Paul Selby Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Didn't Bluecon say this was no longer a problem months ago? LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) .... a spoonful weighs a ton. ChryCo is f----d. [The song] A Spoonful Weighs a Ton deals with some more scientists who are gambling with a planet's time by carrying out an unstoppable experiment with the sun. -- FlamingLips.com Edited June 20, 2007 by Roadrunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymondospiff Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 So perhaps all of the headlines about Chrysler being UP in sales in May were a bit premature? I don't really have a problem with the program - Chrysler HAD to get rid of those '06s, and if the only way to sell them was to discount them as used cars then so be it. Now, Chrysler has to make sure they don't do it again! It's similar to this: US Airways just ordered 10 A330s this week. US already had 10 A330s on order, but they're not getting 20 A330s, the new order simply replaces the old order. So, Airbus adds 10 airplanes to the order book and removes 10 from the order book - a zero sum addition, right? Not quite, as the annual "Airbus-Boeing Sales Race" is tracked at the end of every calendar year. Due to the "cancellation" of 10 planes, the results from the year of the original order (2005?) are lower by ten - but no one cares because who looks at order totals from several years ago?! The only number that will be relevant is this year's number - which will be higher by ten thanks to "re-ordering" the same planes. It may seem shady, but it's just a case of utilizing the tools available to the company to assure sales - moving vehicles from new to used for Chrysler and renegotiating order terms for Airbus. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah where are the Mopar-heads and "The 300C is the 2nd coming" people now? It was fishy that Chrysler had a large jump in a down market, and now its that they 'sold' cars to dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah where are the Mopar-heads and "The 300C is the 2nd coming" people now? If you noticed, the LX platform was definitely not in the vehicles listed in the articles, and they are STILL selling like hotcakes here, I see at least a couple driving around daily with new tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 If you noticed, the LX platform was definitely not in the vehicles listed in the articles, and they are STILL selling like hotcakes here Even IHOP has breakfast specials. I doubt very much all of those new cars were bought at MSRP and not heavily discounted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Pony Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Yeah where are the Mopar-heads and "The 300C is the 2nd coming" people now? It was fishy that Chrysler had a large jump in a down market, and now its that they 'sold' cars to dealers. The 300's, Magnums and Charger are not listed in the article. And yes - they continue to sell - much better that Ford's full sized line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 The 300's, Magnums and Charger are not listed in the article. And yes - they continue to sell - much better that Ford's full sized line. Combine the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car, Five Hundred, Montego, Taurus, Sable, Freestyle, and Taurus X and you might find yourself singing a slightly different tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Pony Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Combine the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car, Five Hundred, Montego, Taurus, Sable, Freestyle, and Taurus X and you might find yourself singing a slightly different tune. 300/Charger Sales ytd = 25150 Add in Magnum ytd = 27801 Crown Vic/Marquis/Five Hundred/Taurus/Montego/Sable sales ytd = 18305 Add in Town Car = 22813 Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Combine the Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Town Car, Five Hundred, Montego, Taurus, Sable, Freestyle, and Taurus X and you might find yourself singing a slightly different tune. I'm hoping that this post was a joke? 9 cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 (edited) 300/Charger Sales ytd = 25150Add in Magnum ytd = 27801 Crown Vic/Marquis/Five Hundred/Taurus/Montego/Sable sales ytd = 18305 Add in Town Car = 22813 Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Those are not YTD numbers...those are just May's sales. These are YTD (ending May '07) 300 YTD = 51,199 Charger YTD = 54,443 Magnum YTD = 13,465 Total LX line YTD (3 vehicles) = 119,107 Crown Vic = 30,636 (Fleet only) Taurus / Five Hundred= 27,425 Grand Marquis = 27,327 Montego / Sable = 7,791 Town Car = 19,865 Taurus X / Freestyle = 17,321 Total of the Panther and Ford group D3 platforms YTD (6 vehicles 9 total nameplates)= 130,345 Apples to apples = If we are not counting Freestyle/Taurus X "Crossover" sales = 113,024 Edited June 22, 2007 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 300/Charger Sales ytd = 25150Add in Magnum ytd = 27801 Crown Vic/Marquis/Five Hundred/Taurus/Montego/Sable sales ytd = 18305 Add in Town Car = 22813 Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Well, you included the Magnum. It's about as much a crossover as the Taurus X/Freestyle. Dodge's version just sucks in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLaudioF150 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Those are not YTD numbers...those are just May's sales. These are YTD (ending May '07) 300 YTD = 51,199 Charger YTD = 54,443 Magnum YTD = 13,465 Total LX line YTD (3 vehicles) = 119,107 Crown Vic = 30,636 (Fleet only) Taurus / Five Hundred= 27,425 Grand Marquis = 27,327 Montego / Sable = 7,791 Town Car = 19,865 Taurus X / Freestyle = 17,321 Total of the Panther and Ford group D3 platforms YTD (6 vehicles 9 total nameplates)= 130,345 Apples to apples = If we are not counting Freestyle/Taurus X "Crossover" sales = 113,024 Apples to Apples would be comparing the Crown Vic/Marquis (1 platform) to the Charger/300/Magnum (1 platform) and the obvious winner is NOT FORD. I'll take a Charger over all of Ford Cars (except Mustang) any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Apples to Apples would be comparing the Crown Vic/Marquis (1 platform) to the Charger/300/Magnum (1 platform) and the obvious winner is NOT FORD. How is that really apples to apples when Ford offers more models of fullsize car? Obviously there are going to be people cross-shopping them. I'm sure quite a few little old ladies looking for a Grand Marquis lately have ended up in a Montego instead. With that said, I will agree that Ford's RWD offerings in the segment are abominations in this day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96 Pony Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 (edited) Those are not YTD numbers...those are just May's sales. These are YTD (ending May '07) 300 YTD = 51,199 Charger YTD = 54,443 Magnum YTD = 13,465 Total LX line YTD (3 vehicles) = 119,107 Crown Vic = 30,636 (Fleet only) Taurus / Five Hundred= 27,425 Grand Marquis = 27,327 Montego / Sable = 7,791 Town Car = 19,865 Taurus X / Freestyle = 17,321 Total of the Panther and Ford group D3 platforms YTD (6 vehicles 9 total nameplates)= 130,345 Apples to apples = If we are not counting Freestyle/Taurus X "Crossover" sales = 113,024 My bad re: ytd! Thanks for correcting me. The Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Magnum is not. So bottom line number are 113,024 (Ford) v. 119,107 (Chrysler). Either way, it takes Ford 5 cars (and one of them a fleet only vehicle) to approach Chryslers 3. NOTE! I am not a Chryco lover! Ford IMHO has the best of everything EXCEPT full sized cars. Edited June 22, 2007 by 96 Pony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 My bad re: ytd! Thanks for correcting me. The Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Magnum is not. So bottom line number are 113,024 (Ford) v. 119,107 (Chrysler). Either way, it takes Ford 5 cars (and one of them a fleet only vehicle) to approach Chryslers 3. NOTE! I am not a Chryco lover! Ford IMHO has the best of everything EXCEPT full sized cars. Why don't we wait and see how the new Taurus and Sable do before we jump to sales conclusions. My gut tells me these cars, especially the new Taurus are going to do much better then the outgoing models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 My bad re: ytd! Thanks for correcting me. The Freestyle/Taurus X is a crossover. Magnum is not. So bottom line number are 113,024 (Ford) v. 119,107 (Chrysler). I belive Dodge calls Magnum a Touring car. The campairison is appropriate since Taurus X shares the taurus platform and Magnum shares the 300/Charger underpinnings. IMHO they are both wagons. Ford can call the X a crossover but the Edge really fits that definition better. Compared side by side the Taurus X is a better wagon than the Magnum. It has more useable space and more passenger seating. The Magnum does have more available power (a lot more) and I suspect more towing capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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