cal50 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Elections have consequences.......too funny it backfires from the guy they supported. http://www.post-gazette.com/business/career-workplace/2015/08/19/Cadillac-tax-key-in-Allegheny-Technologies-lockout/stories/201508190004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle72 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Tpp trade agreement & obamacare both a kick in the balls to labor thx Barack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Nobody is losing insurance. Tier 2's benefits are under the Cadillac tax threshold. The worst thing that could happen is Tier 1's are moved to a package like Tier 2's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Blue Oval Member Blue Oval Member 501 posts Joined 05-September 11 0 warning points Gender:Male Location:Chicago Assembly Current Vehicle:Fucus Interests:Old two lane roads. Posted 29 March 2015 - 05:58 PM The ACA (affordable care act) (Obamacare) will be kicking into the revenue generating phase in 2018. I`m wondering if the IUAW has heard any other early topic`s that Ford wants to discuss at the table this summer along with the a 3rd tier bomb shell. With this contract being put together with in the time frame that will encompass the starting date for the ACA/Obamacare health care cost excise tax, I`m wondering how this 40% excise tax will be paid? "Cadillac health care" plans are health care plans that exceed the government set cost levels. $10K for an employee and $27K for an employee and listed dependence's. Now that means if your health care coverage cost is over these set limits, lets say, $12K for an employee, some one will have to come up with 40% of the $2K above the set limit of $10K or $800 health care cost excise tax. Now most small business`s or self employed won`t have to much to wonder about. Most of their health care coverage will fall with in the ACA/Obamacare limits. Also small business`s have far less employee`s and most will be able to talk with the employee`s to work out who will pay the 40% excise tax. The law states "the provider, the insurance company, or the employer must pay the 40 percent on the portion of the health care cost that is above the caps". Let me make this clear "I" can`t find any language in the law that states the "employee" should pay the health care excise tax. But.....I`m sure the IUAW is all over this and have a plan.... Ok.. back to the old long hair wondering. Entry level, entry level at adjusted rate and any new hire? No worry there, Ford has that covered and the IUAW sold that deal to the membership in the last contract.... You better believe these members will never reach the ACA/Obamacare caps. Lets just say there are 25K legacy or traditional members (whatever Ford/IUAW is referring to us as this week) and each of the 25K legacy or traditional members has only $2K worth of health care coverage over the Obamacare caps, that would be $800 health care cost excise tax. So that would be like this $800 x 25,000 = a bunch of millions..... Then there is the other thing, who knows what our health care costs truly are? Yeah I know you all are saying, "you silly old long hair, its on the bottom of our checks at the end of the year". OK agreed, but who comes up with the health care cost number? Ford, right? Oh the IUAW has a whole team watching the Ford books to be sure they don`t say one thing and actually pay something else? right? Any trades members ever see how Ford states it pays $500 for a tool that snap on is selling on line for $150? You think Ford in multiple ways, could make out on this ACA/Obamacare 40% health care cost excise tax? You think Ford could pull a trick out of their bag of tricks to get the IUAW to think they won by not charging the membership for the health care cost excise tax, by....lowering our health care coverage? We tend to be a group of people (not everyone in the group but the majority) (boy oh boy they come out to vote for those bone us checks) that just look at the bone us checks and then can`t wait to bitch about the contract..... tiers are here to stay, benefits are a thing of the past and legacy members lets pray the government will make Ford and IUAW give us something for all the years we paid into our retirement/pension plan. No, I don`t want to start another savings plan (401K) with what Ford states and the IUAW agrees I and all the other legacy members have invested into "our" (not FORDS or IUAW`s) retirement/pension plan. Get ready to start paying co-payments and welcome to the wacky world of the NEW TRADITIONAL employee`s. Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited by Decker, 29 March 2015 - 09:44 PM. hanginonWHSP and Long forker DTP FINAL like this Decker Posted just a few months ago..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpercable Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Vote for Trump he wants to make America great again and make everything in the US. Maybe he will buy Ford and run it himself? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptObvious Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not many ppl care anymore. What a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Vote for Trump he wants to make America great again and make everything in the US. Maybe he will buy Ford and run it himself? He also thinks Automotive companies should move production to the south and pay less in wages. I can't believe how many people are falling for his act. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 He also thinks Automotive companies should move production to the south and pay less in wages. I can't believe how many people are falling for his act. You must be psychic if you know what he really thinks but Ford IS building two plants WAY south in Mexico...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 You must be psychic if you know what he really thinks but Ford IS building two plants WAY south in Mexico...... He has openly stated that....has nothing to do with being psychic....its you being blind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 He has openly stated that....has nothing to do with being psychic....its you being blind. Amazingly many politicians say one thing and do another hence what they really are thinking. Go figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 There you have it Liberals---at some point---someone---has to WORK to pay for it all.Lucky the liberals cannot tax air,yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 There you have it Liberals---at some point---someone---has to WORK to pay for it all.Lucky the liberals cannot tax air,yet! Air is taxed cause if your breathing your buying something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptObvious Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) There you have it Liberals---at some point---someone---has to WORK to pay for it all.Lucky the liberals cannot tax air,yet!/] might as well put conservatives in same boat cause they bone anyone making less then 100k Edited August 21, 2015 by CaptObvious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpercable Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Where do you want to work Mexico or southern United States you pick genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Where do you want to work Mexico or southern United States you pick genius. If I was going to make less than a living wage.... Mexico can have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 If I was going to make less than a living wage.... Mexico can have it. Your making that right now according to you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr hinkyDink Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Obama is the best! maybe he can change the law of the land and be elected again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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