Sure, the economy is fine. We're in a recovery, right?

[cal50]

Somewhere buried in the Obamacare "bible" the health care providers are guaranteed a profit / not to loose any money. That means that service provided and not covered by premium paying members the government will be picking up that tab. That smacks similar to the Fannie & Freddie mode of operation when money was loaned and guaranteed federally which everyone knows ( well most ) how that turned out.

 

Since kids float on the parents to age 26 there is no revenue generated from the healthiest age segment. After 26 you are required to buy it or pay a fine. The fine is far less than paying premiums monthly especially if you can walk in when you need medical attention and simply pay the fine and be covered. The math does not add up to make the system work.

 

Costs have only gone up for the average users and the people that could not / did not buy insurance before and not buying it now or heavily subsidized on the tax payers dime.

When the government "guarantees" the insurance companies payment its a recipe for disaster / take #2.

 

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/how-obamacare-guarantees-healthcare-profits-cm331310

[Imawhosure]

Deflection akirby Ok, YOU tell me once you balance the books by repealing "RomneyCare" those so called Tax savings to reduce the National Debt will simply be transferred over for MediCaid re-imbursement instead. The Hospitals and Doctors will be paid for their services (still) by Tax Payers dollars unless, you simply refuse the "un & under" insured access to treatment. Thats a "deflection"? Thats simply a Fact! Perhaps you have another (secret) source of paying for those folks?

OK Phil, let us say you are correct and healthcare is a "RIGHT!" So then, you are saying that doctors, nurses, and everybody in the healthcare field must now become government workers, controlled by the government, and the government dictates how much they can make, along with all the drug companies to boot. Why? Because for me to have access to the "right" you bestowed upon me, somebody has to FORCE a doctor to take care of me if one doesn't want to accept the payment offered, a nurse has to watch over me while I recover, even if she doesn't want to accept the payment offered, and the drug company is forced to give me whatever drug I need, even if they do not want to accept the payment offered. Hmmmmm, isn't that called SOCIALISM with a bit of COMMUNISM mixed in? I believe a place we all heard of called Cuba practices your type of medicine, and we see that they are the Shang-Ri-La of where everybody wants to go when hit with a terrible disease.

 

The United States of America has done more to bring more people out of poverty than any other place in the world, bar none. Its healthcare system was the finest the world had ever seen. But no, some people just had to tweak it, tweak everything. Now we go down this path after all the pointy headed peoples tweaking that is awful, and the given solution by the tweakers is.............to tweak it more.

 

I would ask the persistent whiners this-----------> talk about fairness? You were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, and you want to do what.........fix it? OMG, you are screwing it up! People are fighting to get in here every day, of every week, of every month, of every year. It is sooooooo bad you know according to you, these people must be all dumb trying to come here, don't you think?

 

And finally, I would like to point out to you spread the wealth people, one pertinent point that seems to go over your head------------> If I made enough money to now be worth 1 billion dollars and you raise taxes, exactly how much of my 1 billion you going to get? Nada, forget about it, zero, no samolians, out of luck. Why? Pay attention..........BECAUSE I ALREADY PAID TAXES ON THAT MONEY!!!!!!!! The truth of the matter is, you are NOT punishing those that are wealthy at all, you are punishing the poor and the middle class who are trying to become wealthy!!!!!!!!

 

I assure you, that the extremely wealthy of this country (those who are worth over 100 million in liquid assets) care less about your ridiculous taxing schemes; and in fact probably like them as you dissuade competition for them. All your dithering does is........hold YOU back from becoming rich, screw companies and corporations so much many of them change countries of origin, prevent businesses from opening up that would create more jobs, and make you look absolutely foolish as your grand schemes don't work.

 

Just listen to a couple of people on here-----------> they want to put up a financial "Berlin Wall" to hold money here against the "owners of the moneys" will. In other words....your stuff is really not your stuff; it is certain peoples on here stuff, or maybe Obamas stuff. They didn't even loan it to you, but if they decide to take control of it, why.......they will, and it will magically become "their stuff."

 

If the people on here who support this do NOT see how dangerous this is, and continue to support people who want to do this and succeed in getting them in office, then we as a country, deserve to go down in flames.

[Imawhosure]

I never tied obamacare to balancing the budget. I said we need to cut government spending. How and where to cut it is a different discussion.

 

So now please tell me what we're going to do if we can't balance the budget and we keep increasing the national debt and raising the debt ceiling and raising our interest payments?

Akirby........we should all be aware that the people that what Obama and the government are doing hurt the most, is the person who works, and saves some money. Anybody saving money in a bank is losing purchasing power every day the money sits in there. And yet, the average person has to have access to their cash, so the government slowly strangles the working person.

 

And why?

 

Because SOME people keep demanding RIGHTS and free stuff, so the government buys their vote by purchasing it for them. Let us face it.....what is the story iwe are told if a republican, or for goodness sake a conservative would be elected? Why the schools would lose money. The infirm would loose benefits. OMG, the hungry would starve!

 

Let me translate that for you-----------> if you read between the lines, it is obvious that they are suggesting that people are going to lose something, therefore it is also obvious that liberals are the party of giving stuff away, because if they weren't, they could not claim that if a republican or conservative was elected the freebies would stop as there would be no freebies to revoke.

[RangerM]

So (you) want to pay for your own HealthCare and negotiate a discount fee for out of pocket payment? So (you) want to pay for your own HealthCare and negotiate a discount fee for out of pocket payment?

Not for 100% of it. But for everyday things like basic medicines, and the kind of treatment you can get at your average Pharmacy-based (P.A. staffed) clinic, paying out of pocket is just fine.

 

I have employer-based health coverage that carries a fairly high deductible that the company largely covers (again, out-of-pocket).

 

Whats your Credit Card Limit before you Max out your wallet full of Cards? Think it will cover the discounted cost of Cancer Treatment, Open Heart Surgery or Kidney Failure. Get out of your Fox New (Bubble) before you start suffering permanent brain damage due to oxogen depravation. If you equate that HealthCare is a distant third in importance to food or shelter, just wait until you or a family member eventually gets sick. Guess you counting on a quick and sudden death and paying off the "final expenses" with an "elcheapo" up the chimney direct Cremation for $495, huh? Man Plans while God Laughs!

You really need to restrain your hyperbole. I wouldn't agree that healthcare is a "distant third" because I'd say security comes third. (as in, Food, Shelter, Security, etc) I base that on the fact that if you aren't secure then your food and shelter are at risk of being taken from you.

 

I really have no idea what it is you're looking for other than a pie-in-the-sky notion that you can simply say "everybody's covered" and it just happens.

 

Btw, health insurance is a "man plan". It's the "plan" that you implement to "insure" you're covered when you need it. I'm just willing and capable of foregoing an iPhone 6 in order to pay for it.

[phil1336]

I`m tired of replying to those of you " Fiscal Conservatives" that feel that assuring all Americans are covered by a comprehensive HealthCare Plan that either they pay for on their own, out of pocket or thats provided like every other Country does in the Western Hemisphere. I don`t see hardcore Socialism or worse yet, Communism choking the 99% of Countries that have a National HealthCare system in place. Your other Option is simply provide everyone that can afford or chooses to opt for (real) Health Coverage to have a Dog Tag /proper ID to indicate that they have either Insurance or are rich enough to pay their own costs through self-insurance. No proof of Health Coverage, let them die curbside like the lower Caste of India. If thats the "small" Federal Government of your dreams, wait until that nightmare actually appears in real time. Lots of bitching, bashing, and finger pointing as usual but no concrete proposals or solutions except reincarnate Reagan from his grave and abolish "RomneyCare" and all will be right in America again. Stop watching Fox News and "Leave it to Beaver" re-runs!

[phil1336]

OK Phil, let us say you are correct and healthcare is a "RIGHT!" So then, you are saying that doctors, nurses, and everybody in the healthcare field must now become government workers, controlled by the government, and the government dictates how much they can make, along with all the drug companies to boot. Why? Because for me to have access to the "right" you bestowed upon me, somebody has to FORCE a doctor to take care of me if one doesn't want to accept the payment offered, a nurse has to watch over me while I recover, even if she doesn't want to accept the payment offered, and the drug company is forced to give me whatever drug I need, even if they do not want to accept the payment offered. Hmmmmm, isn't that called SOCIALISM with a bit of COMMUNISM mixed in? I believe a place we all heard of called Cuba practices your type of medicine, and we see that they are the Shang-Ri-La of where everybody wants to go when hit with a terrible disease.

 

The United States of America has done more to bring more people out of poverty than any other place in the world, bar none. Its healthcare system was the finest the world had ever seen. But no, some people just had to tweak it, tweak everything. Now we go down this path after all the pointy headed peoples tweaking that is awful, and the given solution by the tweakers is.............to tweak it more.

 

I would ask the persistent whiners this-----------> talk about fairness? You were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, and you want to do what.........fix it? OMG, you are screwing it up! People are fighting to get in here every day, of every week, of every month, of every year. It is sooooooo bad you know according to you, these people must be all dumb trying to come here, don't you think?

 

And finally, I would like to point out to you spread the wealth people, one pertinent point that seems to go over your head------------> If I made enough money to now be worth 1 billion dollars and you raise taxes, exactly how much of my 1 billion you going to get? Nada, forget about it, zero, no samolians, out of luck. Why? Pay attention..........BECAUSE I ALREADY PAID TAXES ON THAT MONEY!!!!!!!! The truth of the matter is, you are NOT punishing those that are wealthy at all, you are punishing the poor and the middle class who are trying to become wealthy!!!!!!!!

 

I assure you, that the extremely wealthy of this country (those who are worth over 100 million in liquid assets) care less about your ridiculous taxing schemes; and in fact probably like them as you dissuade competition for them. All your dithering does is........hold YOU back from becoming rich, screw companies and corporations so much many of them change countries of origin, prevent businesses from opening up that would create more jobs, and make you look absolutely foolish as your grand schemes don't work.

 

Just listen to a couple of people on here-----------> they want to put up a financial "Berlin Wall" to hold money here against the "owners of the moneys" will. In other words....your stuff is really not your stuff; it is certain peoples on here stuff, or maybe Obamas stuff. They didn't even loan it to you, but if they decide to take control of it, why.......they will, and it will magically become "their stuff."

 

If the people on here who support this do NOT see how dangerous this is, and continue to support people who want to do this and succeed in getting them in office, then we as a country, deserve to go down in flames.

Keep getting your talking points from Florida`s Senator Marco Rubio, huh? Even the poorest amongst us can pull themselves up by their boot straps and achieve the so called American Dream and become Wealthy and live the "good life". BS! You tell me how working (2) Part Time Jobs at or close to minimum wages in the service sector is going to get anyone out of their situation? Tell the Fireman, Policeman, Teacher, Postal Worker, the last of the "working poor" how they will ever be able to move "up-town" and buy a mega house on the Ocean or the Hamptons, purchase a high end Vehicle and take lavish vacations on their Salary? I`d like to get some of that (medical grade) marijuana your smoking. What a hoot. Those that carry a lunch pail to work and punch a time clock are the biggest supporters of "Americans For Prosperity" and "American Crossroads", the billionaire Koch Brothers and Karl Roves lobby group. They got your back. Too bad it has a bulls eyes target on it.

[akirby]

If you want to be a teacher, policeman, postal worker or fireman then you know that you're not going to make $200K/yr. If you want to make big bucks then you have to choose a career with that potential or you start your own business.

 

Saying that people working min wage jobs or part time jobs can't better themselves is pure BS. People do it EVERY DAY. You're just jealous that other people have more than you and you feel guilty about people that have less than you.

[Imawhosure]

Keep getting your talking points from Florida`s Senator Marco Rubio, huh? Even the poorest amongst us can pull themselves up by their boot straps and achieve the so called American Dream and become Wealthy and live the "good life". BS! You tell me how working (2) Part Time Jobs at or close to minimum wages in the service sector is going to get anyone out of their situation? Tell the Fireman, Policeman, Teacher, Postal Worker, the last of the "working poor" how they will ever be able to move "up-town" and buy a mega house on the Ocean or the Hamptons, purchase a high end Vehicle and take lavish vacations on their Salary? I`d like to get some of that (medical grade) marijuana your smoking. What a hoot. Those that carry a lunch pail to work and punch a time clock are the biggest supporters of "Americans For Prosperity" and "American Crossroads", the billionaire Koch Brothers and Karl Roves lobby group. They got your back. Too bad it has a bulls eyes target on it.

Never did I say that everyone can become wealthy; what I insisted was, "that ANYONE can become wealthy here." What I also insisted, is that our government has now made it harder for people to even want to start their own business in any attempt to become wealthy.

 

Now then Phil.............ever heard the old saying-------->you will NEVER get rich working for somebody else! That is probably a true statement unless you have stock options, lol. Therefore, your examples of firemen, policemen, teachers, and postal workers are a red herring. They took those jobs to make a decent living, not to get rich. How many people who took a job with The Ford Motor Company took it with the idea that Ford was going to pay them enough to be rich without actually doing something else with the money they were paid besides live? ANYONE?!?!?!?! So you see Phil, adults took jobs as policemen, firemen, and yes, even autoworkers, never expecting their jobs to pay enough for them to get rich; but yes, pay enough so as they might dabble in something else. That dabbling might get them rich, or it might buy them a Corvette or boat, their choice. If they chose the Corvette or boat, don't whine to us who didn't do that-)

 

I feel sorry for people who want to "transform" the land opportunity, to the land of handouts; especially the older people who feel this way. It is obvious they either missed the boat or purchased one, when they should have been doing something else; and now because of their own missteps, they think our young people will do the same thing they did.

 

On the other hand, I have confidence in our younger people. They ride the wave of technology just as we did when we were young. They want opportunity, and would love to be rich. They won't have to break their backs as many of us did to support their families, IF we can get evil business to open up here. (with such a high corporate tax rate as opposed to most other countries, good luck with that, or even keeping what we currently have)

 

The truth is Phil and the left, if being rich is winning the golden goose, then every American has already won that lotto. Our poor live better than most of the middle class and below of the world. What was the stats I read..........if you have more than 10,000 dollars of buying power, you are in the TOP 3% of all people on planet earth! Maybe that is why you need to transform it so badly from the land of opportunity, to the land of equality of outcomes. Of course we want to look like the rest of the world, be like the rest of the world, think like the rest of the world, we see how far that has gotten them, and we all concur. Yep, we are all clamoring for the transformation, from what we were as the greatest nation the world had ever seen, to one who is just like everyone else. Let us call this transformation one that an author I read has officially named it, AMERITOPIA!!!! Obama for a 3rd term-) Hey, that is about what you will get with Hillary, so Obama, Hillary, 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other. Little or no difference.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Imawhosure

[Trimdingman]

Half of my family's income tax, or about $30,000 per year goes toward socialized health care. I haven't been to a doctor in more than twenty years. It is too dangerous to my health. I had occasion to take my wife to an American hospital for emergency care. Nothing serious, thankfully. The difference between American and Canadian health care is astounding; yours being orders of magnitude superior. Don't give it up.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Trimdingman

[RangerM]

Lots of bitching, bashing, and finger pointing as usual but no concrete proposals or solutions except reincarnate Reagan from his grave and abolish "RomneyCare" and all will be right in America again. Stop watching Fox News and "Leave it to Beaver" re-runs!

Liberals have constrained the entire debate into "if you can't offer a single solution to the problem, then you have no solution", and therefore expect Conservatives to have a single solution--like a socialized healthcare system--because that's the limits of their understanding.

 

The reason you can't comprehend is because there is no single solution. It is multi-faceted. Since you can't comprehend, you fall back on the common theme(s) of Fox News, conservatives don't care, etc, etc, etc.

 

But if you want a single solution for anyone without health insurance, fine. Tell them to get a job that either comes with it, or pays enough to afford it. But for that to happen, Liberals might have to learn that economies have booms, busts, stagnation, inflation, deflation, or stagflation and no amount of government control will cure that, and often times makes them (and everyone's lives along the way) worse.

[akirby]

Since you can't comprehend, you fall back on the common theme(s) of Fox News, conservatives don't care, etc, etc, etc.

 

You forgot the "war machine"....

[cal50]

[FiredMotorCompany]

"It's a madhouse, a MADHOUSE!"

[RangerM]

 

You forgot the "war machine"....

Republicans believe they can control a war. Democrats believe they can control an economy. Both are wrong.

[goinbroke2]

Keep getting your talking points from Florida`s Senator Marco Rubio, huh? Even the poorest amongst us can pull themselves up by their boot straps and achieve the so called American Dream and become Wealthy and live the "good life". BS! You tell me how working (2) Part Time Jobs at or close to minimum wages in the service sector is going to get anyone out of their situation? Tell the Fireman, Policeman, Teacher, Postal Worker, the last of the "working poor" how they will ever be able to move "up-town" and buy a mega house on the Ocean or the Hamptons, purchase a high end Vehicle and take lavish vacations on their Salary? I`d like to get some of that (medical grade) marijuana your smoking. What a hoot. Those that carry a lunch pail to work and punch a time clock are the biggest supporters of "Americans For Prosperity" and "American Crossroads", the billionaire Koch Brothers and Karl Roves lobby group. They got your back. Too bad it has a bulls eyes target on it.

You know phil, your wrong and I'm proof. I'm in the Army, who joins the army to become rich? I certainly didn't. But I invested, spent wisely and now I am VERY well off compared to many others. Last year I made $78,000 and I can list the number of "things" I own. If I wanted to become rich I would of started my own business or became a doctor/lawyer/etc. I joined out of patriotism, as did my father and grandfather. I go to the PMQ's and see new cars/trucks/seadoo's etc and I laugh. I've owned 9 houses due to postings and can't imagine pissing my money away a lot do living in PMQ's. They will not be rich when they retire, heck what do you call rich? I'm not rich compared to some, but I'm super rich if you compare me to others.

I'm driving a 2013 fully loaded edge and the wife is driving a 2013 focus (or escort/titanium/whatever that is in the driveway as she calls it LOL)

 

I also know of a teacher who retired, is living in B.C. now, has 400 acres and lives off the grid. She has a new Ford truck and a focus as well, the teachers pension pays the taxes and her cattle pays for everything else. She's "rich" if you want to look at her quality of life...even though she was a teacher. She saved her whole career and bought the farm when she retired.

 

So, your wrong, it's not the job, it's not the "life handed me lemons", or any other "poor me" story. I think akirby said it best;

" You're just jealous that other people have more than you and you feel guilty about people that have less than you."

 

The entitlement era, where everybody feels that they should have as much as everybody else...just because.

[goinbroke2]

Oh, and since nothing is true here without a link...

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/reg-force-ncm-class-c-rates.page

 

Plus add my PLD (post living differential of $600 a month)

Plus I seem to keep having field excursions/TD (temporary duty) and yeah, I made $78,000 last year. Yes I started out as a private making $540 a month I believe it was in '84 and yet somehow...I got promoted and saved and.....your just plain wrong phil, face it.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Oh, and since nothing is true here without a link...

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-pay/reg-force-ncm-class-c-rates.page

 

Plus add my PLD (post living differential of $600 a month)

Plus I seem to keep having field excursions/TD (temporary duty) and yeah, I made $78,000 last year. Yes I started out as a private making $540 a month I believe it was in '84 and yet somehow...I got promoted and saved and.....your just plain wrong phil, face it.

"But, I failed and it must not be my fault, because I sweated and worked real hard (regardless of if the hard work was the right work or the right approach), so the others who fail must also be victims of others malace and indifference."

 

How's that for an explaination for phil's perspective?

[FiredMotorCompany]

Well it looks like this forum has been strangled to death.

 

It was fun while it lasted.

[akirby]

What's left to discuss that hasn't been discussed a hundred times already?

 

You just want to argue the same points over and over with liberals who are just as passionate as you are. It may be fun to you but nobody else and it doesn't belong on an AUTOMOTIVE website.

[FiredMotorCompany]

You got what you wanted.

 

Surely you have ZERO complaints from users now.

[akirby]

The decision was unanimous by 3 people, not just me.

[Imawhosure]

You got what you wanted.

 

Surely you have ZERO complaints from users now.

Sometimes Fired, we tend to discuss the wrong things while having the correct ideas, in the wrong places.

 

CONSIDER---------> The OBYSMAL policy on fossil fuels! How do autoworkers support such nonsense, to raise the price of what is needed to fuel the products they build; in other words, supporting nonsense that could very well put them out of a job, their job, their UNION job!?!?!?!

 

Also consider; how do union employees complain about the rich, when 8 of the top 10 richest people in congress, (reported by MSN which is affiliate of the left wings MSNBC) are DEMOCRATS; and far, far, faaaaaaaar left ones at that.

 

Our friends from the left on here, seem to be willing to be able to put forth an excellent UNION argument against Scott Walker of Wisconsin, for basically throwing out public sector unions. How DARE he! How double DARE he!

 

And yet, they listen sooooooo much to socialistic talking points, they forget to not only oppose, but actually support Mr Obamas policies that will have faaaaar more impact on eliminating auto workers jobs, than Scott Walker had in eliminating government jobs.

 

Here is the real deal..............you know those teachers jobs in Wisconsin? How many were eliminated, lol. You won't believe me if I tell you because the left doesn't want to hear the truth; and if it does, it doesn't want to ADMIT it. And here is something else it doesn't want to admit, since the changes in Wisconsin took effect, how many teachers do YOU think opted out of the union of their own free will? You won't believe me when I post that fact either, but it is over 25%, and that is just a tease for you to find out the true percentage.

 

So let us all clearly understand the gist of this post-------------> UAW members SUPPORTED with money, the public sector unions of Wisconsin, against Scott Walker, to the eventual conclusion that over 25% of the union teachers couldn't wait to run like crazy from the union.

 

On the other hand.......the UAW SUPPORTS Mr Obamas energy policies, his epa, and everything else related to the environment including mass transit, that will have a huge, negative, impact upon their job.

 

Yep, sounds like some people are being pulled around by their nose to me, but somehow after being in the auto industry as a union worker, that doesn't surprise me at all.

 

That Fired, is talking about the auto industry, on an auto industry site that has relevance.

 

Personally, I too would like to ask the autoworkers over and over about.........if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor; or maybe the Obamacare penalty is not a tax, until the supreme court says it is.......which it did, lol.

 

But our tact should be instead how these people are going to cost auto worker jobs, many of them belonging to them. As far as I am concerned, logic doesn't kick in for people, until their beliefs have a deleterious affect on their own home. All of the sudden, just like the old Ford commercials, the light bulb comes on. And if they want to proclaim their beliefs are soooooooo strong that they don't care if they lose their jobs or the company folds; then the easy argument can be made that they need to quit now, for they are a cancer in a workforce that wishes to survive.

 

Being a retired autoworker, I have posted before, and I will post again the obvious...........being a free American means you have options. The more options you have, the more free you are. If the government restricts your choices, they are more than likely only allowing you choices, that are acceptable to them. That is not freedom! Realize that your choices are being put for by Mr Obama, Mr Biden, former speaker Pelosi, or maybe current speaker Baihnoir. Now think about it, with a vote of hands, how many of you actually believe these people are so much smarter than you are, they should be deciding for you, what you should do, lololol! Don't ignore it, THEY ARE, by the choices they allow you to have in your life. It is called the OVER REACH of GOVERNMENT!

 

Unions are the same way as of this writing. You are either a liberal democrat, or you are a pariah. It doesn't make any difference that Mr Obamas economy has nothing in common with Mr Reagan or Mr Clintons, it is just he has a D on his chest, so he would proclaim (as will Hillary) vote for me, I will set you free.

 

Are coal miners union people? What about oil workers on rigs? How about the people who made our tires, before they made regulations sooo tough, all the jobs had to be moved away?

 

Those people had their government turn their jobs to nothing, all had to do with energy; or use of it. Are you SURE you are happy sitting there with the people promoting MASS TRANSIT, live in cities, and one size fits all? Hey, do you young people know what a union steel worker once was? Yep divide, and defeat.

 

History teaches all things, and maybe you should look back to see where some of our brothers and sisters were, how they got kicked out of the box and by whom, (yeah, yeah, air traffic controllers, they were white collar anyway, so get off of it and look at people like you) and where you presently think you sit in the line of............whos turn is it to be thrown under the bus for the honor and glory of the radical left. I am not going to insist that I am a genius and you autoworkers are next, but I am far, far, from stupid; and I promise you that your industry (thus your jobs) are on the list, and you are moving up quickly!

Edited October 15, 2014 by Imawhosure

[goinbroke2]

Anybody notice the price of oil lately?

 

Drill baby drill wasn't as stupid as the dems would like you to believe...

[cal50]

Anybody notice the price of oil lately?

 

Drill baby drill wasn't as stupid as the dems would like you to believe...

 

 

Amazing what a little independence does vs heavy dependence on an item for pricing and interaction between parties.

[Imawhosure]

Amazing what a little independence does vs heavy dependence on an item for pricing and interaction between parties.

Yes Goin and Cal, isn't it amazing. But here is something even MORE amazing------------> The House of Saud is fighting any idea of production cuts inside of OPEC. Some inside of OPEC have insisted the thing to do is use the hammer of cuts to raise prices back up, but the House of Saud says no, no way. They have told their fellow OPEC ministers that they are willing to settle for the price of a barrel of oil to equalize somewhere in the high 70s, to low 80s. That would drop the price of gasoline below 3 bucks a gallon by the way, so expect our monarch to try and add a tax.

 

And so, did the house of Saud get with us? Unfortunately no! They want the price point down to squeeze profits from shale oil and fracking. They don't want competition, so they are willing to lower the price to keep everything else off the market, instead of cutting production to keep prices up enough to keep investments going into their competition.

 

This kinda puts our environmental friends in a catch 22, lol. (finally) We have a glut, and no matter who they try to pressure, we will still have a glut, hehehehehe. And should a republican get elected in 2016. We are going to have so much energy, we will be breaking back out the 1960s version of the Lincoln Continentals. Updated of course.

 

So the 1st Presidential Candidate who runs on getting rid of the EPA, along with these other useless agencies; that is the guy for me!!!!!!!!!! I am sure Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are going to run on it, and the libs will be running too, for the hills that is-) I love it when a plan comes together, even if it was accidental.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Imawhosure