McCain Camp Hiding Palin From Sunday News Shows

[Mark B. Morrow]

Better. I have Internet access.

 

Obama accuses McCain camp of phony outrage on lipstick comment

 

 

Perhaps the man who told the following joke about an 18 year old girl in 1998 shouldn't be outraged about anything that someone else inadvertently said:

 

Q: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

 

A: Because her father is Janet Reno.

 

John McCain later had to appologize to the Clintons when the news of his joke hit the press.

[Floyd Lawson]

Perhaps the man who told the following joke about an 18 year old girl in 1998 shouldn't be outraged about anything that someone else inadvertently said:

 

Q: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

 

A: Because her father is Janet Reno.

 

John McCain later had to appologize to the Clintons when the news of his joke hit the press.

Now that's funny right there, I don't care what anyone says.

[Hemiman]

(BTW, our "Communist" friends, the Chinese, are kicking our asses in GDP growth and volume of trade - spin on that one for awhile assholes.)

 

 

You and all your Lexus liberal friends would be the first to cry if you had to live for one second under the conditions of the average worker in China.

 

 

Not a very good example of utopia.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Now that's funny right there, I don't care what anyone says.

 

As funny as lipstick on a pig?

[Floyd Lawson]

As funny as lipstick on a pig?

Yes, much funnier.

[RangerM]

Now that's funny right there, I don't care what anyone says.

 

Git 'er done!

[mulewright]

Guess what, none of us liberals gives a shit anymore about being called liberal - or socialist, or communist, or anything else (BTW, our "Communist" friends, the Chinese, are kicking our asses in GDP growth and volume of trade - spin on that one for awhile assholes.)

 

Yep, living like the chinese.... what a vision of the future....

[mulewright]

Really? From what I'm reading on the Fox News web site, not exactly a liberal news media site, Palin didn't do all that great in her interview with Charlie Gibson (and Fox makes no criticism of ABC or Gibson, either).

Obviously ABC is just another news orginization completely in the tank for Obama...

 

ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview

 

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NewsBusters

By P.J. Gladnick

 

A transcript of the unedited interview of Sarah Palin by Charles Gibson clearly shows that ABC News edited out crucial portions of the interview that showed Palin as knowledgeable or presented her answers out of context. This unedited transcript of the first of the Gibson interviews with Palin is available on radio host Mark Levin's website. The sections edited out by ABC News are in bold. The first edit shows Palin responding about meeting with foreign leaders but this was actually in response to a question Gibson asked several questions earlier:

 

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

Edited September 13, 2008 by mulewright

[retro-man]

Yep, living like the chinese.... what a vision of the future....

To listen to the right here on BON, you'd think that any country to the left of Idi Amin's Uganda would automatically be an economic basket case: that China's "Communism" and Europe's Socialized medicine would doom them to living in the dark and eating beetle grubs. The word "Liberal" is tossed out like a curse here on BON by the hard of thinking, and used interchangeably with "Socialist" and "Communist" - as if you are incapable of making finer distinctions. The world is turned into black and white, with nothing in between. This is the lazy man's polemics.

 

My point was that by some measures - particularly economic growth rate - the Chinese are at the moment functioning on a higher level than we are. On others: political and religious freedom, environmental and labor protection, they are not. But I would argue that we are converging rather than diverging with the Chinese in all of those areas: Our labor standards are falling, our wage levels are trending toward parity with the Chinese (still a ways to go), our environmental protections are under attack, our constitutional protections are under attack, and we seem to now have a de facto religious litmus test for public office! Polls show that Chinese are full of optimism for the future and Americans are not. Isn't our system supposed to be so superior that we should be leaving them in the dust? Is the world maybe just a little more complex than some here would like to believe?

[suv_guy_19]

To listen to the right here on BON, you'd think that any country to the left of Idi Amin's Uganda would automatically be an economic basket case: that China's "Communism" and Europe's Socialized medicine would doom them to living in the dark and eating beetle grubs.

 

I think some think that that is the truth.

[RangerM]

I think some think that that is the truth.

 

There is a large quantity of information to support what 'some' think.

[suv_guy_19]

There is a large quantity of information to support what 'some' think.

 

About Western Europe? I doesn't think so.

[RangerM]

About Western Europe? I doesn't think so.

 

Choose your topic and do a Google search. There's plenty.

[Imawhosure]

Choose your topic and do a Google search. There's plenty.

 

Ranger,

 

They don't get it, they just don't get it. They believe we need to look like these other countrys. I don't remember us ever looking like them, nor ever wanting to emulate them.

 

They don't want to be free, they want someone to take care of them. It is a shame that they think it is better to saddle our children and grandchildren with SOCIALISM, than give the gift of freedom.

 

Many of you think that FMCCAP is some sort of crackpot; I disagree. He tells you what was before, what is now, and where we are heading. In the transition between the three, he explains how we have deteriorated, and all of you laugh and continue to push down that road. More government intervention, more government taking over of things, more taxes, more, more. Never do I hear anyone suggest we CUT spending for discretionary expenditures, its all about making new programs pushing us towards making the government our daddy and momma. You want all for one, and one for all in everything, with no reward for success.

 

You refuse to look at your own circumstance, and how I am sure each of you complain about the people who work near you who use the system, while doing nothing. Don't you DESERVE more money than they do? Are you willing to allow them to have exactly the same deal you do, for the same pay, while you work and they hide? Orrrrrrrrrr, do you wish to turn into one of them once you are PROTECTED by the government?

 

I believe to many of you sell yourselves short. You are the people who CAN get ahead, know how to speak, think, and can raise your familys economic situation above those who would drag you down through the "Three Musketeer Syndrome." (all for one, and one for all)

 

All I can tell each of you is reality---------->I don't know to many great ideas that came out of socialism, or wonderful individuals either. And those that did like Nadia Commenici, or Vladislov Tratiek ran like hell to get away from that idea. Their great minds and bodies came here, Lee Harvey Oswald went there. Who do you think got the cream of the crop because of their superior ideas?

 

And yet, some of you duffusses want to try anyway. Even with Cuba, even with Yugoslavia, with all of them, you STILL THINK IT IS WONDERFUL TO EMULATE THEM!!!!!

 

Like I said, "you just don't get it," and some of you are the type of people who would sell their souls (if you believe in God, if not, maybe your first born) for a government program that will make your life easier, at the expense of the rest of us. You are to LAZY to climb the ladder, and whine that the ladder is no longer here. (any excuse in a port of storm for avoiding work all)

 

It is all good though at this time, cause your SOCIALIST, Mr Barry (Barack) is falling behind more, and more everyday.

 

I believe like another poster who started a thread, that Mr Mcain will be a MEDIOCRE PRESIDENT. But a MEDIOCRE PRESIDENT is far better than an inexperienced, SOCIALIST one, and the American public must be coming to that conclusion too; present company excluded.

 

OUT OF TOUCH?!?!?!?!?!?! It is obvious that you people are describing yourselves, and do not even realize it.

[suv_guy_19]

Choose your topic and do a Google search. There's plenty.

 

You can say the same thing about any country.

[RangerM]

You can say the same thing about any country.

 

Are we talking about countries or concepts?

[suv_guy_19]

Are we talking about countries or concepts?

 

You could also find problems with any concept.

[RangerM]

You could also find problems with any concept.

 

That's the point, isn't it?

 

Deciding whether the consequences outweigh the benefits.

 

Is socialized medicine, for all its benefits, worth the cost, or the risk that the ultimate endpoint is rationing?

 

Is a liberal welfare program, for all its benefits, worth the possibility that you will have those who become generational abusers?

 

Is drug legalization, for all its (perceived) benefits, worth the risk of millions of new addicts or the possibility of undermining of the health (or security) of the nation?

 

Is affirmative action (as in racial preferences or quotas), for all its ability to "level the playing field", worth the cost of the perceived "soft racism" of lowered standards/expectations?

Edited September 15, 2008 by RangerM

[RangerM]

Ranger,

 

They don't get it, they just don't get it. They believe we need to look like these other countrys. I don't remember us ever looking like them, nor ever wanting to emulate them.

 

-deleted for space-

 

I think that many believe that we (Americans) will take the same programs (socialized medicine, environmental policy aka Global Warming, welfare, taxation, infrastructure, etc) and do them better by learning from the mistakes of our counterparts.

 

We are better, therefore we'll do it better and avoid the pitfalls the others experienced.

 

I see this as the ultimate hubris.

[fmccap]

Many of you think that FMCCAP is some sort of crackpot; I disagree. He tells you what was before, what is now, and where we are heading. In the transition between the three, he explains how we have deteriorated, and all of you laugh and continue to push down that road. More government intervention, more government taking over of things, more taxes, more, more. Never do I hear anyone suggest we CUT spending for discretionary expenditures, its all about making new programs pushing us towards making the government our daddy and momma. You want all for one, and one for all in everything, with no reward for success.

That means you and them have something to agree on???LOL

 

I have suggested that many times. (cutting a whole lotta crap)

 

I believe like another poster who started a thread, that Mr Mcain will be a MEDIOCRE PRESIDENT. But a MEDIOCRE PRESIDENT is far better than an inexperienced, SOCIALIST one, and the American public must be coming to that conclusion too; present company excluded.

I agree with this but I also think we need to change our ways and demand someone that is really "A GOOD CANDIDATE". Look back and the "mediocre" ones are the high majority, collectively as a country right now look where we stand from it and where we are headed.

 

P.S. I still wonder why you disagree with me so much when I get the feeling we actually see eye to eye on so many things.

Also are you willing to tell me about your new thing you mentioned you were now doing?

Edited September 15, 2008 by fmccap

[Imawhosure]

That means you and them have something to agree on???LOL

 

I have suggested that many times. (cutting a whole lotta crap)

 

Yes you have

 

 

P.S. I still wonder why you disagree with me so much when I get the feeling we actually see eye to eye on so many things.

 

It is very simple really, and I have explained it before, but I shall explain it one more time. Maybe this time you will listen!!!!!

 

We did not all wake up one morning in this country and turn from what we were, to what we are now. It all was done in INCREMENTS!!!!! People didn't even notice, and the only way you get a grasp of the tremendous change is by looking back 40 years to policys along with treasury receipts, and look at today.

 

What you don't understand is that there are people who WANT us on this road, and you will not only have them at your throat if you try to revert, but they will get the much of America on their side to boot, as many Americans were not alive that long ago to understand the through living it, how it HELPS THEM PERSONALLY.

 

You want to go for the homerun, the whole enchilada just because you grasp the situation, you think everyone else does too. Not only do they NOT, but many a group are happy with the status quo. (Think lobbyists, enviro groups, the religious right, etc, etc.) To turn it back, you MUST DO THE REVERSE of what got us here. You must constrict them incrementally, or they will ban together to destroy the idea you have put forth.

 

You have shown (so far anyway) consistently the inability to accept the premise of using politics to reverse BAD POLITICS AND POLICYS, and instead, attempt to use force of will, with the illogical outcome of allowing us to travel further down the road of government intervention, if you don't get your way for all, or nothing.

 

You have also (I am not criticizing you perse, I am really trying to point you in the correct direction) put to much stock in the Presidency, and easily could have an impact upon your congressional races if you tried. The desire you have is impressive, pointing it to get the most bang for your effort is what is lacking.

 

I have told both YOU and YOUR FRIEND who has left us to go to another site, "you guys have to learn to USE the system to have an impact." You instead want to change the system. Reality check----------->only way to change the system is be on top, not on the bottom.

 

Finally, let me point out to you my young friend, that while many a people pointed out to you certain aspects Of RPs policys were a little off, not to many ever tried to suggest his message of what happened to get us here for the most part, WAS NOT TRUE!!!!! The reason they were so condescending to you was they knew by political experience, the man could never win. Once his ouster from the primarys became obvious, you misused your talents to help our country by beating a dead horse, and throwing a fit because he was.

 

Do you think that Mcain was my first choice? How about Rangers? How many democrats that are now for Barack were for Hilly before? We collectively are trying to move the country in opposite directions, although MOST of us from both partys believe it is NOT EXACTLY in the direction we want, but it is better than the alternative. THAT IS POLITICS!!!!! If you can't get YOUR candidate with at least a 30% chance to win, that is his/her/your fault. But to NOT at least pick one of the remaining to support that most closely identifies with your ideals leaves you totally outof the political loop.

 

Don't you understand Mr Cap? That is how THEY moved us from where you know we were, to where we are now. You admit it yourself. They did it slowly!!!!! Soooooooooo, to take your ball and go home because it didn't come out the way you liked is crazy. By NOT choosing and tacitly supporting either Mcain, or Obama, you allow them to push you further away from what you know is correct. If you don't understand the premise, then you will never have any sort of impact upon our political system. I expected more from both you and Furious than that, and I expected you both did too!!!!

Also are you willing to tell me about your new thing you mentioned you were now doing?

 

Writing, just leave it at that.

Edited September 15, 2008 by Imawhosure

[fmccap]

Obviously ABC is just another news orginization completely in the tank for Obama...

 

ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

NewsBusters

By P.J. Gladnick

 

A transcript of the unedited interview of Sarah Palin by Charles Gibson clearly shows that ABC News edited out crucial portions of the interview that showed Palin as knowledgeable or presented her answers out of context. This unedited transcript of the first of the Gibson interviews with Palin is available on radio host Mark Levin's website. The sections edited out by ABC News are in bold. The first edit shows Palin responding about meeting with foreign leaders but this was actually in response to a question Gibson asked several questions earlier:

 

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

 

 

Friends of Palin want ABC's unedited tapes; to be fairandbalanced FOX should do the same

News Hounds recommends that FOX News go first. The "interviews" Bill O'Reilly conducted of Hillary Clinton in the primaries and Barack Obama last week were obviously heavily edited also. Once FOX puts both those meetings, in full and unedited, on their website, then let's talk.

[Edstock]

I think that many believe that we (Americans) will take the same programs (socialized medicine, environmental policy aka Global Warming, welfare, taxation, infrastructure, etc) and do them better by learning from the mistakes of our counterparts.

 

We are better, therefore we'll do it better and avoid the pitfalls the others experienced.

 

I see this as the ultimate hubris.

"We are better, therefore we'll do it better and avoid the pitfalls the others experienced." — that was the attitude of the people who created your Constitution. It was a good attitude then, and it's equally good today.

 

You're concerned over generational welfare. You're right to be concerned, because it's coming, thanks to technology, not politics or commie liberals.

 

Think about it. A child born in 2000 won't be retiring until 2065, and will probably have kids of his/her own by 2030. Consider how technology like robotics has replaced people in a process that expands day by day. And the people born in 2030 won't retire until 2095. Imagine how many jobs conservative rich business owners can get rid of in the next 75 years. So you have more people and fewer jobs.

 

So, if you have children, you might want to refrain from dogmatic knee-jerk, and figure out how to cope with this future. If conservative politicians and their supporters do not start investing in America's people, then you will have a nation with an incredibly rich elite and a mass of dumpster-divers.

 

Me? I'm a fiscal conservative, but I don't deny trends that I see.

[RangerM]

"We are better, therefore we'll do it better and avoid the pitfalls the others experienced." — that was the attitude of the people who created your Constitution. It was a good attitude then, and it's equally good today.

 

You're concerned over generational welfare. You're right to be concerned, because it's coming, thanks to technology, not politics or commie liberals.

 

Think about it. A child born in 2000 won't be retiring until 2065, and will probably have kids of his/her own by 2030. Consider how technology like robotics has replaced people in a process that expands day by day. And the people born in 2030 won't retire until 2095. Imagine how many jobs conservative rich business owners can get rid of in the next 75 years. So you have more people and fewer jobs.

 

So, if you have children, you might want to refrain from dogmatic knee-jerk, and figure out how to cope with this future. If conservative politicians and their supporters do not start investing in America's people, then you will have a nation with an incredibly rich elite and a mass of dumpster-divers.

 

Me? I'm a fiscal conservative, but I don't deny trends that I see.

 

Unless you are going to get rid of ALL manufacturing in this country, I don't totally agree with you. And if all manufacturing is got rid of in this country we can only blame ourselves, for not living up to reasonable standards of conduct (like taking advantage of the educational opportunities this country provides), and for electing politicians whose only modus operandi is emulating Robin Hood, and not looking out for ALL peoples' (rich AND poor) best interest.

 

Someone has to invent/build the robots, service them, fix them when they break. When we stopped making buggies, the same people made cars. There will be inventions in the next few years that we can't imagine.

 

Do I have optimism for the future of my family? You bet. I am not resting on my laurels waiting for opportunity. I'm going to make my own. My kids will benefit from my example, and will have the education that my parents couldn't afford to provide for me. Should I feel sorry for those that don't? Why? Because I had two parents who loved me and believed in me? Because I learned (from them) that I will never allow myself to be dominated by another person whose livelihood is in no way dependent on me?

 

(Near where I live) When I see an family of immigrants move into a cinderblock house, and through their own hard work, end up with a much larger house behind it with a multi-vehicle business that they started and worked to build, I know this country still has opportunity.

 

Those that started poor, and ended up rich, are likely to keep doing the things that made them rich.

 

Those that start poor, and keep doing the types of things that keep them poor, will end up poor, and their kids will suffer for it.

 

Those that start rich, and do things that make them poor, will end up poor. Anyone seen the Vanderbilt's lately? How about a Rockefeller? You think Paris Hilton's heirs will have much within two generations?

 

That is the way of things.

 

If the politicians really cared about the people, they'd spend their money providing the tools for people to improve themselves, rather than bullshit government programs that perpetuate the misery by enabling it.

 

Giving money to a poor person, who only knows how to "think like a poor person", is no better than giving Vodka to a drunk.

 

If the government really wanted to educate people, there would be a better answer than simply pouring ever greater sums down the same bottomless pit of an education system we currently have. One thing we could definitely learn from the Europeans, is their system of school vouchers/choice. John Stossel had a great program called "Stupid in America" that illustrated this.

Edited September 16, 2008 by RangerM

[Bored of Pisteon]

I'm looking forward to the Vice-Presidental debate myself! In fact, I can't wait to see how many more gaffes, misquotes, and stupid shit Joe Biden says!