228electrician Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyuiop Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. http://www.detnews.com/article/20110221/POLITICS02/102210378/1001/Labor-plans-Lansing-lobbying-blitz-Tuesday This is the AFL-CIO blitz, but I can't imagine the UAW being far behind - after all, they are the ones representing most of Michigan's state workforce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFD Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 http://www.detnews.com/article/20110221/POLITICS02/102210378/1001/Labor-plans-Lansing-lobbying-blitz-Tuesday This is the AFL-CIO blitz, but I can't imagine the UAW being far behind - after all, they are the ones representing most of Michigan's state workforce. Not sure if they are or not, I do know that here in Michigan we could not get the teachers or retirees on Board with Virg and Snyder just came out with his budget which is going to tax retiree pensions and cut $450 dollars per student in the school system. Can't say we were not warned about this guy but the citizens of America better wake up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFD Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not sure if they are or not, I do know that here in Michigan we could not get the teachers or retirees on Board with Virg and Snyder just came out with his budget which is going to tax retiree pensions and cut $450 dollars per student in the school system. Can't say we were not warned about this guy but the citizens of America better wake up. How cool is this?? Former Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave guitarist Tom Morello will headline the "Rally for Wisconsin's Workers" "I really think that the future of the rights of working people in this country is not going to be decided in the courts," Morello, "It's not going to be decided in Congress or radio talk shows. The future of rights of working people in this country will be the fight on the streets of Madison, Wisconsin." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain723 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 How cool is this?? Former Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave guitarist Tom Morello will headline the "Rally for Wisconsin's Workers" "I really think that the future of the rights of working people in this country is not going to be decided in the courts," Morello, "It's not going to be decided in Congress or radio talk shows. The future of rights of working people in this country will be the fight on the streets of Madison, Wisconsin." Googled this last night, that is pretty sweet!Tom Morello is a good story in itself and now this. Here is what GB packer Charles Woodson (Michigan Man) had to say about this mess!! Packers cornerback Charles Woodson has placed himself squarely in the corner of the protesters. It is an honor for me to play for the Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers and be a part of the Green Bay and Wisconsin communities,” Woodson said. “I am also honored as a member of the NFL Players Association to stand together with working families of Wisconsin and organized labor in their fight against this attempt to hurt them by targeting unions.” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem12 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Not sure if they are or not, I do know that here in Michigan we could not get the teachers or retirees on Board with Virg and Snyder just came out with his budget which is going to tax retiree pensions and cut $450 dollars per student in the school system. Can't say we were not warned about this guy but the citizens of America better wake up. Wake up? For some reason the unions and the Dems are blaming the politicians. But we seem to forget who put them in office. The population of WI and apparently MI voted them in! From the reporting I have seen and the polls taken the population is still behind the Govenor! He made a promise if elected he would take care of business, now, it seems the unions and Dems can't seem to come to grips with the mandate. The teachers and all public service people best be careful as I see a rude awaking if they don't go back to work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelincolns Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Wake up? For some reason the unions and the Dems are blaming the politicians. But we seem to forget who put them in office. The population of WI and apparently MI voted them in! From the reporting I have seen and the polls taken the population is still behind the Govenor! He made a promise if elected he would take care of business, now, it seems the unions and Dems can't seem to come to grips with the mandate. The teachers and all public service people best be careful as I see a rude awaking if they don't go back to work. Unfortunately it is becoming a very jealous battle nation wide. The Republicans have pitted middle class against middle class very successfully. It boils down to jealousy where if you have better pay and benefits than I do you are the enemy and need to be taken down. I hear it over and over again where people say I don't have coverage like that why should they rather than saying how can I get my coverage to where theirs is. Maybe some sectors are out of whack but that needs to be dealt with through responsible collective bargaining and reasonableness. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) How cool is this?? Former Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave guitarist Tom Morello will headline the "Rally for Wisconsin's Workers" "I really think that the future of the rights of working people in this country is not going to be decided in the courts," Morello, "It's not going to be decided in Congress or radio talk shows. The future of rights of working people in this country will be the fight on the streets of Madison, Wisconsin." Googled this last night, that is pretty sweet!Tom Morello is a good story in itself and now this. Here is what GB packer Charles Woodson (Michigan Man) had to say about this mess!! Packers cornerback Charles Woodson has placed himself squarely in the corner of the protesters. It is an honor for me to play for the Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers and be a part of the Green Bay and Wisconsin communities,” Woodson said. “I am also honored as a member of the NFL Players Association to stand together with working families of Wisconsin and organized labor in their fight against this attempt to hurt them by targeting unions.” Tom Morello in Madison Wisconsin. Edited February 23, 2011 by Aces 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uawxlt Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ohflpfLqrU go wal-mart :happy feet: Edited February 24, 2011 by uawxlt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmont Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. This is not a war on unions this is a common sense starting to emerge. I read these posts and can't believe how dumb America has become. Maybe no one has noticed but we are out of money and you can not have China keep buying our debt. Public sectors unions should not have the right to collective bargaining. I'm so tired of being PC most of you would not serve your Country and if asked you run like the Dem's in WI grown men running out of there state. All of them should be fired. As for our Socialist President get up off your ass and show some leadership. If you need a role model watch some you tube of a real President Ronald Reagan. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. http://www.detnews.com/article/20110223/POLITICS02/102230413/House-gives-broad-powers-over-union-deals-to-emergency-financial-managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanduskyman Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. Michigan will be the next state to start protesting. If not just wait until contract time when they hit us again to take more concessions. That won't go over too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I seen more polls indicating that the people are not happy with what is happening, both nationally and in Wisconsin. Don't use results from respected poling services. It contradicts the repubs made-up, (lies), 'facts", and then they will just have to spend time fabricating more BS, instead of dealing with the real problems. Like the house repubs wasting time passing a budget that has no chance of passing or changing the abortion law. Where are your job creating measures house repubs? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. as taxpayers, none of us should support the Wisconsin public unions 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilTwin Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Don't use results from respected poling services. It contradicts the repubs made-up, (lies), 'facts", and then they will just have to spend time fabricating more BS, instead of dealing with the real problems. Like the house repubs wasting time passing a budget that has no chance of passing or changing the abortion law. Where are your job creating measures house repubs? As I see it....The housing market crash(loss of revenue) and the "Global Economy" (loss of jobs) has helped to create this MESS. Not to mention high gas prices (kill the SUV)and the banking fiasco(kill America). But of course, This would be a great opportunity to kill the unions. Kick-em while their down. Rid us of their evil empire once and for-all. The people in charge are not taking care of the masses. It's time to revolt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBodette68 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Does the UAW have plans on supporting this war or are they already? Was thinking about going and joining in on the protest, if they fail there, Michigan won't be far behind. Its time the whole country listens.Addiction intervention is always painful. Whether it is a junkie on drugs or a nation's addiction to handouts, breaking the habit is a necessary, albeit agonizing, process and people suffer. The present fault does not lie exclusively with the unions that are fighting to maintain their bargaining agreements. The blunder is actually found in our increasingly socialist society and its escalating freebie mentality. We Americans must understand that the national coffers are not an inexhaustible resource and that, when the bottom is reached, then harsh decisions must be made so priorities can be re-established. Ultimately, stinging cuts will have to be made in many areas, and, as a result, people will be injured. This pain serves as a reminder that we should not repeat our mistake of allowing self-serving politicians to deplete the American budget by spending their way into political advancement, even if we would individually benefit from their hypothetical generosity. It's time we Americans find the strength to say no to unrestrained, irresponsible and constitutionally unauthorized government spending before a more cruel and excruciating intervention is required. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem12 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Its time the whole country listens.Addiction intervention is always painful. Whether it is a junkie on drugs or a nation's addiction to handouts, breaking the habit is a necessary, albeit agonizing, process and people suffer. The present fault does not lie exclusively with the unions that are fighting to maintain their bargaining agreements. The blunder is actually found in our increasingly socialist society and its escalating freebie mentality. We Americans must understand that the national coffers are not an inexhaustible resource and that, when the bottom is reached, then harsh decisions must be made so priorities can be re-established. Ultimately, stinging cuts will have to be made in many areas, and, as a result, people will be injured. This pain serves as a reminder that we should not repeat our mistake of allowing self-serving politicians to deplete the American budget by spending their way into political advancement, even if we would individually benefit from their hypothetical generosity. It's time we Americans find the strength to say no to unrestrained, irresponsible and constitutionally unauthorized government spending before a more cruel and excruciating intervention is required. try selling this to 47% of the population 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem12 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 so where is this 5.8 percent of their yearly salary coming from and where does it end up. Wonder if some of it gets shifted to general fund. Have to keep and eye out for that. Tax the unions to pay huh? Just a simple conspiracy theory. have you ever had the same questions about S.S.? Tax the Unons, hell they will eventually tax everyone, it's the government it's what they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Its time the whole country listens.Addiction intervention is always painful. Whether it is a junkie on drugs or a nation's addiction to handouts, breaking the habit is a necessary, albeit agonizing, process and people suffer. The present fault does not lie exclusively with the unions that are fighting to maintain their bargaining agreements. The blunder is actually found in our increasingly socialist society and its escalating freebie mentality. We Americans must understand that the national coffers are not an inexhaustible resource and that, when the bottom is reached, then harsh decisions must be made so priorities can be re-established. Ultimately, stinging cuts will have to be made in many areas, and, as a result, people will be injured. This pain serves as a reminder that we should not repeat our mistake of allowing self-serving politicians to deplete the American budget by spending their way into political advancement, even if we would individually benefit from their hypothetical generosity. It's time we Americans find the strength to say no to unrestrained, irresponsible and constitutionally unauthorized government spending before a more cruel and excruciating intervention is required. Someone gave you a negative rating, yet didn't bother to try and refute your statement. Interesting Maybe when their leaders give them a rebuttal, we might hear back from them 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html?mod=googlenews_wsj If true the fringe benefits almost equal their salary. That combined with the state (IE public) picking up the tab for a nicer retirement package and medical. Who would not want a deal like it? I do not agree with stripping collective bargaining but a higher co-payment of benefits is not unreasonable for the public workers/ public unions. We (Ford) have tossed back our performance bonus, Christmas bonus, COLA for VEBA and a few paid days off. The UAW did this and our income is completely private and directly linked to the sale of retail products. In general the teachers I know tend to look down on the UAW and autoworkers as a whole and several drive foreign cars. Forgive me if I do not rush to support them now but since they are paid by the state and taxpayers its a fight between them for their wages and benefits. If the state is truly on the ropes (as Ford was) then expect some cuts to be made. I doubt you would ever see a teacher or any other union in support on the scale seen if it was the autoworkers in the same situation. I wish them well but I do not see a happy ending for all parties involved. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956.html?mod=googlenews_wsj If true the fringe benefits almost equal their salary. That combined with the state (IE public) picking up the tab for a nicer retirement package and medical. Who would not want a deal like it? I do not agree with stripping collective bargaining but a higher co-payment of benefits is not unreasonable for the public workers/ public unions. We (Ford) have tossed back our performance bonus, Christmas bonus, COLA for VEBA and a few paid days off. The UAW did this and our income is completely private and directly linked to the sale of retail products. In general the teachers I know tend to look down on the UAW and autoworkers as a whole and several drive foreign cars. Forgive me if I do not rush to support them now but since they are paid by the state and taxpayers its a fight between them for their wages and benefits. If the state is truly on the ropes (as Ford was) then expect some cuts to be made. I doubt you would ever see a teacher or any other union in support on the scale seen if it was the autoworkers in the same situation. I wish them well but I do not see a happy ending for all parties involved. They have offered to negoitiate some form of consessions but the Mr. Walker does not care, he is mainly trying to break unions. Union leaders say they would make pension and health care concessions if they can keep their bargaining rights, but Walker has refused to compromise. From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110225/NATION/102250397/Wisconsin-Assembly-passes-bill-taking-away-union-rights#ixzz1F1CaIgHT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 That's why we have the Constitution in the first place. Not to limit Federal Power and Government, but to increase it. Take a moment and look it up. Let me help ......... The term "limited government" may not be found in the Constitution, but the concept of limited government is established in the Constitution by means of the definitions of the powers of the branches of the Government. Each branch has specified responsibilities and powers, and may not exceed those responsibilities and powers under the terms of the Constitution. In other words, the Constitution says what the Government should do, and that's all it can do. That's limited governmentLink More: The Roots of Limited Governmentby Alan Barth, February 1991 The government of the United States, for all its majesty, is a government of limited powers. It operates under the terms of a fundamental charter — a written Constitution — which specifies what it may do, and also what it may not do, and which fixes certain procedures for its dealings with its citizens. Link Limited Government"We the People…" The first and most basic principle of the Constitution—the principle of limited government—begins to emerge in the very first three words of the Preamble. The government of the United States, those three words declare, only exists because We the People choose that it should exist. Link 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS HORSEPOWER Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Madison is gonna be nuts as they are busing people in for today from all the local union halls :-0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The Republicans need to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum. This was written nearly 120 years ago about the middle class and the need for trade unions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBodette68 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The Republicans need to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_Novarum. This was written nearly 120 years ago about the middle class and the need for trade unions. The history of labor unions in the United States began with advocacy for fairness, workplace safety and appropriate reward for one's labor. Unfortunately that history changed course and labor unions became political powers where the welfare of their members became secondary to the political goals of their leadership. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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