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Ford seems to be following gm's playbook to a T- a company who leaves a lot to be desired- but they need to be setting their own course like they did in the 1980s and 1990s. gm's playbook is to cheapen the ICE end of things up, cut content, raise prices, lower or eliminate incentives so the excess profits can be plowed into EVs and AVs. It definitely is a sellers market, but at the end of the day, customers will be pissed when they realize they are being overcharged and getting less. By that time the EV efforts will not matter because the buyers have moved on to different brands.

Sorry. No Chinese built crap for me especially when you'll be charging $50k+ for it and you have room in the US to build it...

And I think we'll see some serious government intervention when people smash these things because they are not used to the torque.

I've heard this info recently. Then again who knows what ford management is thinking. They change plans as often as most people change their socks.

I know they're planning for a second shift sometime in the next year or two. I don't know if that is for the Mustang only or the Mustang and another vehicle.

I'm sure the UAW will have some sayso on any shift cuts.

Thus is nothing new. I guarantee you these functions are not being eliminated, they are just being *offshored." At least they gave them until the end of the week aside from other downsizing where folks were given 5 minutes to clean out their desks and escorted out in front of their peerslike thieves .

They never said the electric Ranger would not be built at MAP. There's a lot of room there. That being said, I think a small/midsize EV would have a vast market.

I'm sure this pickup will be more along the Silverado EV or Hummer pickup.

Next years contract talks will be interesting.

I know back in the day when fender skirts used to be a hot item for theft, some guys would tape razor blades inside them to teach the potential theirs a "painful" lesson.

I think that a lot of this hype and embracing of EVs was predicated on Bidens Build Back Broken - I mean Better spending program that is now DOA. I wonder how many people will bite on an EV if massive incentives are not on the table.

I know I'm going to take a lot of heat with this but I feel EVs are a bubble. Everyone is adding new plants and adding to overcapacity. Kind of reminds me of the same issues we had with it at the turn of this century. ?

Good luck being reelected if you are the idiot politician that tries this.

It will not be convenient if you are on the road and have to recharge and spend 45 minutes freezing in your car waiting for the battery to recharge to capture a 100 miles or so of range.

Unfortunately, companies lack common sense. Instead of spending millions to research and perfect carbon capture and synthetic fuels that could be used on existing vehicles as well, they are spending billions on a technology a good deal of the population is not ready for or wants.

Can you imagine the fights that will break out over who had the next turn at the EV station?

Rarely is this an all-or-nothing world. The sweet spot for the market for EVs is probably in the middle of the most optimistic and most pessimistic forecasts. So at this time, we probably can expect a solid 20-25 percent market share for EVs by 2030. I think that GM and Ford were banking- and still are- on Biden's promises of 500K charging stations- of course at the taxpayer expense. Build Back Better is dead, and they will be lucky to get a third of that number. Lack of high-speed and plentiful charging stations will be the bottleneck for full-scale acceptance of EVs. That being said, I have seen things overhyped in this industry. If it were 40 years ago, we would be talking about the phase out of V-8 engines and RWD passenger cars, $3 (in 1982 dollars) a gallon gas, and the death of all but the largest of pickups. The Taurus was supposed to be the full-sized car for the 1980s. The Ranger was supposed to replace the F-Series as the volume pickup. If it were 15 years ago, we would be talking again about the pickup trucks having reached peak sales, the Focus being the new standard passenger car. If there is one thing that we can all agree on is that politicians are stupid when it comes to managing anything businesswise. The only thing they know about vehicles is how to fill the tank if they can even do that themselves. They are in no position to dictate what people will drive yet they do so and some of the "woke" car companies like gm and Ford are happy to capitulate. I personally think that EVs are somewhat of a bubble and the overcapacity that we saw in the early 2000s for gasoline vehicles is happening today with battery and EV plants. There is a great likelihood that some of these proposed megaprojects for EVs and battery plants will be stopped in their tracks when the companies realize that the market for EVs is not as broad as they think. If there is one thing the car companies should have learned over the years is that you cannot shove products and services that folks do not want down their throats.

Ford does not want to rock the boat too much with the UAW. They have not had a strike in over 40 years and I am sure they do not want to risk one now. RE: Blue/Model E, I would not be too surprised to see this ripped up in the next three years. This century at Ford we had everything form the Way Backward, to One Ford to Fitness and other assorted restructurings. I am not sold on "all-electric futures" even with the political pressure. EVs will be a good chunk of the business, but not THE business. It is shaping up as a classical bubble. I already foresee overcapacity issues with batteries and EV companies. Aside from Tesla, I do not see Rivian, Polestar, Lucid, VinFast, et. al all being here in 20 years. Anyone who can predict where this industry is going further than five years is either foolish or lying to you. Remember in 2009 we were told that the days of the large SUV and Pickup have peaked, and that the standard car will now be the Ford Focuses, Chevy Cruzes, and Dodge Darts of the world. GM and Ford converted truck plants to car plants. What happened? You cannot buy a compact or subcompact car from any of the Big Three.

The BEV Mustang is scheduled to go into Flat Rock around 2028-29. Im sure any sedan would be built there as well.

Don't worry, by the time you meet them Ford will have changed plans a dozen times again ?

The F53s are built in a plant in Detroit. They have also built cab/chassis of the F 450s.

The way I tend the article is that these new trucks would be SOLD in Mexico, not built there.

Screw Washington state. Who the hell made them arbritor over the rest of the country? I'm sure this mandate will be overturned in the courts or by the next administration.

It may fit if the vehicle is more like an Outback wagon instead of an SUV.