can definitely tell the Versa is a B-car when you see the sedan... It is almost a foot shorter than your typical C-segment sedan (e.g. Focus, Corolla, Civic etc). Nissan Cube also shares the same platform as well as Nissan Note, Renault Modus, Dacia Logan, Dacia Sandero, and the just revealed at NYC Auto Show, Nissan Juke.

 

Sentra is based on the Megane platform.

Edited April 5, 2010 by bzcat