range Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Looks like The DCK just set a new record for the shortest lasting BONer prediction ever!!! At least with the infamous BEC prediction on the Edge being a flop we had to wait six months. With this one, we didn't even have to wait six hours!!! ====================================================== DCK 01/21/2008 10:20 PM Post #60 Good for Ford so instead of having the Escape be completely uncompetitive in the drivetrain segment it is just now Uncompetitive in the drivetrain segment..........Honestly WTF? ======================================================= Let's see, the Escape has a 6 speed auto (that's one better than CRV), better HP than CRV, and better torque than CRV......all that and equal or better mileage than CRV. Oh, but what about the RAV4 you ask???? Well, that only comes with a FOUR speed auto with the I4, And the Escape betters it in standard HP and torque. And then there's the "completely uncompetitive" Hybrid Escape which of course has no peers. Way to be a DCK....congrats!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 lol....i read that post and then just an hour ago i visited autoblog and right there on the home page it said all the above, only way people could think the CRV and RAV4 are more competitive is if they hate Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
range Posted January 22, 2008 Author Share Posted January 22, 2008 lol....i read that post and then just an hour ago i visited autoblog and right there on the home page it said all the above, only way people could think the CRV and RAV4 are more competitive is if they hate Ford Yea, its just hillarious to see how blinded some people can be from their biases and hatred toward Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Let's see, the Escape has a 6 speed auto (that's one better than CRV), better HP than CRV, and better torque than CRV......all that and equal or better mileage than CRV. Oh, but what about the RAV4 you ask???? Well, that only comes with a FOUR speed auto with the I4, And the Escape betters it in standard HP and torque. Gee, I wonder which will sell better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Gee, I wonder which will sell better... Now, I'd expect that remark from a Toyota or Honda lover, but not you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I do wish however, that the V6 was more competitive ... at least on the mileage front ... HP is not an issue - Ford has Edge which many competitors do not. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I do wish however, that the V6 was more competitive ... at least on the mileage front ... HP is not an issue - Ford has Edge which many competitors do not. Igor I agree... however, it's an old engine they're using. What more could they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I agree... however, it's an old engine they're using. What more could they do? use the new engine ? Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 use the new engine ? Igor Didn't Blue II say the PIP got a reprieve for doing better than the 3.5 in fuel economy testing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Looks like The DCK just set a new record for the shortest lasting BONer prediction ever!!! At least with the infamous BEC prediction on the Edge being a flop we had to wait six months. With this one, we didn't even have to wait six hours!!! ====================================================== DCK 01/21/2008 10:20 PM Post #60 Good for Ford so instead of having the Escape be completely uncompetitive in the drivetrain segment it is just now Uncompetitive in the drivetrain segment..........Honestly WTF? ======================================================= Let's see, the Escape has a 6 speed auto (that's one better than CRV), better HP than CRV, and better torque than CRV......all that and equal or better mileage than CRV. Oh, but what about the RAV4 you ask???? Well, that only comes with a FOUR speed auto with the I4, And the Escape betters it in standard HP and torque. And then there's the "completely uncompetitive" Hybrid Escape which of course has no peers. Way to be a DCK....congrats!!! I'll let you put up the comparison between the V6 Rav4 and the V6 Escape........................funny how that just gets left out because that was the main point of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 use the new engine ? Igor It makes sense to me if it weren't for the fact that it would overlap with, and most likely undercut, the Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Now, I'd expect that remark from a Toyota or Honda lover, but not you... Well, the truth hurts. Rather than run from it I approach it. Despite the Escape being a better vehicle on paper...it will take a very far back seat to CRV and RAV4 sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Despite the Escape being a better vehicle on paper...it will take a very far back seat to CRV and RAV4 sales. Very far? Weren't Escape and RAV4 sales pretty even most of the year? I know the CRV kicked it up a bit in the second half of the year..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Very far? Weren't Escape and RAV4 sales pretty even most of the year? I know the CRV kicked it up a bit in the second half of the year..... 2007 Sales: Escape 165,596 CRV 219,160 RAV4 172,752 Difference: CRV 53,564 RAV4 7,156 So yeah...a VERY FAR back seat to the CRV and a "back seat" to the RAV4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I'll let you put up the comparison between the V6 Rav4 and the V6 Escape........................funny how that just gets left out because that was the main point of my post. Yeah, kinda how YOU don't mention that it's the Honda, not the Toyota, leading the segment and therefore worth targeting! You're owned on this one. Try not to be a whelp about it for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) 2007 Sales: Escape 165,596 CRV 219,160 RAV4 172,752 Difference: CRV 53,564 RAV4 7,156 So yeah...a VERY FAR back seat to the CRV and a "back seat" to the RAV4 So yeah, like I said.... Escape is holding its own with the RAV4 just fine (about 15 days worth of sales behind), so please leave it out of all further "very far" discussions. Of course, Toyota doesn't sell any other versions of the RAV4 as Ford does the Escape under the Mariner and Tribute names, so...by that standard, the RAV4 is "very far" behind the Escape/Mariner/Tribute. And on top of that, with those three combined, they aren't very far behind the CRV anymore either. "Very far." Mmm hmm. Edited January 22, 2008 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 2007 Sales: Escape 165,596 CRV 219,160 RAV4 172,752 Difference: CRV 53,564 RAV4 7,156 So yeah...a VERY FAR back seat to the CRV and a "back seat" to the RAV4 Would adding in Mariner sales make a material difference in the totals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Would adding in Mariner sales make a material difference in the totals? See my above response. Mariner + Escape takes it FAR beyond the RAV4 total and within spitting distance of the CRV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 So yeah, like I said.... Escape is holding its own with the RAV4 just fine (about 15 days worth of sales behind), so please leave it out of all further "very far" discussions. Of course, Toyota doesn't sell any other versions of the RAV4 as Ford does the Escape under the Mariner and Tribute names, so...by that standard, the RAV4 is "very far" behind the Escape/Mariner/Tribute. And on top of that, with those three combined, they aren't very far behind the CRV anymore either. "Very far." Mmm hmm. Yes, Ford needs three vehicles to even come close to the CRV sales... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 So yeah, like I said.... Escape is holding its own with the RAV4 just fine (about 15 days worth of sales behind), so please leave it out of all further "very far" discussions. Of course, Toyota doesn't sell any other versions of the RAV4 as Ford does the Escape under the Mariner and Tribute names, so...by that standard, the RAV4 is "very far" behind the Escape/Mariner/Tribute. And on top of that, with those three combined, they aren't very far behind the CRV anymore either. "Very far." Mmm hmm. Yeah P71!!! You're FIRED!!!!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yes, Ford needs three vehicles to even come close to the CRV sales... then you can say the same with GM.....since they need two trucks to overcome the F-150, pick where you stand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yeah P71!!! You're FIRED!!!!!! lol Oh yeah...he got me good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 then you can say the same with GM.....since they need two trucks to overcome the F-150, pick where you stand.... Yes they do. Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Yes, Ford needs three vehicles to even come close to the CRV sales... Eh, I don't know if it's a matter of NEED...just a different approach. A lot of those Mariner sales would likely have been Escape sales had it not been an option. Who knows.... I'll certainly concede the point on GM's trucks sales also. I won't argue that they don't outsell the F-series by a substantial margin. So why argue about Ford outselling Toyota in the small SUV segment through the same method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Eh, I don't know if it's a matter of NEED...just a different approach. A lot of those Mariner sales would likely have been Escape sales had it not been an option. Who knows.... I'll certainly concede the point on GM's trucks sales also. I won't argue that they don't outsell the F-series by a substantial margin. So why argue about Ford outselling Toyota in the small SUV segment through the same method? ........he hates everything Ford does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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