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The Camry is now the old man's car. I see more and more grey hair behind the wheel of new Camry's around here. Couldn't be happening to a nicer car!

If you don't see the point then go ahead and buy a Fusion instead. Many people say this is the real successor to the 99-07 Taurus anyway. If you love the '08 & '09 Taurus go buy one of those. I see many at dealers around my neck of the woods at fantasitc prices with low miles! Why buy a '10 Taurus over a Fusion or 300 or import? 1. Safety. It is tops. You want your family to have the best chance of walking away from a crash. 2. More room than Fusion / Malibu / Camry / Accord. 3. It is not a Chrysler. Sorry but the 300 is old technology and overpriced and a gas hog and who knows where or if Chrysler will be in 5 years. 4. All the new technolgy packed into the car. 5. It is FWD / AWD. Some people dont want RWD in the family hauler. 6. Looks. It does look pretty cool for a Taurus! :shades: 7. If you want a large Sedan, What other choices do you have at this price point? (I am talking SEL trim prices not SHO.)

Someone please confirm the 4000 lbs is not true! Please Please!

I had to rent a car last spring after and accedent and I had a hard time getting ANY car from GM, Ford or Mopar. When I told them I wanted an american car I had to wait a few hours for a call back. They told me the best they could do was a Pontiac vibe. I hatted it! But it was better then driving an Asian car for two weeks.

99-04 mustang GT: External dimensions: length (inches): 183.2, width (inches): 73.1, wheelbase (inches): 101.3 Weights: curb weight (lbs) 3,273 This was smaller than both of the above. Get back to these deminsions with 400 HP and you have a winner!

First of all: Genesis sales figures (I would guess this includes coupes and 4 doors!) CARLINE OCT/2009 OCT/2008 GENESIS 1,850 1,121 source http://www.hyundainews.com/Corporate_News/...3_2009_3326.asp So I guess if Ford wants to reduce it's sales by more than 1/2 yes, even after adding a 4 door go for it! Next, the 2014 Mustang: Smaller: Yes Lighter: Yes Turbo I4 option: Yes as long as it keeps completive weight to HP ratio with competition's entry level. V6 Ecoboost in GT: Yes but V8 must be option in GT also. Maybe call the turbo 6 something else SVO or maybe LX?! The V8 of 2014 could also get much better mileage than what we have now!!! Drop the V8 from the GT altogether? Never.! I have an '04 GT and you know what? Even though it is "only" 260 HP, 300 ft-lbs torque, it would not be a Mustang with out the V8 sound. It is what makes the car. I had a co worker over from Europe on day and we went to lunch and as soon as I turned the key his face light up and he says "V8, cool!" That is why people buy Mustangs and Camaros. I don't care how small the V8 has to get it still should be a V8!!! Take the Mustang "upscale"? No. You can always have special editions for the few who have the cash. Doesn't the Cobra cover these people? Also what about Lincoln. If you want a super luxury / Euro sprots car Mustang for mucho $$$ make it a Lincoln!!! Actually I think the dimensions of the '94-'04 Mustangs with 2014 styling and power trains is about what Ford needs to do. Oh and the 4000 to 5000 sales per month of Mustang will get better when the new engines get here next spring and the newness of Camaro wears off. I seriously doubt Genesis is taking any sales from Mustang. OK maybe one, they guy who started this Thread.

All good thoughts. I would say it must ALWAYS have a V8. With out the sound it is just not a Mustang GT. Ford should be able to squeeze enought HP and MPG out of a small V8. Also remember the lighter the car the less HP it needs to be quick. See Chrysler 300 for example of how weight renders HP impotent. On the size thing I will continue to insist it must get smaller. Smaller does not have to mean losing 5 star crash rating. See Fusion for a good example of that. I would like to see it shink back down to the 93-98 Mustang size. Rembmer the next platform will have to survive past 2020. The goverment MPG requirments will get pretty stiff. I don't expect Camaro or anything from MOPAR to survive even into the late teens. But Mustang can if it shrinks. A small 2+2 with a high output small v8. Isn't that what mustang has always been about.? Finally I have to say the price thing is relevant. With the Korean guys selling ever more car for less money even Toyota and Honda are feeling the heat. I know some of the 2010s sticker out at 40K but it is a new refresh. I am hoping a loaded GT can be had for a lot less than that in year or two. I know the '09s can be had cheap if you can still find one! Also didn't Ford just put some cash back on the Mustang? Anyway a base GT should still be had for under 30K. I bet if I go drive one a couple of times next spring and then go home and wait for the sales man to call me 3 or 4 times I could get it for that.

Drove a '10 Taurus SEL this weekend. It was a close to perfect as any Taurus they have ever built. Chyrsler will have to catch Ford before they can ever hope to steal Caddy or Lexus customers....

I don't know. When I stand on the brakes and floor my mustang at the same time I just sit there in a cloud of smoke!!! :shades:

I only used the paddle shifters for 10 minutes while test driving a fusion sport but I agree 100% with your complaint. It seemed awkward to be moving the shifter to a special position to enable the paddle shifters and then having to quickly reach down and put it back when you were done. I simple button on the side like my Mustang has to turn overdrive on / off would be nicer.

I say smaller outer dimensions. Lighter. Better MPG. Whatever it takes to keep this car selling under new CAFE. Must still have V8 option no matter what. But that V8 could get better mileage than the 2010 does! Turbo 4 might be OK if it is around 250 HP as an option (high MPG trim level). A little less Retro. Other ideas? Please lay off the IRS thing though! I say offer IRS on something just above the GT like a Mach I or Boss trim level to satisfy those who want it. But for the average John Q Public the current axle is great. Lastly "keep it, RWD, V8 option, fun, cheap and fast". This is what sells Mustang GTs. Ok have it!

Is it just me or are others wondering why someone would crash if the accelerator was stuck under the floor mat. Why would you not either 1. reach down and pull the floor mat back. 2. Turn the key to the off position. or 3. put the car in neutral. All seem better than running off the road at 100+ MPH. OF course most who buys these cars are not exactly "mechanically inclined".

They forgot Tundra and Tacoma trucks that rust so bad the spare tire and brake lines fall off while you drive down the road. Also Lexus cars where the accelerator sticks wide open and you have to hold the start button down for 3 seconds to get the engine to shut off.

Yeah come on Mulally cancel the Mustang for 8 years! I bet when you bring it back it will out sell the Camaro by 3 or 4 times easy.

I would be looking at an SEL not even limited or SHO. I have and will always have a Mustang if I want to go fast and corner hard. Taurus is my family hauler, trailer puller, going away for the weekend car. If I wanted an Asian car I would not be posting on the "blue oval" anything web site.

Ah yes! That is the one other car that does catch my eye. I wonder if I can get it for the same price as a Taurus? Also isn't the back seat and trunk much smaller? But yes you are correct I would like to test drive a Buick before I bought a Taurus.

IF you want a LAGRE SEDAN I don't see that there is any other choice. Impalla sucks, 300 is getting old and is a gas hog, the Asians don't make anything that big do they? Germans might but you can't afford them. I really would not even know what to cross shop if I was looking at at Taurus.

2004 GT coup, atx 55K miles. Drive it year round even in the snow (snow tires). No probelms. Oil, Tires and wiper blades. That is all. Yes I beat on it sometimes. I don't need a survey. In 2014 I will buy another Mustang....

Thanks for all the comments. But a little redirect here on the conversation: 1. Forget the IRS / Live Axel discussion. That topic has been beat to death. There are dozens of threads already about this argument. We will not settle anything by rehashing it. 2. Forget the engine speculations. I think it is hard to guess what the 2014 or 15 models will have under the hood, but we all have an idea what engines Ford will have in the stable by then. Guessing which ones will be offered on the 2014 or 15 Stang is futile. Even Ford will change it's mind 10 times between now and then. 3. FOCUS ON THE SHEET METAL DIMENSIONS AND POSSIBLE PLATFORMS. I think this is the area that is hardest to predict. If they change platforms what options does for have? Someone mentioned Falcon? If the car gets smaller what platform will it be on? If it looks more modern what will it look like? FOCUS ON THE SHEET METAL, DIMENSIONS AND POSSIBLE PLATFORMS!!! Photo shops would be cool. Ideas?

Two questions: 1. So how much will the car cost? How long will I have to drive it get the Cost of Ownership to equal just buying a Cobalt or Focus for 17K? 2. What is Ford working on? Yes there are many problems with the number Chevy released today but no one can deny this technology will be a game changer if it works and can eventually be offered in the 25K price range. You can bet Toyota is working feverishly on their answer to the Volt. So any rummors on what Ford might have in the works?

Ford should offer the ecoboost V6 and v8 both as an either or option on the GT and let the public deciede. As long as both sell well why does either have to be elminated? Are we that ridged of thinkers that if we offer the ecoboost V6 it has to mean the V8 is no lnoger available? Offer both! Don't choose for me! Case closed as far as I am concerned!!! And yes I own a v8 stang.

My first thought was exactly the same!!! Accord MAXX? What about that new Toyota thing? Camry MAXX? Don't forget the Taurus MAXX, oh I mean Taurus X! I think Accord X sounds better than MAXX. When will we just start calling these what they are are, Station Wagons!?

How do we go from "Rivals' woes give Ford a clear field" to "it's all the UAW's fault" to "wearing a seatbelt on a bus" ?!?!?!? wow!

As the world economy recovers gas prices will go up (have you been to the gas station this week yet?). $4 a gallon is not unthinkable a year or two from now. I think I could consider an all electric for my wife to run the kids to school, run to the store etc. or for me to run back and forth to work (~ 12 miles each way). The real questions are: 1. Will the gas savings make up for the price premium fast enough? 2. Will the batteries last me 150K like a gasoline drive train would? 3. Will the cost of maintanence be lower than a gasoline engine? If the answer is yes to all three then there will be a market for these cars I think.

Chrylser only has two things of value to anyone: 1. Jeep 2. Minivans It would be nice to see number 1 stay american owned.