wildosvt Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 A few years? Try 20 or 30 years. And I've never heard anything about pensions being a big problem - those are normally funded up front. It's the rising health care costs that have risen much faster than inflation that's causing problems. The more retirees you have the more you feel the impact of rising health care costs. What would you rather have Ford do? Do what Wal-Mart does for their ee's healthcare? And then YOU can help pay for my healthcare everyday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 What would you rather have Ford do? Do what Wal-Mart does for their ee's healthcare? And then YOU can help pay for my healthcare everyday? The buyouts were a big first step - Ford has no future financial burden for them, pension or healthcare. I don't want to see retirees impacted either but it may be unavoidable. The rest has to come from current employees with a combination of lower benefits, higher co-pays and monthly premiums. Just like the rest of America has been doing for the last several years. It's not Ford's fault that health care costs rose so fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makeastand Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The buyouts were a big first step - Ford has no future financial burden for them, pension or healthcare. I don't want to see retirees impacted either but it may be unavoidable. The rest has to come from current employees with a combination of lower benefits, higher co-pays and monthly premiums. Just like the rest of America has been doing for the last several years. It's not Ford's fault that health care costs rose so fast. If somone takes a buyout, they will still recieve a pension and healthcare according to their vestment. 5 year vestment for pension and 10 year vestment for healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktpworker69 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 The average worker on the line builds a car every twenty hours or less, even when these negatives are factored in. There is no industry in the world that has that kind of productivity. They deserve every penny that they earn and more. The people who are jealous should look at what they produce and compare it with what an auto-worker produces. They would soon realize that they are the ones who are overpaid. amen brother, people who dont work in a factory building 89 trucks an hour have absolutley NO idea of the type of physical and mental toll it takes on a person. i challenge anyone out there who thinks i make too much money, to come to work with me for 10 hours. then they would change thier mind, you can bet on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktpworker69 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 no one doubts that is hard work. However if there was a strike or lock out at an auto company, they could offer $20/hr for the same jobs 1000's of people would still apply for itI am saying the rules of supply and demand are artifically blocked by unions and when the wages do not reflect reality, the industry was ripe for the competition to come in and take it away from the big 3 Compared to plant manager or computational fluids engineering, plenty of good positions are available and no QUAILIFIED takers since when did manual labor become a career anyway? KTP hired a bunch of temporary workers for just under $20 an hour and alot of them didnt return after thier 1st break 3 hours into the shift. alot more waited a week or so until they were so sore they couldnt get out of bed, then they quit too. i dont know when it became a career, but i sure live good from it......06 mustang gt, 04 f-150, 26ft streamline camper, inground pool, hot tub and 8 acres of land...sure sounds like a career to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 If somone takes a buyout, they will still recieve a pension and healthcare according to their vestment. 5 year vestment for pension and 10 year vestment for healthcare. They don't get health care under STEP and ESTEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks will fly Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 They don't get health care under STEP and ESTEP. But they are eligable for thier penion as early as 55 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 KTP hired a bunch of temporary workers for just under $20 an hour and alot of them didnt return after thier 1st break 3 hours into the shift. alot more waited a week or so until they were so sore they couldnt get out of bed, then they quit too. i dont know when it became a career, but i sure live good from it......06 mustang gt, 04 f-150, 26ft streamline camper, inground pool, hot tub and 8 acres of land...sure sounds like a career to me Less than 1% of the population is up to working on the line. The high pay attracts many applicants. Only 1%, the best 1% gets in. In Canada we had a socialist NDP government in power in Ontario when we were changing over to the Tempo-Topaz. To get government money, Ford had to hire some people who were on welfare. Within a week, they all quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 What would you rather have Ford do? Do what Wal-Mart does for their ee's healthcare? And then YOU can help pay for my healthcare everyday? That is exactly the wake up call the health care industry is due, and are in for! But it won't be at the hands of Ford because they do not represent enough policies to strong arm the insurers and providers to get fair pricing! Their turn is coming with industry leaving the country, so does peoples medical coverage. The hospitals around me are even beginning to advertise on the T.V. Their actually competing for the remaining people who have coverage. Sadly the losers are cutting back and closing their doors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_A Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 That is exactly the wake up call the health care industry is due, and are in for! But it won't be at the hands of Ford because they do not represent enough policies to strong arm the insurers and providers to get fair pricing! Their turn is coming with industry leaving the country, so does peoples medical coverage. The hospitals around me are even beginning to advertise on the T.V. Their actually competing for the remaining people who have coverage. Sadly the losers are cutting back and closing their doors! Around the Detroit area, the hospitals have been advertising for quite a few years. The last year or so have seen them pushing who has the shortest ER waiting room guarantees, but hospitals advertising for patients is nothing new around here. I can't draw any conclusions as to what their advertising means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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