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If they can hold that price point they will sell. Looks good!

It would seem if you bought a house on a very step hill that during the winter you would know it would be a challenge. Where did you relocate to?

Could be it's cheap enough to begin with and can tolerate additional markup.

If you live West of the Mississippi there isn't a Real Estate bubble that's exist to be "popped". Since 2010 Utah's population has grown 18%. That's not a bubble-that's supply and demand. An unintended consequence of COVID is people getting out of where they really didn't really want to live...but stayed because of their employment. Now-in many cases that same employer lets you work remotely and doesn't care where that is. I have seen this first hand. As far as vehicles-I'm not paying MSRP (or more) for a pickup that during "truck month" was $10,000.00 less than that. I was in the market-now I'm not. My Silverado only has 44,000 miles on it. I wanted to replace it with either a F-150 or Tundra. Was leaning towards the Tundra until I saw the redesign. If it wears out before we start seeing "significant discounts", then I will sell my travel trailer which is the main reason I have a truck.

Here is the speculation on other auto forums- 1) Chips are in limited supply. Are you going to build $60,000.00 pickups or $20,000.00 pickups with a limited supply. Mavericks alone probably won't keep the lights on at Ford. 2) Ford has yet botched another launch (i.e. Explorer) and can't build them right or fast enough. Not saying any of the above is accurate-but that's the speculation. At any rate-if you have to shut down orders-some of those customers will end up elsewhere for product.

These will sell in their targeted demographics. This hits the mark with a sport look. Many drivers of pickups are looking for exactly that-with capability and utility coming in second. Just witness all the big tires-lifted trucks-that never see (or hardly ever) see the mud.

They need to have regulations (could be coming) that bar the registration of ICE vehicles to make the ban successful. If not-those in California (for example) will just buy their cars in Nevada. The Internet makes it so easy....

Underestimating Toyota is very foolish. They are hedging their bets not doing away with ICE vehicles. There is nothing wrong with that. There are many who will never buy a BEV-unless their costs go through the roof-or the fuel that powers them does. And $5.00/gallon isn't the ceiling either on the later.

It seems that there are mark ups on the Mustangs upon delivery-Tesla you order and that's the price you pay.

Due to a lot of static from everybody-GM has now backed off and will have dealers install the chips to operate the heated seats . The heated steering wheels are still not available except on the highest trim levels.

It;s a comical experience over on the 2022 Tundra Facebook Page. For some unknown reason the guys though these things would be "way cheaper" than the competition. However-there are a few who are contacting dealers all over the country to buy one at MSRP. Gas mileage is a bit disappointing-since the 5.3 in the Silverado will do 25mpg all day long on the highway if you don't exceed 70mph. The AFM will shut down the motor to 4 cylinders.

I'm guessing you probably like jelly beans then. The new front end is a VAST IMPROVMENT.

For every manufacturer I may add........

I would think anybody who wants a three row SUV-with a "Jeep look". I don't even think 4WD comes in to play-it's the "look".

Not sure. Many Silverado owners have been have been complaining about the interior verses the better interior of both Ford and RAM. How many would have looked elsewhere if there was no update? Also, you had some owners who didn't like the "side burn" air dams of the 2019-2021Silverados. Many citing that reason for not upgrading. That has been addressed as well. AS far as the Tundra-the biggest complaint was abysmal mpg. That has been addressed with the new turbo motor. Ford just had a new F-150 come out the last year or two. Of course-as long as who has inventory- pretty much regardless of the name on the hood-is going to sell trucks these days-until the "chip thing" rectifies itself-it's hard to see how all of this will play out.

Maybe-but there is nothing ground breaking with this new model. It will sell for those who want a Toyota-but there is nothing here to make one switch brands if they are a "die hard" for whatever make they are driving.

If Hertz bought electric Mustangs/F-150 Lightnings the tone on this thread would be much different.......

Don't disagree-but they will probably sell somewhere north of 100,000 units once things normalize.

Toyota enjoys almost 50% of this segment.......not a "loyalist product" like the Tundra.

Silverado sold like 29,000 units last month because that's all they could build because of the "chip" thing. It seems this continuous talk of a "race" is nonsensical under current market conditions and means nothing....As I write this I have just learned Ford shut down Maverick production due to lack of parts....

There was a not-calibrated test on the new Tundra over at TFL Truck and it was sitting at 20mpg at mixed driving. I would expect a few more mpg at highway speeds.

Basically the new Tundra meets "middle ground" for capability-and will keep the faithful happy. Conquest sales-I think the only manufacturer that has those are RAM. I don't think there is anything in the F-150 (with the power boost-being the ONLY EXCEPTION), Silverado, or Titan to move anybody over to another brand-JMHO.

Those "Everything else" employ a lot of people in the U.S. and add a lot of money to our economy. With all due respect-I find your views on this matter-simplistic at best.

This should even make you more HAPPY!:) Toyota cash on hand for the quarter ending June 30, 2021 was $71.664B, a 12.06% decline year-over-year. Yea- ONLY 71.66 Billion. There was a previous thread how "Domestic and Foreign" manufacturers are really blurred. These vehicles are "Most American"- 1. Tesla Model 3: Fremont, Calif. (4) | Research | Shop 2. Ford Mustang: Flat Rock, Mich. (34) | Research | Shop 3. Tesla Model Y: Fremont, Calif. (unranked) | Research | Shop 4. Jeep Cherokee: Belvidere, Ill. (2) | Research | Shop 5. Chevrolet Corvette: Bowling Green, Ky. (8) | Research | Shop 6. Honda Ridgeline: Lincoln, Ala. (6) | Research | Shop 7. Honda Odyssey: Lincoln, Ala. (5) | Research | Shop 8. Honda Pilot: Lincoln, Ala. (13) | Research | Shop 9. Honda Passport: Lincoln, Ala. (7) | Research | Shop 10. Toyota Tundra: San Antonio (16) | Research | Shop 11. Ford Expedition, Expedition Max: Louisville, Ky. (20) | Research | Shop 12. Acura RDX: East Liberty, Ohio (14) | Research | Shop 13. Acura TLX: Marysville, Ohio (25) | Research | Shop 14. Chevrolet Colorado: Wentzville, Mo. (10) | Research | Shop 15. GMC Canyon: Wentzville, Mo. (11) | Research | Shop 16. Jeep Grand Cherokee: Detroit (26) | Research | Shop 17. Honda Accord: Marysville, Ohio (15) | Research | Shop 18. Toyota Avalon: Georgetown, Ky. (29) | Research | Shop 19. Lexus ES: Georgetown, Ky.* (28) | Research | Shop 20. Lincoln Navigator, Navigator L: Louisville, Ky. (54) | Research | Shop https://www.cars.com/articles/2021-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-437020/

We basically agree. It's silly to mention who is outselling whom on a monthly basis in this critical time for the auto industry in general. I would argue that even this years sales are meaningless based on the "chip thing". It's going to be hard to pump up the volume at the end of year when you don't have chips to "race" against your competitor. Of course-the downside is there will be high prices for vehicle buyers for at least the next 12 months or so-IMHO.