rt2525 Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Do you think that the Ranger may be going to OAC after they close Twin Cities Assembly and possibly the C Max Minivan? The two global products that OAC was awarded during the last contract negotiation (or reneg-otiation) Reneg-otiate-I like that!!!.Your guess is as good as anyones,we haven't heard a word about new product allocation since ratification. See above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Do you think that the Ranger may be going to OAC after they close Twin Cities Assembly and possibly the C Max Minivan? The two global products that OAC was awarded during the last contract negotiation (or reneg-otiation) They are working on the 2011 launches right now. That is where attention is focused. Nothing about future products will be announced at this time which would take attention away from these new vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Do you think that the Ranger may be going to OAC after they close Twin Cities Assembly and possibly the C Max Minivan? The two global products that OAC was awarded during the last contract negotiation (or reneg-otiation) Sounds like a pipedream, what kind of creds does it have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordwindsor Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Autoblog.com reports that the Flex and MKT might be done in 2013. If they take out two models(albeit slow sellers) and put two new models in as per contract, did Oakville and the CAW win an increase in work for Canada during this contract? 1000 on layoff in Windsor with 1500 to be added with the St. Thomas closure in 2011, we probably would have received more work if Ford went through bankruptcy. They wouldn't have the debt over their heads now. Report: Lincoln MKT, Ford Flex to be phased out at end of 2013? by Jonathon Ramsey (RSS feed) on Aug 2nd 2010 at 10:31AM Doesn't it seem like only yesterday that Ford was in charge of seven different brands? Now The Blue Oval is down to two, Ford and Lincoln, after today's sale of Volvo to Chinese automaker Geely and the pending execution of Mercury. This means more energy and money will be available to plot success for Ford and Lincoln, and according to a report in Automotive News, that means Lincoln could get "a compact, front-drive car or crossover" (Lincoln Concept C, anyone?) and perhaps a model based on the next Ford Mondeo. Not exactly what we would have expected from Ford's luxury brand, but times change. A small taste of what's in store for Lincoln: the MKX will get a redesign next year, the same year that the venerable Town Car dies, and, according to AN, a brand-new MKX with a design less like the Edge will appear in 2014. The MKZ gets a new look in 2013, which could be the last year for the controversial Ford Flex/Lincoln MKT and Navigator, perhaps replaced by an Explorer-based crossover or an SUV with more chops for rough terrain. Hopefully, they'll also rework that whole MK-Random-Letter approach to nomenclature as well. The more germane revelation is this: Ford apparently believes Lincoln's success is contingent on putting lots of daylight between Ford and Lincoln engineering. Lincoln models need to be more distinct from their Ford counterparts in everything from engines to styling to feature sets. That might mean a lot more luxury features and refinement could be making their way into Lincolns soon – and that's something increasingly anxious Lincoln dealers ought to be able to get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I doesn't look good for industry in general. We are being fed sugar-coated data to get us to spend when we really should be saving. Car sales have been down for several years. If there was a recovery, normal replacement of older cars would have sales through the roof, without counting purchases made to bolster social status. In recent months, we have gone from 25% increases year over year, to single digits, and that was done by artificial government stimulus (cash for clunkers). People I talk to in the steel industry say that orders are way down. There is a time to storm the ramparts and there is a time to hunker down. There is also the black strategy of providing "cannon fodder"; fewer mouths to feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTPisdead Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) It seems Ford put three Premier cleaners on the line doing production last night in the BAMR, because they were short on manpower. They had paint coveralls on but it didn't take long for people to find out who they really were. Steward calls went unanswered. What the hell is going one here? Next we will be paid in pesos. Edited August 5, 2010 by OTPisdead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) It seems Ford put three Premier cleaners on the line doing production last night in the BAMR, because they were short on manpower. They had paint coveralls on but it didn't take long for people to find out who they really were. Steward calls went unanswered. What the hell is going one here? Next we will be paid in pesos. More fine print in the contract that they didn't bother to tell us about at the ratification meeting. I was about to vote yes, until someone asked if any jobs were being outsourced. The representative mumbled, listing some jobs, one of which was mine. That was a shocker. I changed my mind and voted no. They obviously didn't want us to know about job outsourcing until after the vote. We need to get rid of this union before it is too late. We have non-union workers out of a temp agency doing shipping, which used to be a premium job requiring over 30 years seniority. The two-faced union will not hold the annual picnic at Canada's Wonderland because they have non-union workers. They allowed their own 30 year seniority workers to be replaced by non-union workers right in their own bargaining unit. Workers at Canada's Wonderland are lucky that they are not in the CAW. Edited August 5, 2010 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 It seems Ford put three Premier cleaners on the line doing production last night in the BAMR, because they were short on manpower. They had paint coveralls on but it didn't take long for people to find out who they really were. Steward calls went unanswered. What the hell is going one here? Next we will be paid in pesos. Union should be totally ashamed of themselves for letting this happen...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordwindsor Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I tried to reply to this ealier today but BlueOval was acting strange. Anyway, if this is true the zone committeman should be pressed as to why this happened or allowed to happen. If OAC is short on manpower, now that everyone has been called back, we have almost 1,000 on layoff here in Windsor that can cover any manpower shortages that OAC has. You need to pursue this so it never happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk00 Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Autoblog.com reports that the Flex and MKT might be done in 2013. http://wot.motortrend.com/6670699/auto-news/not-so-fast-ford-flex-and-lincoln-mkt-arent-going-anywhere/index.html#ixzz0vTXL4M6k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk00 Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I tried to reply to this ealier today but BlueOval was acting strange. Anyway, if this is true the zone committeman should be pressed as to why this happened or allowed to happen. If OAC is short on manpower, now that everyone has been called back, we have almost 1,000 on layoff here in Windsor that can cover any manpower shortages that OAC has. You need to pursue this so it never happens again. Yes, and it would be easy to get on the soapbox here again about the local prez and the national union for recruiting the premier people into the CAW and their reasons for doing so. I won't, though I'm sure someone else will...and He is right about this issue. However, let's take some accountability on this one. Who let's premier people work on the line beside them without shutting it down and walking off or walking out? I hope the company tries this in Body or Paint.......then the fun begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Yes, and it would be easy to get on the soapbox here again about the local prez and the national union for recruiting the premier people into the CAW and their reasons for doing so. I won't, though I'm sure someone else will...and He is right about this issue. However, let's take some accountability on this one. Who let's premier people work on the line beside them without shutting it down and walking off or walking out? I hope the company tries this in Body or Paint.......then the fun begins. We do not even know what is in the contract. Maybe it is permissable. I remember when they used to have salaried workers wearing white shirts and ties working on the line if there was a manpower shortage. Going against the company now is the same as going against the union. They will not back you up, just give you verbal warnings along the lines of what the company tells them. When I was in Plant Services, on rare occasions we could be placed on the line. They will set precedence wherever possible, and if it is not successfully aborted, it will become policy. If you do an outstanding job one day, and just an average job the next, average will be equated to poor. Outstanding will be the new standard. We need representation that does not back left wing socialist politics. Socialism has driven our jobs away. Supply and demand sets wages and working conditions in the big picture. When there is high unemployment, there is more supply of labor than demand, so people will work cheaper. Bring back a business friendly environment, and jobs will come back. There will be a labor shortage, and labor will call the shots again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyfromSTAP Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 So did this truthfully happen?It is hard to believe.What do the union supporters such as Charly say?How everyone didn't put down their tools and go home would be beyond me...this has to be not true or union has slipped way beyond belief and or the people that seen it and done nothing need to grow a set.WTF is happening at OAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Framer Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 It seems Ford put three Premier cleaners on the line doing production last night in the BAMR, because they were short on manpower. They had paint coveralls on but it didn't take long for people to find out who they really were. Steward calls went unanswered. What the hell is going one here? Next we will be paid in pesos. More fine print in the contract that they didn't bother to tell us about at the ratification meeting. I was about to vote yes, until someone asked if any jobs were being outsourced. The representative mumbled, listing some jobs, one of which was mine. That was a shocker. I changed my mind and voted no. They obviously didn't want us to know about job outsourcing until after the vote. We need to get rid of this union before it is too late. We have non-union workers out of a temp agency doing shipping, which used to be a premium job requiring over 30 years seniority. The two-faced union will not hold the annual picnic at Canada's Wonderland because they have non-union workers. They allowed their own 30 year seniority workers to be replaced by non-union workers right in their own bargaining unit. Workers at Canada's Wonderland are lucky that they are not in the CAW. Union should be totally ashamed of themselves for letting this happen...... I tried to reply to this ealier today but BlueOval was acting strange. Anyway, if this is true the zone committeman should be pressed as to why this happened or allowed to happen. If OAC is short on manpower, now that everyone has been called back, we have almost 1,000 on layoff here in Windsor that can cover any manpower shortages that OAC has. You need to pursue this so it never happens again. Yes, and it would be easy to get on the soapbox here again about the local prez and the national union for recruiting the premier people into the CAW and their reasons for doing so. I won't, though I'm sure someone else will...and He is right about this issue. However, let's take some accountability on this one. Who let's premier people work on the line beside them without shutting it down and walking off or walking out? I hope the company tries this in Body or Paint.......then the fun begins. We do not even know what is in the contract. Maybe it is permissable. I remember when they used to have salaried workers wearing white shirts and ties working on the line if there was a manpower shortage. Going against the company now is the same as going against the union. They will not back you up, just give you verbal warnings along the lines of what the company tells them. When I was in Plant Services, on rare occasions we could be placed on the line. They will set precedence wherever possible, and if it is not successfully aborted, it will become policy. If you do an outstanding job one day, and just an average job the next, average will be equated to poor. Outstanding will be the new standard. We need representation that does not back left wing socialist politics. Socialism has driven our jobs away. Supply and demand sets wages and working conditions in the big picture. When there is high unemployment, there is more supply of labor than demand, so people will work cheaper. Bring back a business friendly environment, and jobs will come back. There will be a labor shortage, and labor will call the shots again. So did this truthfully happen?It is hard to believe.What do the union supporters such as Charly say?How everyone didn't put down their tools and go home would be beyond me...this has to be not true or union has slipped way beyond belief and or the people that seen it and done nothing need to grow a set.WTF is happening at OAC? There seems to be some confusion here about what the union is. The union is all of the hourly rated workers. The Committee people are just the elected reps. If the union (meaning everyone nearby) could not see that this required an immediate reaction(walkout, sit down or shit run) then why would you expect a rep to have any strength to resolve an issue such as this. If you think (as some here do) that the union is an outside force then you may as well go back to sucking the foreman's dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 There seems to be some confusion here about what the union is. The union is all of the hourly rated workers. The Committee people are just the elected reps. If the union (meaning everyone nearby) could not see that this required an immediate reaction(walkout, sit down or shit run) then why would you expect a rep to have any strength to resolve an issue such as this. If you think (as some here do) that the union is an outside force then you may as well go back to sucking the foreman's dick. You Mr No Gender No Balls are wrong,union represents employees that work for Ford ,doing Ford JOBS that pay union dues every month,not some twobit Premier workers that work in the plant,they have no rights to those jobs. Those Premier workers should have refused to do the work,as they work for another local in the plant.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) There seems to be some confusion here about what the union is. The union is all of the hourly rated workers. The Committee people are just the elected reps. If the union (meaning everyone nearby) could not see that this required an immediate reaction(walkout, sit down or shit run) then why would you expect a rep to have any strength to resolve an issue such as this. If you think (as some here do) that the union is an outside force then you may as well go back to sucking the foreman's dick. The union is an outside force. Any belief to the contrary is brainwashing. We need to detatch ourselves from the union and start maintaining a proper agent-client relationship with them. If I hire a law firm to represent me for something, I do not let them brainwash me into believing that I am part of the law firm, and therefore responsible if they fail. If you let the agency that you hire to do a service turn itself into a cult and indoctrinate and hypnotize you, after you pay it your good money, you are a real sucker, not just a dick sucker. Edited August 7, 2010 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) You Mr No Gender No Balls are wrong,union represents employees that work for Ford ,doing Ford JOBS that pay union dues every month,not some twobit Premier workers that work in the plant,they have no rights to those jobs. Those Premier workers should have refused to do the work,as they work for another local in the plant.. Actually, they belong to Local 707. The union is a two headed snake; one head for us, and one head against us. In this situation, they can't take sides because they represent both sides. It is like having your ex-spouce's lawyer represent you in the divorce. Don't worry, just believe and have faith. Unionists are so indoctrinated that the union can get away with anything with them. It is like Jim Jones dishing out the Kool-Aid. Edited August 7, 2010 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Actually, they belong to Local 707. The union is a two headed snake; one head for us, and one head against us. In this situation, they can't take sides because they represent both sides. It is like having your ex-spouce's lawyer represent you in the divorce. Don't worry, just believe and have faith. Unionists are so indoctrinated that the union can get away with anything with them. It is like Jim Jones dishing out the Kool-Aid. Well didn't know they belong to the same local 707 Trim....just seems now the Union and Ford sleep in the same bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Well didn't know they belong to the same local 707 Trim....just seems now the Union and Ford sleep in the same bed. Yeah, they're in the same union local. So when Lewenza gets up at the next meeting and tells you that "at least we don't have two teir wages like the UAW" you can tell the fat fuck to sit back down and shut the fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yeah, they're in the same union local. So when Lewenza gets up at the next meeting and tells you that "at least we don't have two teir wages like the UAW" you can tell the fat fuck to sit back down and shut the fuck up. well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastime Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Actually, they belong to Local 707. The union is a two headed snake; one head for us, and one head against us. In this situation, they can't take sides because they represent both sides. It is like having your ex-spouce's lawyer represent you in the divorce. Don't worry, just believe and have faith. Unionists are so indoctrinated that the union can get away with anything with them. It is like Jim Jones dishing out the Kool-Aid. WOW! Really? Maybe I'll take the pass on the transfer and go straight for the buyout ... what an eye opener... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yeah, they're in the same union local. So when Lewenza gets up at the next meeting and tells you that "at least we don't have two teir wages like the UAW" you can tell the fat fuck to sit back down and shut the fuck up. Well said Sparky,saw him give the bad news to STAP at the ratification meeting last year,you forgot one thing... he is a short fat fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyfromSTAP Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 WOW! Really? Maybe I'll take the pass on the transfer and go straight for the buyout ... what an eye opener... lmao...your 10 years aren't getting transfered anywhere...who you kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allford1 Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I would be surprised if anyone (ST.Thomas /WINDSOR) outside of OAC gets hired from here on...I hope you all enjoyed the CAW COOL- AID at the last VOTE. Why is Trim making so much sense???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyfromSTAP Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I would be surprised if anyone (ST.Thomas /WINDSOR) outside of OAC gets hired from here on...I hope you all enjoyed the CAW COOL- AID at the last VOTE. Why is Trim making so much sense???? I agree allford...I think it'll be years before anymore workers are needed at Ford in Canada...though hard time mentioning Trim as he is part of that problem.Guys like Trim are very good for Ford as he is a 2nd tier worker already but he doesn't see the favour he is doing Ford by staying.It sucks for us older guys that were getting close to retire but things will work out down here for us.The younger worker in Stap might have alot tougher go on his hands as there is huge changes coming for them looking for any kind of decent paying job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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