Langston Hughes Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 You only call it a red herring because you have no answer for it. It's a Red Herring because it's meant to distract from the links that both Ranger and I used. There is no need for an answer because it is outside the purview of what we were discussing and the information we were using. Nice try though Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 How many have actually paid up? How many are on medicaid? What is the mix of young to old? How many are subsidized by the tax payers? How many of the 6 million canceled policies signed up on Obamacare? These are resonable questions that the white house and BHO dont want us to know. They know I garantee you but if it does not behove them politically they will not release this information. If it was such a sucess Jay Carney would be screaming these numbers at the top of his lungs. Barack Hussein Obama care is failing mathmatically I garantee you. This is another lets run the clock out and hope it works over time situation and keep the public in the dark about how we are blowing money left and right for nothing. The government has access to the medicaid rolls. That's got to be the easiest to determine. And those that have paid would be equally easy......if they wanted to disclose how few have truly completed a purchase. Considering how popular this program was supposed to be, why is it so hard to get people to sign-up and buy the insurance they cried for so long? The numbers as they have been shown on sites like Politico are 6 million for the ACA through exchanges and 4 million eligible for medicaid/SCHIP. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/obamacare-enrollment-6-million-105111.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 It's a Red Herring because it's meant to distract from the links that both Ranger and I used. There is no need for an answer because it is outside the purview of what we were discussing and the information we were using. Nice try though Nick. So you can't answer either? Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 So you can't answer either? Gotcha. It wasn't connected to the discussion nor the source material so I am not bothering to deal with your little game of misdirection. If you would like to know then by all means look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Oh...say it ain't so........." you can keep your plan" and "a family will save $2500. a year.. Cleveland Clinic CEO: Three-Quarters Of Americans Who Signed Up For Obamacare Now Have Higher Premiumshttp://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/cleveland-clinic-ceo-three-quarters-of-americans-who-signed-up-for-obamacare-now-have-higher-premiums/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It wasn't connected to the discussion nor the source material so I am not bothering to deal with your little game of misdirection. If you would like to know then by all means look it up. I'd love to look it up if I could. Unfortunately, the government is the only one who has the answer, and they ain't tellin'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 What Obama labels a success ~ Before he started the number of uninsured was supposedly 30~40 million After he passed his signature bill (and changed it over a dozen times) around 6 million PAYING insured people were cancelled. Today its touted as 7 million have signed up. If only the uninsured all signed up that would leave 23~33 million still uninsured. I think most people do not believe the numbers and with no supporting math to back up the numbers or breakdown its lie of the year 2014 material. You can tell when Obama is lying, his lips are moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What Obama labels a success ~ Before he started the number of uninsured was supposedly 30~40 million After he passed his signature bill (and changed it over a dozen times) around 6 million PAYING insured people were cancelled. Today its touted as 7 million have signed up. If only the uninsured all signed up that would leave 23~33 million still uninsured. I think most people do not believe the numbers and with no supporting math to back up the numbers or breakdown its lie of the year 2014 material. You can tell when Obama is lying, his lips are moving. The 6 million is a misleading figure as a vast majority of those were moved directly into new plans. It's 7 million for the ACA and 4 million for SCHIP/Medicaid. I don't have the numbers on how many kids were added back on to their parent's insurance. So the ACA helped 11 million plus without insurance get some. That's a bad thing in your book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) I'd love to look it up if I could. Unfortunately, the government is the only one who has the answer, and they ain't tellin'! Then why are you throwing out red herrings all over the place if there is no answer? Edited April 2, 2014 by Langston Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 The 6 million is a misleading figure as a vast majority of those were moved directly into new plans. It's 7 million for the ACA and 4 million for SCHIP/Medicaid. I don't have the numbers on how many kids were added back on to their parent's insurance. So the ACA helped 11 million plus without insurance get some. That's a bad thing in your book? And your source for these numbers is..........wait for ....wait for it......anyone want to venture a guess before LH answers, if he answers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 And your source for these numbers is..........wait for ....wait for it......anyone want to venture a guess before LH answers, if he answers? Avalere heath, the Washington post and I can't recall the other site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) And your source for these numbers is..........wait for ....wait for it......anyone want to venture a guess before LH answers, if he answers? Mr Nap, I do not know if anyone posted this, but I seen it on a social media site, and it makes people go, "oh yeah, that is correct!" It goes something like this------>Obysmal is out there crowing 7 million people signed up for his signature healthcare plan. HELLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO, what should anybody expect when he basically makes it illegal for people NOT to have healthcare, and fines you on top of that if you ignore his socialist command! His plan is soooooooo good, he had to do this, and he still only got 7 million to sign up. Failure, absolute failure. Edited April 16, 2014 by Imawhosure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Mr Nap, I do not know if anyone posted this, but I seen it on a social media site, and it makes people go, "oh yeah, that is correct!" It goes something like this------>Obysmal is out there crowing 7 million people signed up for his signature healthcare plan. HELLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO, what should anybody expect when he basically makes it illegal for people NOT to have healthcare, and fines you on top of that if you ignore his socialist command! His plan is soooooooo good, he had to do this, and he still only got 7 million to sign up. Failure, absolute failure. Obama & friends will not release the breakdown of the supposed sign ups but the insurance companies need the real numbers to set next years premium rates based off of enrollment and who is paying and how much this year. Wait and see if the rates take a sharp increase ( lack of paying people enrolled ) or a sharp decrease ( LOL! ). They can run the clock on release of info to the voting public but the real numbers have to be visible to the insurance companies. Who would have thought the most honest and open administration is bad at honesty and basic math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Obama & friends will not release the breakdown of the supposed sign ups but the insurance companies need the real numbers to set next years premium rates based off of enrollment and who is paying and how much this year. Wait and see if the rates take a sharp increase ( lack of paying people enrolled ) or a sharp decrease ( LOL! ). They can run the clock on release of info to the voting public but the real numbers have to be visible to the insurance companies. Who would have thought the most honest and open administration is bad at honesty and basic math. Strangely enough, the Obama administration is getting it's payment info from the insurance companies not the other way around. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Monday that insurance companies estimate between 80 and 90 percent of the 6 million people who have signed up for Obamacare have actually paid a premium. "What we know from insurance companies ... tell(s) us that, for their initial customers, it's somewhere between 80, 85, some say as high as 90 percent, have paid so far," Sebelius said on KWTV-TV. "Lots of companies have different timetables for when their new customers have to send their first payment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) As of April 16, less than half of the Georgia applicants have paid their premium. Source Georgia insurers received more than 220,000 applications for health coverage in the Affordable Care Act’s exchange as of the official federal deadline of March 31, state officials said Wednesday. Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens, though, said premiums have been received for only 107,581 of those policies, which cover 149,465 people. Edited April 21, 2014 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 As of April 16, less than half of the applicants have paid their premium. Source If you could not afford insurance before just passing a law mandating you have to buy it does not make it magically affordable. Many people thought its really "free" and likely signed up. Once they figure out they have to pay or continue to pay they will drop out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 As of April 16, less than half of the applicants have paid their premium. ..in Georgia. It's a bit dishonest to exclude that, as payment rates have varied widely by state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 As of April 16, less than half of the applicants have paid their premium. Source While that is not good enough, it does dispel the propaganda that's been used by conservatives concerning the premiums and who actually has access to the numbers. It's not 20 percent and it's not the whitehouse not releasing the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 ..in Georgia. It's a bit dishonest to exclude that, as payment rates have varied widely by state. An unintentional oversight, that I've corrected. I knew at the time it was Georgia, but failed to specify. I was not intending to deceive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 No one thinks you did. Georgia is likely representative of America with some higher and some lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 According to Rand. Of the 40.7 million who were uninsured in 2013, 14.5 million gained coverage, but 5.2 million of the insured lost coverage, for a net gain in coverage of approximately 9.3 million. This represents a drop in the share of the population that is uninsured from 20.5 percent to 15.8 percent. The 9.3 million person increase in insurance is driven not only by enrollment in marketplace plans, but also by gains in employer-sponsored insurance (ESI) and Medicai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) ...and the ball drops on employers. Got my notification in the mail yesterday that I must choose a new insurance plan during open enrollment this year if I want to remain on the company health plan. Can't wait to see what my new premiums are. Edited April 22, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Warning: This link is to an audio commentary by Neal Boortz. Those faint of heart who cannot tolerate his perspectives should abstain from listening. But, I highly recommend you do so for the enlightening aspects he presents.2 minutes and 9 seconds. Is that too much to devote to considering his thoughts? (I can predict the responses of at least two members here.)Three and a half years. And according to Harry Truman, $341 billion spent*. *During an address to a joint session of Congress in 1948, pertaining to the crisis in Greece, President Harry S. Truman stated that the United States contributed $341,000,000,000 to World War II. One would take at face value that President Truman's source on this was, likely, fairly reliableSource:Wikianswers Edited April 23, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) ...and the ball drops on employers. Got my notification in the mail yesterday that I must choose a new insurance plan during open enrollment this year if I want to remain on the company health plan. Can't wait to see what my new premiums are. Although I am under no legal obligation to provide health insurance to my employees, I do. Last year the insurance provider urged us to change policies to one that more closely lines up with the ones they provide under Obamacare. They had similar premiums, although they also had much less choice in the provider networks, and higher deductibles. We stayed with our current policy, because (IIRC) they had to keep offering it, so long as enough others also subscribed to the same policy. Once enough other employers drop these policies the insurance company will likely stop offering it altogether. It's a hell of a thing Obama has foisted on those trying to do the right thing. Edited April 23, 2014 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Hughes Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Warning: This link is to an audio commentary by Neal Boortz. Those faint of heart who cannot tolerate his perspectives should abstain from listening. But, I highly recommend you do so for the enlightening aspects he presents. 2 minutes and 9 seconds. Is that too much to devote to considering his thoughts? (I can predict the responses of at least two members here.) Three and a half years. And according to Harry Truman, $341 billion spent*. I regret that I took the bait and listened to it. I forgot, did Obama put together the website? Like on nights and weekends when he wasn't at his full time job? His perspective is silly. A company was hired to do the job and it failed, not Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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