mackinaw Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Can't say I am suprised by the numbers but for some reason analysts were predicting an increase for ford along with GM-chrylser was supposed to be one of the losers Just shows you what the so-called experts know. Now that the Taurus is history, I suspect that year-to-date comparisons for the upcoming year will be dismal. You can't walk away from that much fleet volume without an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 What is the relevance of that question?F-series barely outsold the Silverado and was soundly thumped by the GM pickups. Dodge pickup sales were also up. Get it over with and start that 'Bluecon was right again' thread GM Pickups have outsold F-series for about past 5 years .. but it JUST became an issue - and an indication of how Ford will fail ? ??? ? oh my .. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 GM Pickups have outsold F-series for about past 5 years .. but it JUST became an issue - and an indication of how Ford will fail ? ??? ? oh my .. Igor I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Just shows you what the so-called experts know. Now that the Taurus is history, I suspect that year-to-date comparisons for the upcoming year will be dismal. You can't walk away from that much fleet volume without an impact. well they were right about most everyone else...the analysist's gather sales data from a variety of sources including many manufacturer's themselves.....sounded like ford got caught off guard and even suprised themselves that sales declined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. WTF are you talking about? The F-series is the best selling "NAMEPLATE" in the US. The COMBINED sales of GMC and Chevy Pickups is greater then F-series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 What is the relevance of that question? GM has been outselling Ford for years. Your big thing was Chevy outselling Ford. Remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilge Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Have several buddies that are self employed contractors each in a different business... would not even look at a Ford this year. One new dodge, two new yotas, one nissan later,, Ford lost four repeat sales. Not only were lost sales, but these folks drove Fords for the last 15-20 years. The dodge beat out the 6.uh oh, no way would he buy another Ford diesel again right now, maybe next time. The others did not want to drive a f150 homo or be associated with that image. Like it or not, this is the way these former ford customers feel. If ford wants to keep pushing and spending on the gay agenda,, that is ok,, just be prepared for a smaller customer base. Losing em one at a time, all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. Time to start the Bluecon was wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Have several buddies that are self employed contractors each in a different business... would not even look at a Ford this year. One new dodge, two new yotas, one nissan later,, Ford lost four repeat sales. Not only were lost sales, but these folks drove Fords for the last 15-20 years. The dodge beat out the 6.uh oh, no way would he buy another Ford diesel again right now, maybe next time. The others did not want to drive a f150 homo or be associated with that image. Like it or not, this is the way these former ford customers feel. If ford wants to keep pushing and spending on the gay agenda,, that is ok,, just be prepared for a smaller customer base. Losing em one at a time, all the time. thats all pretty assinine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Time to start the Bluecon was wrong thread. Let us look at last Novembers numbers. GM pickups sold 52,564 Ford F-series 62,878. Last November Ford F-series outsold the GM pickups by more than 10K. GM pickup sales are way up this November and Ford F-series is way down. You guys are pathetic. You can't even get that right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Star Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I don't know if its was 5 years, but I know that last year Silverado & Sierra outsold F-Series. Chevy did and did not outsold Ford last year, depending how you look at situation. Compared to numbers both companies showed at the end, Chevy outsold Ford. However, Ford later found out that Chevy used numbers of vehicles made, not vehicles sold, so Chevy was counting numbers of vehicles that are still at dealer's lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. 2005 & 2004 GM: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/05/205609.html 2003 & 2002 GM: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/01/06/175940.html I let you find the Ford Figures - I know BON has them. Igor Let us look at last Novembers numbers.GM pickups sold 52,564 Ford F-series 62,878. Last November Ford F-series outsold the GM pickups by more than 10K. GM pickup sales are way up this November and Ford F-series is way down. You guys are pathetic. You can't even get that right. see my post above ... and do look at my links .. and since these are DECEMBER 05 and DECEMBER 03 reports.. LOOK AT the YTD Sales .. in 2005 and 2004 in the first link and 2003 and 2002 in the second ... that is the only thing that matter s.. not your "they are down and they are up etc asslysis .. Igor Edited December 1, 2006 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) You guys are pathetic. You can't even get that right. Tell you what. I'll post GM numbers. You look up Ford numbers. 2005 Silverado: 705,980 Sierra: 229,488 Subtotal: 935,468 Avalanche: 63,186 Total: 998,654 2004 Silverado: 680,768 Sierra: 213,756 Subtotal: 894,524 Avalanche: 80,566 Total: 975,090 2003 Silverado: 684,302 Sierra: 196,689 Subtotal: 880,991 Avalanche: 93,482 Total: 974,473 2002 Silverado: 652,646 Sierra: 202,045 Subtotal: 854,691 Avalanche: 89,372 Total: 944,063 2001 Silverado: 716,051 Sierra: 210,154 Subtotal: 926,205 Avalanche: 52,905 Total: 979,110 2000 Silverado: 642,119 Sierra: 188,907 Total: 831,026 Edited December 1, 2006 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Igorsee my post above ... and do look at my links .. and since these are DECEMBER 05 and DECEMBER 03 reports.. LOOK AT the YTD Sales .. in 2005 and 2004 in the first link and 2003 and 2002 in the second ... that is the only thing that matter s.. not your "they are down and they are up etc asslysis .. Igor It matters very much what the November numbers were. I said that the new GM pickups were going to put a big hurt on the F-series. GM pickup sales are up more than 20%, Dodge pickup sales are up and F-series is down 16%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 And to not put too fine point to it .. November YTD Figures: Silverado: 2006: 583,673 2005: 637,210 Sierra: 2006: 193,195 2005: 208,157 GM TOTAL: 2006: 776,868 2005: 845,367 F-series: 2006: 725,495 2005: 811,972 LINK: GM: http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet...amp;docid=30971 FORD: http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?...p;make_id=trust Igor It matters very much what the November numbers were. I said that the new GM pickups were going to put a big hurt on the F-series. GM pickup sales are up more than 20%, Dodge pickup sales are up and F-series is down 16%. hmmm .... and he still argues .. hehe ... Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 It matters very much what the November numbers were. Lessee. The Esperante GTLM won LeMans with an OHV engine, right? Wrong, 'but my point was that you don't need an OHC engine to make a lot of power' It's sunny in 99.9% of the universe, right? Wrong, 'back on topic.....' GM combined has never outsold Ford, right? Wrong, 'I said that the GM trucks were going to .....' C'mon Bluecon, admit you were wrong. It's almost painless. I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. "Bump" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Why do we have to go through the same tired debate every first of the month. (insert nameplate here) is being outsold by blah. Or blah sucks because it hasn't sold over 10k units this month. Thanks for nothing, as usual, Bluecon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Why do we have to go through the same tired debate every first of the month. (insert nameplate here) is being outsold by blah. Or blah sucks because it hasn't sold over 10k units this month. Thanks for nothing, as usual, Bluecon. How is that Fusion doing? Bluecon right again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 How is that Fusion doing?Bluecon right again. I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) How is that Fusion doing?Bluecon right again. LET'S RECAP I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. 2005 & 2004 GM: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/05/205609.html 2003 & 2002 GM: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2004/01/06/175940.html I let you find the Ford Figures - I know BON has them. Igor Let us look at last Novembers numbers.GM pickups sold 52,564 Ford F-series 62,878. Last November Ford F-series outsold the GM pickups by more than 10K. GM pickup sales are way up this November and Ford F-series is way down. You guys are pathetic. You can't even get that right. see my post above ... and do look at my links .. and since these are DECEMBER 05 and DECEMBER 03 reports.. LOOK AT the YTD Sales .. in 2005 and 2004 in the first link and 2003 and 2002 in the second ... that is the only thing that matter s.. not your "they are down and they are up etc asslysis .. Igor And to not put too fine point to it .. November YTD Figures: Silverado: 2006: 583,673 2005: 637,210 Sierra: 2006: 193,195 2005: 208,157 GM TOTAL: 2006: 776,868 2005: 845,367 F-series: 2006: 725,495 2005: 811,972 LINK: GM: http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet...amp;docid=30971 FORD: http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?...p;make_id=trust Igor It matters very much what the November numbers were. I said that the new GM pickups were going to put a big hurt on the F-series. GM pickup sales are up more than 20%, Dodge pickup sales are up and F-series is down 16%. hmmm .... and he still argues .. hehe ... Igor I think you were proven wrong .. just changing the topic .. as usual .. but I have better things to do on Friday night .. y'all have fun Igor Edited December 1, 2006 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Lessee. The Esperante GTLM won LeMans with an OHV engine, right? Wrong, 'but my point was that you don't need an OHC engine to make a lot of power' It's sunny in 99.9% of the universe, right? Wrong, 'back on topic.....' GM combined has never outsold Ford, right? Wrong, 'I said that the GM trucks were going to .....' C'mon Bluecon, admit you were wrong. It's almost painless. "Bump" Look at the last November figures and I am right in what I said that the new GM pickups are going to hurt the Ford Motor Company big time. It is happening before your very eyes yet you refuse to accept the truth. You are going to go down with the Fordtanic. :titanic: I think you were proven wrong .. just changing the topic .. as usual .. Are you using Elbonian rules to prove me wrong? but I have better things to do on Friday night .. y'all have fun Igor Using North American rules I have proven myself right. Ford handily outsold Gm last November in pickups. Therefore GM pickups have not always outsold F-series. I said nothing about yearly sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 It is happening before your very eyes yet you refuse to accept the truth. I really don't think you can back that up with a link because it is not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) How is that Fusion doing?Bluecon right again. A bit better than the brand new Sebrings found at the local Dollar Rent-A-Car all over S.E. Florida. Complete with the optional barcode package. Edited December 1, 2006 by Michael Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Are you using Elbonian rules to prove me wrong? Richard please note hateful personal attack above ... Thanks .. Igor Edited December 1, 2006 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Therefore GM pickups have not always outsold F-series. That is a mighty turnaround, Bluecon, as you were as recently as, oh, an HOUR AGO, insisting that GM had NEVER outsold FORD (edit) UNTIL THIS YEAR. Richard please note hateful personal attack above ... Thanks .. Igor If you don't mind, I'll let that one slide. Whole dang board knows he gaffed a big'un, and if all he does is insist that your rules are "Elbonian", that's not too bad. This is still something of a contact sport, y'know. Besides, he hasn't attacked you personally, just said that your reasoning was faulty. Edited December 1, 2006 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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