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I like rtr. I think this will be good for the ecoboost. Lower trims usually don’t look as good as the higher trims and this fixes that.

Another issue that may or may not be a problem is you no longer need a sports car to go fast. EVs can accelerate faster while still providing all the space, functionality, and creature comforts of a SUV, truck, or sedan. And today’s ICE trucks and SUVs are not too far off from sports cars from a few years ago. F150, escape and explorer can all go 0 to 60 in mid to upper 5 second range.

If ford wants to compete with Porsche, it needs a new model. The mustang is a pony car and should stay that.

The ecoboost is irrelevant since I was comparing prices of the GT. But an ecoboost mustang started at 27k in 2021 and is now 32k. The rav4 was used to show that not all vehicles had a massive price increase. But you can do the same with the corvette. It had an msrp of 61k in 2021 and a msrp 70k now. The mustang GT price increased 38% while the corvette increased 15%.

The mustang being impractical has been a constant since it was first made, that’s not the reason. Adjusted for inflation, the mustangs price is roughly the same as 20 years ago. This does not mean that price can’t still be a deterring factor. Not everyone’s wages have increased at the same rate as inflation, so it could be more expensive to those consumers. It also doesn’t help that the price has increased so rapidly. In 2021 the mustang GT had an msrp of 36k. It’s now almost 50k. That’s a huge jump in a relatively short timeframe. For comparison, the rav4 had a starting price of 26k in 2021 and is now 28k.

According to this article, Ford doesn’t think pricing is an issue. https://www.motor1.com/news/747170/ford-mustang-priced-right-despite-low-sales/ I would beg to differ. Any article about low mustang sales is filled with comments about its price. Sharing a platform with another vehicle could help lower the price. A Lincoln or thunderbird could be options. An alternative could be something like the Toyota Supra/bmw z4 deal. Wouldn’t a Camaro/mustang deal be crazy?

I’m surprised mustang is still around. Low sales, dedicated platform, and its own factory? Any other vehicle and it would be gone a long time ago. Most dealers around me don’t even stock mustangs anymore, and if they do, it’s only one or two.

I wonder why gas stations haven’t voluntarily added chargers? You’d think they would love having customers essentially trapped there for 30 minutes.

If EVs are unaffordable without the tax credit, then they were always a losing option. Hopefully now losing that $7500 will force automakers to innovate and make them cheaper. Not sure how I feel about cutting the infrastructure money. The problem with EVs and their infrastructure is that they are always advancing. Do we want to spend billions just to have the infrastructure be outdated in a couple of years and then redo it all again? Think moores law.

Hmmm, not sure what their design inspiration was for this. The front looks chinese, the side looks like a 2000’s era GMC suv with its square wheel arches, and the interior looks like a 1970’s truck. I think the overall shape is good, but I’ve said this a 1000 times, Hyundai/kia always seem to put one or two styling elements in their vehicles that keep them from having broad appeal.

https://www.motor1.com/news/743454/2026-hyundai-palisade/

If ford’s engineering dept isn’t cutting it, then that whole dept needs to be revamped. Hopefully this skunkworks is only temporary and the lessons they learn get passed on to engineering to right the ship so to speak. I disagree. I think this forum represents the auto-buying public quite well with a wide range of views. Look at all the disagreements we have in every topic 🤣. I think everyone here is open to the idea of EVs. My personal view is that they are perfect for urban families with multiple vehicles. If you are single, live in rural areas, or drive long distances often, an EV makes things more complicated. They aren’t quite ready for prime time yet. Once solid state batteries are common place and infrastructure is built out more, more people will be willing to take a chance on EVs.

Anyone else see the incentives for mach e on ford’s plan pricing website? That’s gotta be a typo right?

How in the world are the explorer and capri more expensive than the mach e? That makes zero sense. The puma looks like a smaller temu version of the mach e. The shield grille also doesn’t work as well when the headlights are above it. It’s ok on the mach e when the lights are on the side.

The best part of this is the brass trim on the exterior. I think that’s kinda cool. I like the long hood, the exaggerated wheel haunches and even the headlights. But the new logos are terrible. Something doesn’t seem right about the rear c pillar. The rear and front grille are terrible. The angular design is also going to severely date this thing (think Cadillac XLR). There’s so many iconic fastbacks with long hoods out there that it was always going to be an uphill battle for this thing to compete.

I’ve never liked the puma, and this looks even worse than the ICE model.

Regardless of the cars design, the quality of the render is subpar and amateur at best. I’ve seen better quality renders by motor1. This is not something I would expect from an ultra luxury brand. 80’s future car is a good description. I think it kinda looks like a car you’d find in GTA2 or 3.

This interior screams ultraluxury to me 😆. unfortunately I don’t think this is going to save jaguar.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/mahindra-be-6e-and-xev-9e-electric-coupe-suvs-debut-with-concept-looks-and-futuristic-interiors/ Here is a new subcompact ev from India. It’s about the size of a bronco sport, although not as tall. It’s not perfect, and I’d probably change a few things, but I find this to be an interesting design for a sub compact suv ev, especially with a range of 342 miles and a $23k price tag.

I haven’t paid attention to Nissan much, so I guess I didn’t realize things were getting that bad for them. I’ve never driven a Nissan, so can’t comment on that, but I like the new kicks, the frontier seems solid, and the Rogue seems to be as good as any other compact suv. I also like the Armanda redesign. Besides those, everything else is pretty bad. Although it seems like speculation, it might be cool if Honda did take over and get things going in the right direction. https://www.motor1.com/news/742467/nissan-12-to-14-months-left-to-survive/

It’s an improvement over the previous model

Hyundai really needs to hire a new designer. I liked the ioniq 5 when it came out, but not so much after seeing it in person. The ioniq 6 is the worst looking car I’ve seen in a while and this ioniq 9 takes the worst looking suv title. A simple focus group could have told them that.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/21/business/stellantis-jeep-woes/index.html this was an interesting story on cnn about jeep prices being too high. In 2023 jeep had the highest ATP of any automaker. This year they are second to ford. Ford has an atp of 55k vs the industry average of 47.5k. Things aren’t so great lately for jeep. Is ford following in their footsteps? https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/which-automaker-is-actually-the-most-profitable/ I found this article interesting as well. Ford is at the bottom of the list for profit per vehicle at 3%. Toyota on the other hand is at 11.1% and Kia is at 11.6%. With all the high dollar trucks ford sells, how is their profit so low?

https://www.motor1.com/news/740842/ford-cuts-explorer-capri-ev-production/ Employees will be working every other week. Edit: already being discussed here. feel free to delete

Dark trail package shown, available in black and gray. Pretty much the same as the other packages with different wheels. https://fordauthority.com/2024/11/ford-bronco-dark-trail-black-package-officially-revealed/ https://sema.fordcustomgarage.com Interesting that the ford garage link above seems to indicate that the tires are part of all the packages. I’d like to see some packages offered without a lift and 35s. Maybe a new grille, wheels, black emblems and script, maybe new grab handles. A package like this for around $2000 would be attractive to big bend owners who are looking for more style.