napoleon Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Complete with its flexible flyer backbone! God I loved trying to open doors up on my 98 Mustang when I had it on a jack...couldn't do it! What did you do to it that you couldnt open the doors? I never had an issue with that in any of my fox body t-birds, that car was 'I' beam strong and my '95 mustang wouldnt have any issues crooked on a jack. Now my '97 t-bird and my '93 convertible mustang are a different story, the dash in the stang practically gives me a lap dance going over tracks the car shakes so much, but the canary on chrome and black interior makes me ignore the small stuff :shades: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 I owned one of those. It's a 1985 Sport GL. It had special alloy wheels, sport bucket seats, unique upholstery, charcoal exterior trim and that blue stripe, manual transmission, and a slightly higher output engine. Sport GL, I know they exist, but that picture isn't one of them. GL and Sport GL probably look very similar, but with options like the ones you listed. Probably even had a 'slightly higher output engine'. The GLS had a 100HP HSO, the GL had a 98HP HSC. However, there was no 110HP Tempo. Ever. Below is the brochure picture for the 1985 Sport GL Coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewq4b Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 LOL, good stuff. Just saw a Fairmont on the road yesterday, hadn't seen one in ages so I had to do a double take. Looked like it was fogging for mosquitoes, lol.Ugh...I'd have opted for a Gm G-body back then. Only thing is the G-body did not come out till 1982 4 years after the the Fairmont, by then the Fairmont was on it's way out. Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 What did you do to it that you couldnt open the doors? I had it jacked up from the k-member under the car about ft or two off the ground so I could do an oil change...I couldn't open the passenger door doing this, esp if I forgot to take out the bag out of my car with the oil and filter :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 As far as all this Tempo love is concerned, here is the Tempo reincarnate with chrome: if your cars in your sig are anything to go by, their styling was directly influenced by the 86 Taurus and winded up looking like upside down bathtubs in comparison... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbalek Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 That blue one is a Sport GL too. The silver one is the 4-door version. The NON-Sport GL's had chrome around the windows and bumper and no blue strip. They also didn't have those alloy wheels. Those wheels are the Sport GL wheels, same on the blue and silver ones. Also look at the headrests on the front buckets. The "ring" headrest was only on the Sport GL, the GL had standard flat headrests. You are right about the horsepower however. Mine was 100hp but the silver one pictured is IDENTICAL to my 1985 Tempo Sport GL! Sport GL, I know they exist, but that picture isn't one of them. GL and Sport GL probably look very similar, but with options like the ones you listed. Probably even had a 'slightly higher output engine'. The GLS had a 100HP HSO, the GL had a 98HP HSC. However, there was no 110HP Tempo. Ever. Below is the brochure picture for the 1985 Sport GL Coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 531,468 sold in 1984, the first year. Ford can't even dream of selling that many cars, in their first year nowadays. The first year, and it was at the 4th best selling spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 531,468 sold in 1984, the first year. Ford can't even dream of selling that many cars, in their first year nowadays. The first year, and it was at the 4th best selling spot. The only vehicles that sell that much in a year anymore are the F-series and Silverado. Even Camry isn't that high I don't believe. The market is FAR too crowded to expect ANY car to ever see those types of numbers again anytime in the foreseeable future. The Mustang sold over a million in its first two years on the market. Is that to say we should expect the Mustang to sell half a million copies a year? Give me a break. To compare sales of a vehicle now to what they were over TWENTY YEARS AGO is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 (edited) That market is no bigger today then it was in 1984. In fact, Ford had double the cars (sedans, coupes, wagons) in 1984 then it does in 2007. There was more competition for the compact four door sedan in '84, then there is today. Edited August 28, 2007 by Explorer4X4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 That market is no bigger today then it was in 1984. In fact, Ford had double the cars (sedans, coupes, wagons) in 1984 then it does in 2007. Madness! 1984: Escort Tempo LTD II LTD Crown Victoria Mustang 2007: Focus Fusion Taurus Crown Victoria Mustang In 1984, the Japanese weren't big players outside the sub-compact market (Civic, Corolla), where now, they dominate every segment outside of big pickup trucks. Everyone was building crap in the 80's... its just that the Tempo and Japanese makes were SLIGHTLY less crappy than the norm. You're insane if you think anyone looks back fondly on those vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Madness! 1984: Escort Tempo LTD II LTD Crown Victoria Mustang 2007: Focus Fusion Taurus Crown Victoria Mustang In 1984, the Japanese weren't big players outside the sub-compact market (Civic, Corolla), where now, they dominate every segment outside of big pickup trucks. Everyone was building crap in the 80's... its just that the Tempo and Japanese makes were SLIGHTLY less crappy than the norm. You're insane if you think anyone looks back fondly on those vehicles. Thats not the whole story. Today, there is: Focus Sedan Focus Coupe Taurus Sedan Fusion Sedan Mustang Crown Victoria is dead, remember? In 1984, there was: Tempo Sedan and Coupe Escort Sedan, Wagon and hatchback LTD II Sedan LTD Crown Victoria Sedan Thunderbird Coupe EXP Coupe Mustang Coupe In 1988, when the Tempo entered its second generation, there were: Tempo Sedan and Coupe Escort Sedan, Wagon and hatchback LTD Crown Victoria Sedan Thunderbird Coupe Mustang Coupe Taurus Sedan and Wagon Festiva 3/5-door hatchback/liftback And a year later, in 1989, the Probe was introduced. So no, in both 1984 and 1988 (two generations of Tempo), Ford had more cars (excluding SUV's, vans, minvans and trucks) then it does in 2007. There were just as many competitors for Tempo as there is for Fusion and Focus today. Maybe even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 (edited) That market is no bigger today then it was in 1984. In fact, Ford had double the cars (sedans, coupes, wagons) in 1984 then it does in 2007. There was more competition for the compact four door sedan in '84, then there is today. No, Ford's lineup isn't much bigger, but the overall market sure is. The total models available today compared to 1984 is likely at least five fold. Who was legitimately competing in the entry midsize market in 1984? Ford Pontiac Oldsmobile Chevrolet Dodge Plymouth Chrysler Mercury That was really it. 8 brands. Now today? Pretty much double it. Ford Pontiac Chevrolet Dodge Chrysler Mercury Toyota Honda Nissan Hyundai Kia Mitsubishi Saturn Subaru Suzuki Volkswagen Plus add in the fact that the designs have splintered. The midsize sedan simply isn't as popular as it used to be. Back in 1984 when you went to buy a family car you were presented with a sedan and a wagon. They didn't even have the choice of minivans, CUV's, and SUV's available today which undoubtedly steal a large chunk out of would-be sedan purchases. The days of 500,000+ unit volume out of more than one or two total models is history until the auto market in the US gets a LOT larger. But even then it may not happen, as by the time the US auto market gets that large, we will likely have several more players in the US market from China, India, and Europe. Edited August 28, 2007 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 (edited) In 1984, Ford Pontiac Chevrolet Dodge Chrysler Mercury Toyota Honda Nissan Hyundai Kia Mitsubishi Saturn Subaru Suzuki Volkswagen Plymouth Oldsmobile I repeat; the market for mid-size sedans was no less competitive in 1984 then it is in 2007. It was the biggest market then, its the biggest market now. Excluding pickup trucks. Crossover's and SUV's were not around then (SUV's were, but they were basically just two-door truck-based V8-only monsters), but minivans were. Crossover's are the wagons of today, and with gas prices and just looking good, SUV's are on their way out. You can say that Subaru, Suzuki, et cetera were not big competitors to Tempo. However, they were. We are not talking about 1969, we are talking about 1984. Just about the time when imports started rising. The market is no smaller, and its not even like Fairmont and the LTD before Tempo sold as good as it did. You are basically saying the market was gigantic for mid-size four doors in 1984-1994, and saying any time before or after the market was tiny. Not a good excuse buddy. The only difference is in 1984, Ford ruled, and in 2007 Toyota rules. Edited August 28, 2007 by Explorer4X4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 In 1984,Ford Pontiac Chevrolet Dodge Chrysler Mercury Toyota Honda Nissan Hyundai Kia Mitsubishi Saturn Subaru Suzuki Volkswagen Plymouth Oldsmobile I repeat; the market for mid-size sedans was no less competitive in 1984 then it is in 2007. It was the biggest market then, its the biggest market now. Excluding pickup trucks. Crossover's and SUV's were not around then (SUV's were, but they were basically just two-door truck-based V8-only monsters), but minivans were. Crossover's are the wagons of today, and with gas prices and just looking good, SUV's are on their way out. You can say that Subaru, Suzuki, et cetera were not big competitors to Tempo. However, they were. We are not talking about 1969, we are talking about 1984. Just about the time when imports started rising. The market is no smaller, and its not even like Fairmont and the LTD before Tempo sold as good as it did. You are basically saying the market was gigantic for mid-size four doors in 1984-1994, and saying any time before or after the market was tiny. Not a good excuse buddy. Only the big 3 were real competitors in the past. The Japanese were looked on the way they are today. Another fact is that at the current time, people don't by that many small cars (unless you count Quebec). The entire market is more crowded and people do not buy any model in the volume they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 In 1984,Ford Pontiac Chevrolet Dodge Chrysler Mercury Toyota Honda Nissan Hyundai Kia Mitsubishi Saturn Subaru Suzuki Volkswagen Plymouth Oldsmobile I repeat; the market for mid-size sedans was no less competitive in 1984 then it is in 2007. It was the biggest market then, its the biggest market now. Excluding pickup trucks. Crossover's and SUV's were not around then (SUV's were, but they were basically just two-door truck-based V8-only monsters), but minivans were. Crossover's are the wagons of today, and with gas prices and just looking good, SUV's are on their way out. You can say that Subaru, Suzuki, et cetera were not big competitors to Tempo. However, they were. We are not talking about 1969, we are talking about 1984. Just about the time when imports started rising. The market is no smaller, and its not even like Fairmont and the LTD before Tempo sold as good as it did. You are basically saying the market was gigantic for mid-size four doors in 1984-1994, and saying any time before or after the market was tiny. Not a good excuse buddy. The only difference is in 1984, Ford ruled, and in 2007 Toyota rules. Wow. I won't even dignify the errors in this response by trying to argue with you anymore. The Tempo was a piece of shit. Ask 100 people on the street what they think of the Tempo. 99 of them will say it's a piece of shit. That's all we need to know. You lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 (edited) Only the big 3 were real competitors in the past. The Japanese were looked on the way they are today. Another fact is that at the current time, people don't by that many small cars (unless you count Quebec). The entire market is more crowded and people do not buy any model in the volume they used to. The only real competitors today are Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, Toyota and Honda. In 1984 it was only really the Big Three. However, in 1988, Honda and and Toyota became very competitive. In 1988, Ford moved 425,148 Tempo's (5th best selling). At most, the market for mid-size sedans has downsized. Only a little though. Even though less makes were competitive in Tempo's time, there were also more models from each brand. Ford had Escort, Tempo, Thunderbird, Probe, Festiva, LTD/Crown Vic, Mustang and Taurus. Double today's. Same with Dodge, Chevy and Pontiac. Hell, Olds and Plymouth are gone altogether. NickF1011, you are an ignorant retard, end of story. Edited August 28, 2007 by Explorer4X4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 The only real competitors today are Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, Toyota and Honda. In 1984 it was only really the Big Three. However, in 1988, Honda and and Toyota became very competitive. In 1988, Ford moved 425,148 Tempo's (5th best selling). At most, the market for mid-size sedans has downsized. Only a little though. Even though less makes were competitive in Tempo's time, there were also more models from each brand. Ford had Escort, Tempo, Thunderbird, Probe, Festiva, LTD/Crown Vic, Mustang and Taurus. Double today's. Same with Dodge, Chevy and Pontiac. Hell, Olds and Plymouth are gone altogether. Ahem. Hyundai and Nissan both also offer midsize sedans that outsell Dodge's and Ford's. God you're an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Ahem. Hyundai and Nissan both also offer midsize sedans that outsell Dodge's and Ford's. God you're an idiot. That says NOTHING. Ford/Dodge are gone in ten years, tops, they are hardly competitive at this point. Do you know why? Because they offer nothing like Tempo. Nothing competitive, nothing that stands out. Tempo did, in the 1980's, as did Taurus and Escort. Thus, they were record-selling cars and Fusion, Focus and Five Hundred/Taurus are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 That says NOTHING. Ford/Dodge are gone in ten years, tops, they are hardly competitive at this point. Do you know why? Because they offer nothing like Tempo. Nothing competitive, nothing that stands out. Tempo did, in the 1980's, as did Taurus and Escort. Thus, they were record-selling cars and Fusion, Focus and Five Hundred/Taurus are not. Ford sells nothing competitive. Well, maybe you and PC could get together and talk about how much Ford sucks then. Ford has products that are very competitive. You mentioned some above. The Tempo was nothing special and no angel and you should drop this already because its turning you into as much of a joke as the car that your defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 That says NOTHING. Ford/Dodge are gone in ten years, tops, they are hardly competitive at this point. Do you know why? Because they offer nothing like Tempo. Nothing competitive, nothing that stands out. Tempo did, in the 1980's, as did Taurus and Escort. Thus, they were record-selling cars and Fusion, Focus and Five Hundred/Taurus are not. Your complete lack of sound logic is just mystifying. Please stop before you make me pee myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Your complete lack of sound logic is just mystifying. Please stop before you make me pee myself. Its amazing what this website brings out in people...guess it takes all kinds huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Its amazing what this website brings out in people...guess it takes all kinds huh? Well, it would be kind of boring without em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer4X4 Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Ford sells nothing competitive. Well, maybe you and PC could get together and talk about how much Ford sucks then. Ford has products that are very competitive. You mentioned some above. The Tempo was nothing special and no angel and you should drop this already because its turning you into as much of a joke as the car that your defending. Basically everything Fusion and Tempo have, Toyota, Honda and Nissan have cars that are better. Which is why they sell more. Plain and simple logic. If you build a car that's primary purpose is to fill in a spot in your line-up, it won't sell. If you build a car that is different, thats innovative and that has features no one else offers, it will sell. By today's standards, Tempo is a pos. But in 1984/1988, Tempo was basically everything you could want in a car, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 But in 1984/1988, Tempo was basically everything you could want in a car, and more. A puffed up Escort? Bringing back the Tempo isn't going to do anything Ford, except make them the laughing stock of the automotive business. The Tempo sold "well" but it wasn't earth shattering car like the Taurus was...it served its time and got whored out like most other cars..thats it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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