chassisgroupleader Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm glad I got my Union Plus Credit card this Year. Morale is so low everywhere, there is a high probability of a strike, regardless of how you vote. Keep your cash and make minimum payments on everything right now. If you have kids in College contact your Financial aid Office and Explain your situation(if there is a strike). This has the possibility of getting very ugly, very fast. Whatever happens lets remember this could be the Middle Class last stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm glad I got my Union Plus Credit card this Year. Morale is so low everywhere, there is a high probability of a strike, regardless of how you vote. Keep your cash and make minimum payments on everything right now. If you have kids in College contact your Financial aid Office and Explain your situation(if there is a strike). This has the possibility of getting very ugly, very fast. Whatever happens lets remember this could be the Middle Class last stand. There ISN'T going to be any strike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 There ISN'T going to be any strike... How can you be so sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) You do realize that this could drag on and on, right? Did you read something or did a rep say anything about the extension of the present contract? Any deadline dates? Will they walk away from the target to put another company into a tentative agreement? (not likely) chassisgroupleader you have been working under an extension of a local agreement for over eight years, past its end date. The IUAW just sent a message to every business in the world, they caved again. What makes you think a strike is right around the corner? Strike, by the cavin-est organization in recorded history? The IUAW will never stop their gravy train. Strike means no dues, tier #1 or tier #2 and all those tier #3 members at CAP. Not to mention what do they do with the units of a local that don`t work for Ford like we have? will those units go out on strike? Will TDM go out on strike or due to lack of work be laid off? Our parts sorters? Our clean up members? laid off or strike? Did we go out on strike when Lear when out on strike? Why didn`t the activist/politician bring that up when he was rambling about stopping the tiers at Lear? Maybe a little to much patting himself on the back? Oh wait the tiers are still there. never mind. Then the big question, cross the line to work at these units till their work runs out? or not and hit to wall of, being replaced? Now its being said our resident activist/politician (VP) is stock piling 55 gallon drums and scrap wood from Home Depot for the strike of all times. This is the same activist/politician that gets that glazed donut eatin look on his face and runs to the nearest picket line no matter where it is. The same picture in the Hammond Times actopoloticain that said the two tier`s were gone at the seat company supplier.... Then was real quit when the seat supplier started shipping work to a plant in Portage. Strike? really? maybe in the dream world of the super duper actopoloticain but, in reality??? Hell, Ford is singing all the way to the bank. They get to keep paying for labor at the same rate as ten years ago for tier #1 and they are paying g-d dam way to low for the same labor being performed by tier #2 and lets not forget who put this the latest we gotta help the company shit in place.... Thanks IUAW for keeping your indentured income generators working..... Your advice is good and very to the point about slowing down on paying down debt at this point, but getting ugly and fast? Are you talking about a strike or our resident actopoloticain after running to a picket line? One other thing about getting laid off or being on strike, strike benefits allow for dues deductions (at a reduced rate) while being laid off makes dues rendered by the members. Do you think the work shortage laid off members will rush to the hall to pay those dues? Decker 1 of the 1788 Edited September 27, 2015 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 You do realize that this could drag on and on, right? Did you read something or did a rep say anything about the extension of the present contract? Any deadline dates? Will they walk away from the target to put another company into a tentative agreement? (not likely) chassisgroupleader you have been working under an extension of a local agreement for over eight years, past its end date. The IUAW just sent a message to every business in the world, they caved again. What makes you think a strike is right around the corner? Strike, by the cavin-est organization in recorded history? The IUAW will never stop their gravy train. Strike means no dues, tier #1 or tier #2 and all those tier #3 members at CAP. Not to mention what do they do with the units of a local that don`t work for Ford like we have? will those units go out on strike? Will TDM go out on strike or due to lack of work be laid off? Our parts sorters? Our clean up members? laid off or strike? Did we go out on strike when Lear when out on strike? Why didn`t the activist/politician bring that up when he was rambling about stopping the tiers at Lear? Maybe a little to much patting himself on the back? Oh wait the tiers are still there. never mind. Then the big question, cross the line to work at these units till their work runs out? or not and hit to wall of, being replaced? Now its being said our resident activist/politician (VP) is stock piling 55 gallon drums and scrap wood from Home Depot for the strike of all times. This is the same activist/politician that gets that glazed donut eatin look on his face and runs to the nearest picket line no matter here it is. The same picture in the Hammond Times actopoloticain that said the two tier`s were gone at the seat company supplier.... Then was real quit when the seat supplier started shipping work to a plant in Portage. Strike? really? maybe in the dream world of the super duper actopoloticain but, in reality??? Hell, Ford is singing all the way to the bank. They get to keep paying for labor at the same rate as ten years ago for tier #1 and they are paying g-d dam way to low for the same labor being performed by tier #2 and lets not forget who put this the latest we gotta help the company shit in place.... Thanks IUAW for keeping your indentured income generators working..... Your advice is good and very to the point about slowing down on paying down debt at this point, but getting ugly and fast? Are you talking about a strike or our resident actopoloticain after running to a picket line? Decker 1 of the 1788 I agree with you about the CAP VP, but the lack of Union Leadership worries me. It seems to me they do not have a clue, and that makes it dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 How can you be so sure? IUAW won't allow it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Some of the best leadership ever, that has been in place, was based on leading by example. This is something that our union leadership has completely move away from. Look around we don`t have leadership we have politicians pretending to be activists or union representatives and every day that goes by these self centered, personal political gain deceivers go about their agenda`s with all the half truths, just plain lies and the untold number of deals that are proving their true intentions to more and more of the people that are seen as just a vote. Until the "things" that our leaders look at as just indentured income generators (dues) and just a vote become the people with faces nothing will change. True leaders will state the truth even if those votes or income makers don`t want to hear the truth without fearing the loss of the most cherished thing our current leaders hold so dear, not getting re elected. Our labor movement is being lead by, for the most part half ass politicians, poor at best business leaders and by some of the worst things that could happen to a people organization that dosen`t hold even the international constitution as the laws to lead our labor organization. Let me ask a question, how could this union leadership go on strike after giving the "take it or leave it" answers to the highest authority? Again. We are not in a position to strike. Once again, we have been put in this unfavorable position by our less than business orientated business agents. Decker 1 of the 1788 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Some of the best leadership ever, that has been in place, was based on leading by example. This is something that our union leadership has completely move away from. Look around we don`t have leadership we have politicians pretending to be activists or union representatives and every day that goes by these self centered, personal political gain deceivers go about their agenda`s with all the half truths, just plain lies and the untold number of deals that are proving their true intentions to more and more of the people that are seen as just a vote. Until the "things" that our leaders look at as just indentured income generators (dues) and just a vote become the people with faces nothing will change. True leaders will state the truth even if those votes or income makers don`t want to hear the truth without fearing the loss of the most cherished thing our current leaders hold so dear, not getting re elected. Our labor movement is being lead by, for the most part half ass politicians, poor at best business leaders and by some of the worst things that could happen to a people organization that dosen`t hold even the international constitution as the laws to lead our labor organization. Let me ask a question, how could this union leadership go on strike after giving the "take it or leave it" answers to the highest authority? Again. We are not in a position to strike. Once again, we have been put in this unfavorable position by our less than business orientated business agents. Decker 1 of the 1788 We absolutely are in a position to strike but it'll never happen because it won't be allowed by the IUAW, a strike is the only leverage we have. I never understood why any contract would pass the first time around?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 We absolutely are in a position to strike but it'll never happen because it won't be allowed by the IUAW, a strike is the only leverage we have. I never understood why any contract would pass the first time around?? If you don't mind, how much time do you have in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 We absolutely are in a position to strike but it'll never happen because it won't be allowed by the IUAW, a strike is the only leverage we have. I never understood why any contract would pass the first time around?? So you disagree? Yet you agree? Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glow Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) ..... just plain lies and the untold number of deals that are proving their true intentions to more and more of the people that are seen as just a vote. Decker,,,,I agree with you a bunch of lies is what they keep feeding us before we get slaughtered again! WTF? Edited September 27, 2015 by Glow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) So you disagree? Yet you agree? Decker I agree that we should strike but can't see it being allowed Edited September 27, 2015 by Downtime1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Is it going to further the IUAW "leadership's" own self serving agendas? Nope, it most certainly will not. There will not be a strike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Back to the topic. The Union Plus Card is a decent card, decent rewards, not completely terrible interest. I've had mine for a while and the only other card I have that I like better is my Discover IT card. Edited September 27, 2015 by caustic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Several plants have been running daily for years without a local agreement. If a national is rejected it will be business as usual under the old agreement / extension /grace period or whatever you want to call it but a strike is a very small probability in actual terms IMHO. If the IUAW actually cared and was involved ALL plants would hammer out a local agreement and adhere to it. Many do not and ours does not even follow the old agreement. (It's all about the dues ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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