AdamCaan Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING Now it is 2006 and plants are closing and workers are fed up with the UAW. ANOTHER REASON THE UAW IS SELF-DESTRUCTING - RON GETTELFINGER WANTED FORD TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS (article from August 2003) Unions to companies: Kill our babies by Noah Knox August 27, 2003 The United Auto Workers (UAW) is asking automakers and parts suppliers to include voluntary abortions as "medical care" covered under their collective bargaining extortions. Smaller unions, who lack the UAW's leverage, often use their comrades' documents as boilerplate for their own negotiations. If the unions are successful in pushing through this latest demand, it could very well mean that every American company with union workers will be forced to pay to murder the unborn. The anti-God crowd, of course, is fully supportive of this latest push. Why limit the funding of sin to just tax-paying citizens? Might as well get sponsorships from as many companies as possible! The incredible lies being told to support this effort boggle the mind. USA Today quoted Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America as saying "It's a very significant move that the UAW is taking up the issue, and it reflects thinking that reproductive health care for women is not a luxury, it's basic health care." Huh? Voluntary abortions are basic health care? Voluntary – as in a doctor hasn't said that it's a required medical procedure? Health care - as in ending the life of a human being, created in the image of God, complete with head, body, limbs, fingers, toes, faces, and a beating heart? If that's basic health care then I'm getting even more nervous about my next trip to the doctor! But, of course, Ms. Michelman's statement is completely accurate. The UAW's move does reflect the thinking that this premeditated murder is basic health care. And getting employers to pay for it will further legitimize that lie and convince more people that it's ok. ("Well, if it's a covered procedure, it can't be wrong…" – or even worse – "I know my CEO is a Christian, he wouldn't be paying for this abortion if it were a sin.") REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING UAW abortion request shocks members Some see the proposal as insult to their values September 25, 2003 BY SARAH A. WEBSTER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER The news came as a shock to many UAW members this summer. The UAW was asking Detroit's automakers in confidential contract talks to cover elective abortions in their health care benefits package. At the previous contract negotiations Ron Gettelfinger was trying to get Ford to pay for abortions instead of being concerned about Job Security and Plant closings. Now UAW officers are throwing lies and accusations at all members that are fed up with them but the UAW bully tactics are not working anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSenstad Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I'm not sure what this is really trying to say, it seems to be trying to tie a couple of unrelated issues together. The artilce is obviously slanted but whatever. I think the UAW has strayed far away from the members and it has very little to do with abortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvford Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING Now it is 2006 and plants are closing and workers are fed up with the UAW. ANOTHER REASON THE UAW IS SELF-DESTRUCTING - RON GETTELFINGER WANTED FORD TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS (article from August 2003) Unions to companies: Kill our babies by Noah Knox August 27, 2003 The United Auto Workers (UAW) is asking automakers and parts suppliers to include voluntary abortions as "medical care" covered under their collective bargaining extortions. Smaller unions, who lack the UAW's leverage, often use their comrades' documents as boilerplate for their own negotiations. If the unions are successful in pushing through this latest demand, it could very well mean that every American company with union workers will be forced to pay to murder the unborn. The anti-God crowd, of course, is fully supportive of this latest push. Why limit the funding of sin to just tax-paying citizens? Might as well get sponsorships from as many companies as possible! The incredible lies being told to support this effort boggle the mind. USA Today quoted Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America as saying "It's a very significant move that the UAW is taking up the issue, and it reflects thinking that reproductive health care for women is not a luxury, it's basic health care." Huh? Voluntary abortions are basic health care? Voluntary – as in a doctor hasn't said that it's a required medical procedure? Health care - as in ending the life of a human being, created in the image of God, complete with head, body, limbs, fingers, toes, faces, and a beating heart? If that's basic health care then I'm getting even more nervous about my next trip to the doctor! But, of course, Ms. Michelman's statement is completely accurate. The UAW's move does reflect the thinking that this premeditated murder is basic health care. And getting employers to pay for it will further legitimize that lie and convince more people that it's ok. ("Well, if it's a covered procedure, it can't be wrong…" – or even worse – "I know my CEO is a Christian, he wouldn't be paying for this abortion if it were a sin.") REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING UAW abortion request shocks members Some see the proposal as insult to their values September 25, 2003 BY SARAH A. WEBSTER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER The news came as a shock to many UAW members this summer. The UAW was asking Detroit's automakers in confidential contract talks to cover elective abortions in their health care benefits package. At the previous contract negotiations Ron Gettelfinger was trying to get Ford to pay for abortions instead of being concerned about Job Security and Plant closings. Now UAW officers are throwing lies and accusations at all members that are fed up with them but the UAW bully tactics are not working anymore. Just out of curiousity....are you a female? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING Now it is 2006 and plants are closing and workers are fed up with the UAW. ANOTHER REASON THE UAW IS SELF-DESTRUCTING - RON GETTELFINGER WANTED FORD TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS (article from August 2003) Unions to companies: Kill our babies by Noah Knox August 27, 2003 The United Auto Workers (UAW) is asking automakers and parts suppliers to include voluntary abortions as "medical care" covered under their collective bargaining extortions. Smaller unions, who lack the UAW's leverage, often use their comrades' documents as boilerplate for their own negotiations. If the unions are successful in pushing through this latest demand, it could very well mean that every American company with union workers will be forced to pay to murder the unborn. The anti-God crowd, of course, is fully supportive of this latest push. Why limit the funding of sin to just tax-paying citizens? Might as well get sponsorships from as many companies as possible! The incredible lies being told to support this effort boggle the mind. USA Today quoted Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America as saying "It's a very significant move that the UAW is taking up the issue, and it reflects thinking that reproductive health care for women is not a luxury, it's basic health care." Huh? Voluntary abortions are basic health care? Voluntary – as in a doctor hasn't said that it's a required medical procedure? Health care - as in ending the life of a human being, created in the image of God, complete with head, body, limbs, fingers, toes, faces, and a beating heart? If that's basic health care then I'm getting even more nervous about my next trip to the doctor! But, of course, Ms. Michelman's statement is completely accurate. The UAW's move does reflect the thinking that this premeditated murder is basic health care. And getting employers to pay for it will further legitimize that lie and convince more people that it's ok. ("Well, if it's a covered procedure, it can't be wrong…" – or even worse – "I know my CEO is a Christian, he wouldn't be paying for this abortion if it were a sin.") REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING UAW abortion request shocks members Some see the proposal as insult to their values September 25, 2003 BY SARAH A. WEBSTER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER The news came as a shock to many UAW members this summer. The UAW was asking Detroit's automakers in confidential contract talks to cover elective abortions in their health care benefits package. At the previous contract negotiations Ron Gettelfinger was trying to get Ford to pay for abortions instead of being concerned about Job Security and Plant closings. Now UAW officers are throwing lies and accusations at all members that are fed up with them but the UAW bully tactics are not working anymore. Too bad your parents didn't abort you. George Carlin said it best: "conservatives want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers." :cheerleader: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIMBO2 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Get the finger = Hypocrite Honorary March of Dimes chairman (stop birth defects) Abortion advocate (stop births) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Get the finger = Hypocrite Honorary March of Dimes chairman (stop birth defects) Abortion advocate (stop births) Hypocrisy (n): the practice of claiming to have moral standards to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense. Examples: claiming to be "against abortion, pro-life, etc." yet FOR: the death penalty; bombing (killing) women and children; being against stem-cell research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 (edited) Hypocrisy (n): the practice of claiming to have moral standards to which one's ownbehavior does not conform; pretense. Examples: claiming to be "against abortion, pro-life, etc." yet FOR: the death penalty; bombing (killing) women and children; being against stem-cell research. Pumpmaster, very well said, sir. Very well said. AdamCaan. JIMBO2 & the rest have stop drinking the poison Kool-aid of the extreme right, and start thinking for themselves, instead of parroting the tired, old rhetoric of the fascists end of conservative politics. In fact, they need to get a life - their own. Edited August 27, 2006 by Len_A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMagic_1 Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Too bad we didn't get it. You might have been one of them. Well played! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sentinel Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Too bad your parents didn't abort you. George Carlin said it best: "conservatives want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers." :cheerleader: Is there something wrong with being a soilder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMagic_1 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Is there something wrong with being a soilder? I think he was making a point that conservatives tend to favor going to war. Personally, I think it's great to serve your country. The men and woman of the military don't decide if we go to war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug M Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I think he was making a point that conservatives tend to favor going to war. Personally, I think it's great to serve your country. The men and woman of the military don't decide if we go to war. No one is forced to join the military in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 No one is forced to join the military in the USA. Perhaps if there was mandatory military service for all citizens INCLUDING the sons of rich Republican politicians, the government would be a little more selective about what causes it sends their troops to fight for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMagic_1 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Perhaps if there was mandatory military service for all citizens INCLUDING the sons of rich Republican politicians, the government would be a little more selective about what causes it sends their troops to fight for. I agree. Nice post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Is there something wrong with being a soilder? look- it's "doesnt get the joke guy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgrunt Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Perhaps if there was mandatory military service for all citizens INCLUDING the sons of rich Republican politicians, the government would be a little more selective about what causes it sends their troops to fight for. hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more republican members of the senate and congress that have sons and daughters serving voluntarily in our armed forces..than there are of their limp wristed counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMagic_1 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more republican members of the senate and congress that have sons and daughters serving voluntarily in our armed forces..than there are of their limp wristed counterparts. Let's see your proof. Post some links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedhvac Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING Now it is 2006 and plants are closing and workers are fed up with the UAW. This issue is not about abortion. That is a personal choice, one that the UAW should never asked Ford to pay for. About 30,000 Ford workers have already and will continue to lose there jobs. Job security should always be the issue at contract talks. This union is self-destructing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukka Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Well played! Bunch of socialist nazi left wingers......I have a solution for your abortion woes...keep your filthy legs closed and you shouldn't have to murder the life inside you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvford Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Perhaps if there was mandatory military service for all citizens INCLUDING the sons of rich Republican politicians, the government would be a little more selective about what causes it sends their troops to fight for. :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Bunch of socialist nazi left wingers......I have a solution for your abortion woes...keep your filthy legs closed and you shouldn't have to murder the life inside you. I don't think the words "socialist" and "nazi" go together. Of course you probably don't understand that, seeing that you're pretty far right of Attila the Hun. I have a better solution for all of you on the far right - mind your own business when it comes to the sex lives of other adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukka Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I don't think the words "socialist" and "nazi" go together. Of course you probably don't understand that, seeing that you're pretty far right of Attila the Hun. I have a better solution for all of you on the far right - mind your own business when it comes to the sex lives of other adults. Learn your history Lenny....the Nazi's were a far left socialist form of government. As for me....I never mention where I was on the political thermometer nor that I was even affiliated with Attila the hun? Where in the hell did you pull the crap from? It appears your warped little mind needs a masengile. Yes it is my business about your sex life especially when your open up for business, getting pregnant and tossing life aside like a half eaten big mac. I'll bet your the type that doesn't even look at the your choices when it come to voting....what ever's good for the union is good for you...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony James Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 hate to burst your bubble, but there are far more republican members of the senate and congress that have sons and daughters serving voluntarily in our armed forces..than there are of their limp wristed counterparts. Prove it! I'll be waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony James Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING Now it is 2006 and plants are closing and workers are fed up with the UAW. ANOTHER REASON THE UAW IS SELF-DESTRUCTING - RON GETTELFINGER WANTED FORD TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS (article from August 2003) Unions to companies: Kill our babies by Noah Knox August 27, 2003 The United Auto Workers (UAW) is asking automakers and parts suppliers to include voluntary abortions as "medical care" covered under their collective bargaining extortions. Smaller unions, who lack the UAW's leverage, often use their comrades' documents as boilerplate for their own negotiations. If the unions are successful in pushing through this latest demand, it could very well mean that every American company with union workers will be forced to pay to murder the unborn. The anti-God crowd, of course, is fully supportive of this latest push. Why limit the funding of sin to just tax-paying citizens? Might as well get sponsorships from as many companies as possible! The incredible lies being told to support this effort boggle the mind. USA Today quoted Kate Michelman, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America as saying "It's a very significant move that the UAW is taking up the issue, and it reflects thinking that reproductive health care for women is not a luxury, it's basic health care." Huh? Voluntary abortions are basic health care? Voluntary – as in a doctor hasn't said that it's a required medical procedure? Health care - as in ending the life of a human being, created in the image of God, complete with head, body, limbs, fingers, toes, faces, and a beating heart? If that's basic health care then I'm getting even more nervous about my next trip to the doctor! But, of course, Ms. Michelman's statement is completely accurate. The UAW's move does reflect the thinking that this premeditated murder is basic health care. And getting employers to pay for it will further legitimize that lie and convince more people that it's ok. ("Well, if it's a covered procedure, it can't be wrong…" – or even worse – "I know my CEO is a Christian, he wouldn't be paying for this abortion if it were a sin.") REMEMBER WHEN: COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE REASONS THE UAW IS FAILING UAW abortion request shocks members Some see the proposal as insult to their values September 25, 2003 BY SARAH A. WEBSTER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER The news came as a shock to many UAW members this summer. The UAW was asking Detroit's automakers in confidential contract talks to cover elective abortions in their health care benefits package. At the previous contract negotiations Ron Gettelfinger was trying to get Ford to pay for abortions instead of being concerned about Job Security and Plant closings. Now UAW officers are throwing lies and accusations at all members that are fed up with them but the UAW bully tactics are not working anymore. I find it interesting how Gettelfinger touts his Christian faith and permits this to make it to the table. The International has been negotiating abortion in their own contracts for years now. The reason the UAW is becoming unglued is due to their lack of true democracy within the Rank and File Their top-down policies are backfiring. At a time when we should be mobilizing to fight these plant closings more and more members are flipping the finger at Solidarity House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POfordwkr Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 You're all a bunch of asshats!!! The company is flushing itself down the toilet and the union is supplying the water and all you can think to bitch about is abortion and whether the war in iraq is good or bad? Wake up, let your union leadership know what you want, and try to save your jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raws41900 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 They are probably attached to domestic units, kinda like how little 'dubya avoided Vietnam. where was Clinton during vietnam? oh yeah, running from the draft. You're all a bunch of asshats!!! The company is flushing itself down the toilet and the union is supplying the water and all you can think to bitch about is abortion and whether the war in iraq is good or bad? Wake up, let your union leadership know what you want, and try to save your jobs. let our union leadership know what i want?.. shouldnt it be obvious that me and most others want A JOB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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