Jay22 Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hello everyone. I have a question and I was hoping I could find some direction here. I took a buyout package in 2007 when I worked at WAP since 1999. With the outlook at the time, I was pretty scared of taking a chance and staying, unwilling to risk a layoff. Things seem to be turning around a bit these days and rumor has it that we, (buyout employees) take precedence over street hires. (I have no verification on this at all, it's just what I have been told, and even they weren't 100% sure.) Also, apparently I am still a local 900 member. I still get things in the mail regarding union business and whatnot. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this, or knows who to get in contact with for consideration in MAP. Most of the people I knew have since retired and I would like to get back into Ford. I know the current local 900 president but I am unsure if this is the correct way to go, as I don't want to step over anyones head or make anyone mad. I was pretty good with a lot of folks from the union side and the salary side, but getting in touch with anyone is proving to be one hell of a challenge. Any help at all is appreciated. Thanks in advance and I hope you have a great day. -Jay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hello everyone. I have a question and I was hoping I could find some direction here. I took a buyout package in 2007 when I worked at WAP since 1999. With the outlook at the time, I was pretty scared of taking a chance and staying, unwilling to risk a layoff. Things seem to be turning around a bit these days and rumor has it that we, (buyout employees) take precedence over street hires. (I have no verification on this at all, it's just what I have been told, and even they weren't 100% sure.) Also, apparently I am still a local 900 member. I still get things in the mail regarding union business and whatnot. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this, or knows who to get in contact with for consideration in MAP. Most of the people I knew have since retired and I would like to get back into Ford. I know the current local 900 president but I am unsure if this is the correct way to go, as I don't want to step over anyones head or make anyone mad. I was pretty good with a lot of folks from the union side and the salary side, but getting in touch with anyone is proving to be one hell of a challenge. Any help at all is appreciated. Thanks in advance and I hope you have a great day. -Jay. Lots of luck with that one. My understanding is that when you took the buyout, you gave up ANY and ALL rights to be rehired by Ford. The only way I can see this happening, is if you are willing to pay back the ENTIRE package you accepted upon your leaving the company. You made a decision...now you have to live with it. Lay-off would have been better as you would have still recieved pay, and benefits, and be working today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I was told that only education buyouts would be reconsidered and that retiree buyouts and separation packages would not. I know two buyout people who tried to fill openings and were told they could not, because the company had issues with the possiblity of them receiving another buyout in the future. Plus you already traded your pension for cash upfront and then if they rehire you and you get your 85 points you'd be able to get that pension back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay22 Posted October 7, 2012 Author Share Posted October 7, 2012 Hmm, it was my understanding that I was just relinquishing all of my seniority and that the legalese basically said that if I ever did re-hire, I would be starting from square one. My package did say specifically that I am eligable to re-hire after two years. I guess it was foolish of me to believe that people with my seniority date would have been separated from the company regardless, as I was told. I guess its off to the local to see whats going on. I was also told that education buyouts would be considered before all others if they received an education in any type of discipline that Ford was looking for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SU-FI Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I almost feel bad for people that got scared and took the buyout with no plan on what to do, and mostly didnt use it to get themselves in a position where working in a factory would be a downgrade, almost. I dont believe the company should hire anyone back that took a buyout, i consider a person that took an educational buyout and became an engineer or got a management degree and wanted a rehire into salary. but people that took the money and ran, should keep on running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Education rehire preference is for your former classification only. You do not get preference for any salary position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Kinda how the UAW/ Ford got you guys last contract. Hook, line and sinker. Trades guys can have AWS I only work weekends for 1.5x and 2x! I would be one disgruntled SOB if NAP were still here and I had to go AWS. The days of Ford being a great place to work seem to be in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Hello everyone. I have a question and I was hoping I could find some direction here. I took a buyout package in 2007 when I worked at WAP since 1999. With the outlook at the time, I was pretty scared of taking a chance and staying, unwilling to risk a layoff. Things seem to be turning around a bit these days and rumor has it that we, (buyout employees) take precedence over street hires. (I have no verification on this at all, it's just what I have been told, and even they weren't 100% sure.) Also, apparently I am still a local 900 member. I still get things in the mail regarding union business and whatnot. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this, or knows who to get in contact with for consideration in MAP. Most of the people I knew have since retired and I would like to get back into Ford. I know the current local 900 president but I am unsure if this is the correct way to go, as I don't want to step over anyones head or make anyone mad. I was pretty good with a lot of folks from the union side and the salary side, but getting in touch with anyone is proving to be one hell of a challenge. Any help at all is appreciated. Thanks in advance and I hope you have a great day. -Jay. Call the National Ford Department. 313-926-5000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANTASTICFORD Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I was told that only education buyouts would be reconsidered and that retiree buyouts and separation packages would not. I know two buyout people who tried to fill openings and were told they could not, because the company had issues with the possiblity of them receiving another buyout in the future. Plus you already traded your pension for cash upfront and then if they rehire you and you get your 85 points you'd be able to get that pension back. Hughes, you are right. I wonder how many buyout people read the fine print. Ex-Ford employees can come back if they received a degree, It doesn't have to be something related to Ford. I work with three people at LAP that took the education buyouts, got their degrees and came back, two from MI and one here in Louisville. They never worked in their fields/majors and wished they never took the buyout...one is trying to get into management. Jay22, if you can not find a good paying job in Mi, move to another state. Don't let not having a job with Ford keep you from pursuing another career path. I wish you the best, God Bless you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANTASTICFORD Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 They had to come back as a 2nd Tier employee also! Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 They did get free popcorn in orientation Free popcorn? Wow, the company is going all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Hello everyone. I have a question and I was hoping I could find some direction here. I took a buyout package in 2007 when I worked at WAP since 1999. With the outlook at the time, I was pretty scared of taking a chance and staying, unwilling to risk a layoff. Things seem to be turning around a bit these days and rumor has it that we, (buyout employees) take precedence over street hires. (I have no verification on this at all, it's just what I have been told, and even they weren't 100% sure.) Also, apparently I am still a local 900 member. I still get things in the mail regarding union business and whatnot. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this, or knows who to get in contact with for consideration in MAP. Most of the people I knew have since retired and I would like to get back into Ford. I know the current local 900 president but I am unsure if this is the correct way to go, as I don't want to step over anyones head or make anyone mad. I was pretty good with a lot of folks from the union side and the salary side, but getting in touch with anyone is proving to be one hell of a challenge. Any help at all is appreciated. Thanks in advance and I hope you have a great day. -Jay. You should have taken the money they gave you to get a degree, and reapplied for a salary position. I reinvented myself, and now make what I did working at Ford. At the end of next year I will have an Engineer's license issued by the United States Coast Guard. Unfortunately Ford is not rehiring separated employees. Most of the people that left are the type that always look for the easy way out. You know, the ones that run to medical if they don't want to do a job. In the industry I work in currently I get my winters off. There is a 2 to 3 month period where I sit on unemployment. I also have good relations with the local chairmen. Ford was hiring people to replace us, and I was looking for temporary work to fill the gap while I was home. They required people to have already passed the AON test to work as temps. I was informed that Ford was not rehiring separated employees. I had a spotless record while I worked at Lorain, and OHAP too, never disciplined, and never missed a day, or was ever even late the whole time I worked at Ford. Good luck, but I am sure you are wasting your time going down a dead end road. Langston, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. If we were vested in the pension plan, then we are still entitled to what we accrued. I have already received communications from Ford giving me my eligibility age. However I am in the process of building a new house. If they would like to buyout of their pension liability I would consider a serious offer and use that money towards my new home. We still get A/X plan discounts too. I generated 1 A, and 1 X plan pin since I found out that the benefit is still active. I was able to get an engineer I work with to buy an F-Series. He use to only buy Toyota. That's right, gone, but still selling Ford products. I appreciate everything Ford has done for me, and I will keep my loyalties! I bet I can exhaust my PINs every year. I use to be in the Ford Inner Circle every year. Edited October 12, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Dude I'm still working for Ford. I deliver the taconite pellets to Severstal that goes to produce the steel that makes Ford, GM, and Chrysler products. The family that owns this company takes care of me, because I am damn good at my job. I continually am going to school. Last year I got my Tankerman endorsement to work on a tank ship, and this winter I will be working on the Atlantic ocean delivering fuel for another company owned by the same family during the annual layup. My life is pretty much set. If I reapply to Ford in the future it will only be to try to come back to a land job, and work in the same Ford facility as my wife. Also I would be applying for an Engineers job, not production work. Either that or if I get the steam time I will move to a power plant near home. My credentials buy me a job, not the union, unlike you. Edited October 12, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Thank you Mr. obvious! You must one of those who is mad cause I didn't end up a crackhead, or on welfare. LOL Edited October 12, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) So Furious one auto should not even be posting here.Sounds like he has a good job and just wants to DUMP his version of 'the working class riot act' on the UAW.Hey guy,we got enough opinions already.AS FAR AS being hired back after taking a buyout.What I hear is that the facility you were working at when you took a buyout cannot hire you back but you might {spell that 'politics'} get hired back at another facility.How this saves Ford money is beyond me.Wonder why the stock cant move up! Edited October 13, 2012 by Fatso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Furious....you never cease to amaze us on this forum with your "success story"....why tell it over and over....it seems to me we read this same BS from you about every 6 weeks...this is supposed to be about Ford work and workers, not used to be Ford. Give us all a break and go tell your wife your story of success...I'm sure she cares more than we do....but she has probably heard it a few times also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Anyone drawing unemployment for several months a year is not a success story. If your skill is in such demand..... I'm sure you decision to work part time has nothing to do with your spouse being employed by Ford and the benefits that includes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I am also sick of people who call themselves engineers. An operator or mechanic is not an engineer. A degreed engineer supervising people is not a practicing engineer. This practice cheapens the profession and gives competent engineers a bad reputation. Webster/ Britanica description. An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical, social and economic problems. Engineers design materials, structures and systems while considering the limitations imposed by practicality, safety and cost. Engineers are grounded in applied sciences, and their work in research and development is distinct from the basic research focus of scientists.The work of engineers forms the link between scientific discoveries and their subsequent applications to human needs and quality of life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 ..this is supposed to be about Ford work and workers, not used to be Ford Now that is some funny shit right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard Driver Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Who is Furious trying to impress. Good that you are furthering your education, just not overly impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) :~) Hey while you are crunching numbers with your engineering degree, figure out a new design for the brake line locator clip on the rear differential of the Econoline. It has been inadequate since '04. They install it on the pedastool line, and I had the honor of reinstalling it once it came loose on the frame line. I'm not so sure that a degree is the equivalent of real world experience. Many employers will hire certified employees over degreed graduates just because they are full of theory, and have no practical experience. How bout the degreed educated dummies they hire for foreman, Vs. the management that come from the floor. There is a distinct difference. Edited October 18, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 :~) Hey while you are crunching numbers with your engineering degree, figure out a new design for the brake line locator clip on the rear differential of the Econolie. It has been inadequate since '04. They install it on the pedastool line, and I had the honor of reinstalling it once it came loose on the frame line. I'm not so sure that a degree is the equivalent of real world experience. Many employers will hire certified employees over degreed graduates just because they are full of theory, and have no practical experience. How bout the degreed educated dummies they hire for foreman, Vs. the management that come from the floor. There is a distinct difference. Econoline? Pedestal? About? Came from the floor; not come. You are making my case. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Defective? Years? Degreed? Your making my point for me! I caught and corrected Econoline before you posted. "Come" is present tense and the correct usage. Pedestal was a typo I didn't catch, but it didn't take me years to correct it. Edited October 18, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X NAP MILLWRIGHT Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Only know of salaried employees that came from the floor (in years past). Don't know of any that still come from the floor. Millwrights generally have little practical knowledge. A millwright with an Engineering degree would be practically unemployable. My statement was one of fact. I apologize if it struck a nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) You know what, I will bash you when I get a better internet connection. I ain't done with you. They just surveyed OHAP for management, it is still a current practice. Edited October 18, 2012 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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