America, not the greatest country in the world

[sprinter]

 

A little short video from a HBO program. And how correct he is. And yes America was once the greatest country. But collusion between the politicians and corporations has put the final nail in our coffin. However, even as the top 1% is killing the middle class, they are reaping a huge transfer of wealth into their own pocketbooks. The time has come to hang the bankers of the 'too big to fail banks' and take back our country. Stop listening to the propaganda like 'the terrorists attacked us because of our freedom'. So since we are moving rapidly into a total police state where they monitor ALL of our phone calls, text's, emails, and flying drones watching our every move, will the terrorists stop attacking us? Of course they will because 'Al-cia-da' is our friends and help us in the wars we presently wage in the Middle East.

And who is to blame? We are. We let them do it to us.

[Mark B. Morrow]

 

 

A little short video from a HBO program. And how correct he is. And yes America was once the greatest country. But collusion between the politicians and corporations has put the final nail in our coffin. However, even as the top 1% is killing the middle class, they are reaping a huge transfer of wealth into their own pocketbooks. The time has come to hang the bankers of the 'too big to fail banks' and take back our country. Stop listening to the propaganda like 'the terrorists attacked us because of our freedom'. So since we are moving rapidly into a total police state where they monitor ALL of our phone calls, text's, emails, and flying drones watching our every move, will the terrorists stop attacking us? Of course they will because 'Al-cia-da' is our friends and help us in the wars we presently wage in the Middle East.

 

And who is to blame? We are. We let them do it to us.

 

 

This may be the first time I have agreed with you Sprinter. I don't think we actually have to hang the Bankers who drove our economy off the cliff with their careless greed. I'd settle for putting them in stocks along Wall Street and letting those who lost their jobs as the result of their incompetence give them all a swift kick in the jewels.

[napfirst]

Right off alex jones' website......big time 911 denier

[Imawhosure]

Well Sprinter, I didn't watch the video but I hope that if it proclaims we are not, it also says which country is!

 

Maybe then all the illegal aliens will pack up and go there since the parasites will have a healthier host on which to feed off of.

[xr7g428]

I visited Mexico just last week. Did you know that there is no Mexican customs that asks to see your passport? You just walk across the border, and you are in Mexico. You could carry anything you wanted to into the country and no one would notice. Returning to the US is completely different. Why would that be?

[Mark B. Morrow]

Right off alex jones' website......big time 911 denier

 

It was written by Aaron Sorkin who also created The West Wing.

[napfirst]

It was written by Aaron Sorkin who also created The West Wing.

Ok....but you can find the same sentiments on jones' web site.....and I think sprinter has referenced him in the past....

[Langston Hughes]

Ok....but you can find the same sentiments on jones' web site.....and I think sprinter has referenced him in the past....

 

Yes, sprinter has referenced InforWars.com before and Alex Jones will take anything that he feels is even close to his views and attempt to subvert it. Truthers, Birthers and everything in between has a special place in his heart.

[Edstock]

This may be the first time I have agreed with you Sprinter. I don't think we actually have to hang the Bankers who drove our economy off the cliff with their careless greed. I'd settle for putting them in stocks along Wall Street and letting those who lost their jobs as the result of their incompetence give them all a swift kick in the jewels.

 

Put the forensic accountants to work, and seize all the money they stole . . . let the bankers try dumpster-diving for a while.

[Versa-Tech]

 

 

This may be the first time I have agreed with you Sprinter. I don't think we actually have to hang the Bankers who drove our economy off the cliff with their careless greed. I'd settle for putting them in stocks along Wall Street and letting those who lost their jobs as the result of their incompetence give them all a swift kick in the jewels.

What about the moron consumers that sat by and watched them? Plenty of people saw it coming, and hedged against it. Unfortunately, our federal government wasn't one of them.

[Mark B. Morrow]

What about the moron consumers that sat by and watched them? Plenty of people saw it coming, and hedged against it. Unfortunately, our federal government wasn't one of them.

 

Very few people saw it coming. Many of the borrowers in the heyday of the re-financing push were told that they were chumps for not re-financing their homes and using the equity for additions, vacations or paying down credit card debt. Most were not sophisticated borrowers who believed the mortgage hustlers who told them they qualified and that it was a no-brainer since the value of their homes would continue to rise. Hell even the "Masters of the Universe" on Wall Street based their entire business model on the belief that prices would not fall. AIG leveraged Credit Default Swaps 300 to 1 because they believed they would never have to pay off.

 

If the professionals couldn't see it coming, I don't thing the majority of consumers could have.

 

It's not like the Madoff investors who ignored the reality that no investor can have accounts that never suffer a losing quarter, because they thought they were getting a special deal. Our Bar Association had Harry Markopolos as the Keynote Speaker of the annual meeting last month. Markopolos was the guy who warned of the Madoff fraud 10 years before it blew up. His Book No One Would Listen and documentary Chasing Madoff detail his warning that Madoff's investment returns were simply impossible. The SEC and Wall Street were so enamoured of Madoff that they could not see the numbers didn't add up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62L7VxMDg68

[retro-man]

I saw a Wall Street bubble brewing, and I saw real estate prices inflating and putting a home beyond the reach of many people. But I was not financially savvy enough to put two and two together, and was unaware of the whole mortgage leveraging and repackaging infrastructure that Wall Street had set up, and which was about to crash down. I think I was like a lot of "moron consumers" in that respect. God help me, I was reading Architectural Record, not Financial Times. It certainly was the job of the regulators to regulate, and they certainly didn't do it. One would also hope that we could have some level of trust in financial professionals - in the whole industry - to operate responsibly. Events as recently as this past week show that the financial sector is as corrupt as ever. In the chain of accountability, I place the financial sector itself at the top - they're supposed to be the damn experts -, followed by the regulators, with consumers at the bottom of the list. Caveat Emptor is a concept that is supposed to have gone out with the age of the robber barons.

Edited July 14, 2012 by retro-man

[cal50]

Put the forensic accountants to work, and seize all the money they stole . . . let the bankers try dumpster-diving for a while.

 

 

How about doing the same for politicians that continue to spend more money than is take in as well?

Bankers like politicians like time & distance from events that "just happened" with no accountability and a thin paper trail.

[retro-man]

Put the forensic accountants to work, and seize all the money they stole . . . let the bankers try dumpster-diving for a while.

 

If only .......

[Edstock]

Caveat Emptor is a concept that is supposed to have gone out with the age of the robber barons.

 

Instead, we got Jay Gould redux. The Return of the Gilded Age on steroids (computers).

 

As an indication, how many exotic/luxury car manufacturers are there today? How many were there 40 years ago?

[Trimdingman]

Government set the stage. Government precided over the fiasco. Government made the laws that enabled the easy credit. Government kept interest rates artificially low. Government was the cause. Reduce government. Pull it's teeth. Let the people take control. Banksterism is the symptom. Government is the disease. If you leave the till open and put a "free money" sign up, and someone empties it, who is more to blame?

[Imawhosure]

Checking

[Imawhosure]

Government set the stage. Government precided over the fiasco. Government made the laws that enabled the easy credit. Government kept interest rates artificially low. Government was the cause. Reduce government. Pull it's teeth. Let the people take control. Banksterism is the symptom. Government is the disease. If you leave the till open and put a "free money" sign up, and someone empties it, who is more to blame?

 

Double checking and thnx

[Versa-Tech]

 

 

Very few people saw it coming. Many of the borrowers in the heyday of the re-financing push were told that they were chumps for not re-financing their homes and using the equity for additions, vacations or paying down credit card debt. Most were not sophisticated borrowers who believed the mortgage hustlers who told them they qualified and that it was a no-brainer since the value of their homes would continue to rise. Hell even the "Masters of the Universe" on Wall Street based their entire business model on the belief that prices would not fall. AIG leveraged Credit Default Swaps 300 to 1 because they believed they would never have to pay off.

 

If the professionals couldn't see it coming, I don't thing the majority of consumers could have.

 

It's not like the Madoff investors who ignored the reality that no investor can have accounts that never suffer a losing quarter, because they thought they were getting a special deal. Our Bar Association had Harry Markopolos as the Keynote Speaker of the annual meeting last month. Markopolos was the guy who warned of the Madoff fraud 10 years before it blew up. His Book No One Would Listen and documentary Chasing Madoff detail his warning that Madoff's investment returns were simply impossible. The SEC and Wall Street were so enamoured of Madoff that they could not see the numbers didn't add up.

This might sound crazy, but I've never listened to the opinion of the majority on thse matters. I know amateur investors that saw this coming as early as 2002; The same guys that saw GM and Chrysler's impending bankruptsy about the same time. I actually consulted professions concerning the matter and they assured me that the market was preadjusted to account for such angst. The same pros said I was crazy to buy Ford stock in 2008.

 

Im my opinion, the people who actually invest the time to understand the markets, and make their own informed decisions come out on top consistently. It's the large investment banks and the consumers that take their advice that always seem to miss the memo. Just look at the track record.

[fmccap]

The same guys that saw GM and Chrysler's impending bankruptsy about the same time. I actually consulted professions concerning the matter and they assured me that the market was preadjusted to account for such angst. The same pros said I was crazy to buy Ford stock in 2008.

 

Im my opinion, the people who actually invest the time to understand the markets, and make their own informed decisions come out on top consistently. It's the large investment banks and the consumers that take their advice that always seem to miss the memo. Just look at the track record.

I remember reading in the mid to late 90's an article talking about GM being on the road to bankrupcy. That was when things were "great" by the top advisors standards.

[sprinter]

If you were involved in Icelandic high finance in the runup to the recession, you might want to start watching your back.

 

That's because the government has appointed a white collar crime bounty hunter who wants to haul your behind in (alive, to be sure).

LeMonde reporter Charlotte Chabas has a profile of Ólafur Þór Hauksson, a former local police lieutenant whom the Iceland government appointed to track down individuals likely to have helped sink the country's banking sector during the credit crunch.

Hauksson's job description, according to PressEurop's translation of the piece:

"On one hand, we have to investigate all suspicion of fraud and offences committed before 2009, on the other hand, we bring the lawsuits against the suspects to court ourselves," Hauksson explains. This is a 'totally new' method which allows the investigators to "follow the case" and the judicial system to "know the cases like the back of their hand". This is indispensable in order "to compete with the well-prepared defence attorneys".

Hauksson oversees a posse of 100 researchers to help track down outlaws. He's netted some major convictions since starting in 2009, including the former chief of staff of the country's finance minister on insider trading charges. Many others await their day in court, Chabas writes.

And he will track you down even if you've fled abroad.

 

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/iceland-has-hired-an-ex-cop-bounty-hunter-to-go-after-the-bankers-that-wrecked-its-economy-2012-7#ixzz20nfaOAz1

 

Finally someone in government that hasn't been bought off by the bankers.

[Imawhosure]

This topic has facinated me since it was started. The reason it has is because we have to ask ourselves as Americans--------->since we know we were the envy of the world following WWII, at what point in time did we slip behind others to become, "no longer the greatest country in the world?" What policys made us lose our grip upon being far and away the best the world had ever seen? And if we are this far in debt, if we were the richest country in the world just 4 or 5 decades ago, where did the money go if not into making us the best?

 

It is not only our Presidents who have basically screwed us, our congress has also through years past. You can't imagine my utter joy when Senator Dick Lugar LOST his bid for his partys nomination for senator of Indiana. He was part of the problem! If you have imbedded politicians who have voted for the status quo for years, they HELPED create this mess! I would rather see a new democrat in office than an old republican unless that repub voted against the Washington machine that got us here. Lugar did NOT! He had to go!

 

We in America, always went our own way. We knew how to do things, and NEVER wanted to look like Europe; and why would we want to? We as a country were born centuries after Europe, and within 150 years or so, surpassed virtually the whole European continent in power, both militarily and economically.

 

And yet, slowly, ever so sloooooooowly, we have been pushed left, further left, furthest left....so far left, we now actually do resemble much of Europe. We can stay here, and be one of the many, just like Europe. We will neither excel, nor falter much, as we become run of the mill socialists..........although somebody has to pay off our creditors while our poor class either can't get a job, or live to well under comrade Obama, they won't look for a job and live off the dole!

 

Orrrrrrrrrrrr, we can return to what made us great, using our ingenuity, our resources, our capitalism to push us back into the forefront.

 

And so to close this example, I would like to SHOW ALL OF YOU HOW FAR LEFT we have moved---------->Comrade Obama has just recently stated that private companys could NOT TODAY BUILD the Hoover dam, put a man on the moon, or build the roads and bridges we all enjoy. It takes GOVERNMENT to do these things. (The Barack Obama Government I assume)

 

I have to agree! Private business could NEVER build the Hoover dam today......because COMRADE OBAMAS enviromental policys would NEVER allow it to be built! Some bug, or rat, or cockroach would make that dam unbuildable under our lefties ridiculous policys!

 

We couldn't put a man on the moon today because COMRADE OBAMA has OUTSOURCED our NASA to the Russians. They have their money, and OUR money now for space, thank you President Obama!

 

We also can't build roads and bridges today, because the EPA doesn't want new ones. They may go through the mxpytcly cuckamongas habitat, so it would take 50 years to get a new road built.

 

How in the world do you think you can build a lousy new road, when you can't even build a pipeline? The far left is in control of the country, and unless you want to keep this country somewhere in the middle of the pack, you better realize that throwing them.....along with the ingrained old politicians out, is our only hope for returning our country to its former glory in our lifetime.

 

We have moved so faaaaaar left under Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.......that John Fitzgerald Kennedy would be considered either a republican, and very possibly a tea bagger because he cut taxes to allow business to have money to invest; and the fact that if Bill Clinton is recognized as the biggest democratic success in 30 years, Obama is 3 left turns of him, and even Bill Clinton has said things recently that he is NOT enamored of Obama policys.

 

It is your country, choose!

Edited July 17, 2012 by Imawhosure

[Imawhosure]

This topic has facinated me since it was started. The reason it has is because we have to ask ourselves as Americans--------->since we know we were the envy of the world following WWII, at what point in time did we slip behind others to become, "no longer the greatest country in the world?" What policys made us lose our grip upon being far and away the best the world had ever seen? And if we are this far in debt, if we were the richest country in the world just 4 or 5 decades ago, where did the money go if not into making us the best?

 

It is not only our Presidents who have basically screwed us, our congress has also through years past. You can't imagine my utter joy when Senator Dick Lugar LOST his bid for his partys nomination for senator of Indiana. He was part of the problem! If you have imbedded politicians who have voted for the status quo for years, they HELPED create this mess! I would rather see a new democrat in office than an old republican unless that repub voted against the Washington machine that got us here. Lugar did NOT! He had to go!

 

We in America, always went our own way. We knew how to do things, and NEVER wanted to look like Europe; and why would we want to? We as a country were born centuries after Europe, and within 150 years or so, surpassed virtually the whole European continent in power, both militarily and economically.

 

And yet, slowly, ever so sloooooooowly, we have been pushed left, further left, furthest left....so far left, we now actually do resemble much of Europe. We can stay here, and be one of the many, just like Europe. We will neither excel, nor falter much, as we become run of the mill socialists..........although somebody has to pay off our creditors while our poor class either can't get a job, or live to well under comrade Obama, they won't look for a job and live off the dole!

 

Orrrrrrrrrrrr, we can return to what made us great, using our ingenuity, our resources, our capitalism to push us back into the forefront.

 

And so to close this example, I would like to SHOW ALL OF YOU HOW FAR LEFT we have moved---------->Comrade Obama has just recently stated that private companys could NOT TODAY BUILD the Hoover dam, put a man on the moon, or build the roads and bridges we all enjoy. It takes GOVERNMENT to do these things. (The Barack Obama Government I assume)

 

I have to agree! Private business could NEVER build the Hoover dam today......because COMRADE OBAMAS enviromental policys would NEVER allow it to be built! Some bug, or rat, or cockroach would make that dam unbuildable under our lefties ridiculous policys!

 

We couldn't put a man on the moon today because COMRADE OBAMA has OUTSOURCED our NASA to the Russians. They have their money, and OUR money now for space, thank you President Obama!

 

We also can't build roads and bridges today, because the EPA doesn't want new ones. They may go through the mxpytcly cuckamongas habitat, so it would take 50 years to get a new road built.

 

How in the world do you think you can build a lousy new road, when you can't even build a pipeline? The far left is in control of the country, and unless you want to keep this country somewhere in the middle of the pack, you better realize that throwing them.....along with the ingrained old politicians out, is our only hope for returning our country to its former glory in our lifetime.

 

We have moved so faaaaaar left under Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.......that John Fitzgerald Kennedy would be considered either a republican, and very possibly a tea bagger because he cut taxes to allow business to have money to invest; and the fact that if Bill Clinton is recognized as the biggest democratic success in 30 years, Obama is 3 left turns of him, and even Bill Clinton has said things recently that he is NOT enamored of Obama policys.

 

It is your country, choose!

 

Well, at least I agree with me, lol!

[Langston Hughes]

Well, at least I agree with me, lol!

 

Because it was another long winded multiple tangent political screed where mostly you wanted to make fun of Obama and pat yourself on the back. Yet again you failed to offer any compromise, any middle ground, any thing anyone outside of your own hardcore political beliefs that anyone from the other side can work with. Basically political discourse with you is world war I. You dig a trench, climb in, challenge others to attack your position and then lob artillery at them. Then they entrench and nothing ever comes of it.

 

I am going to assume that you would like a reply to your points of debate.

 

Keystone XL pipeline: It's not easy to get a pipeline of that size built when the company building it is being fined 3.7 milion for dumping between 800,000 and 1.1 million gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo river. That tends to concern logical, thoughtful people and even some conservatives.

 

The Canadian operator of an oil pipeline that ruptured in southwestern Michigan two years ago, causing the most expensive onshore spill in U.S. history, failed to deal adequately with structural problems detected years ago and to respond appropriately to the catastrophe, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday. Enbridge Inc. knew in 2005 that its pipeline near Marshall, a city 95 miles west of Detroit, was cracked and corroded, but it didn't perform excavations that ultimately might have prevented the rupture, NTSB investigators told the five-member board in Washington before it approved the findings and 19 safety recommendations.Read more:

http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz21RdRkB7h

Edited July 23, 2012 by Langston Hughes

[goinbroke2]

Well, at least I agree with me, lol!

 

I'll agree with ya! Fire all the old sum bitches! Like a computer, go back to the date when it worked well and reboot! LOL! Left and right of the middle is fine, but this left and right of left sucks.