Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Jaguar and Land Rover are a shadow of their former self since the left Ford despite having the fresh new models like the XF. European August 2008 Jaguar/Land Rover sale down -41.7% http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/20...07-08-FINAL.pdf Land Rover 2,006 sales. -54.9% Jaguar 1,444 sales. -2.0% Jaguar And Land Rover To No Longer Report U.S. Sales Figures Tata Motors Ltds Jaguar Cars Ltd. and Land Rover divisions no longer will report U.S. monthly sales, citing a strategy that stresses quality over quantity. The U.K.-based luxury auto makers continued to make public monthly tallies following their sale by former parent Ford Motor Co. to Tata earlier this year, but have ceased the practice as of this month. Jaguar and Land Rover spokeswoman Barbara Barrett says in an e-mail response that the divisions are niche auto makers and as such no longer are compelled to report sales figures. http://www.autospies.com/news/Jaguar-And-L...-Figures-34506/ TATA's last set of US Jaguar/Land Rover sales numbers. August 2008 US sales Jaguar 1,377 +1.3% Land Rover 1,961 -59.6% Did Ford do the right thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Yes. They were nothing but a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) T Stag, Tstag...where fore art thou T-stag? Edited September 16, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 No surprise. Jaguar needs a smaller sportscar than the V-8-powered XK, IMHO. For almost 2 years, I have recommended some kind of 2-seat roadster powered by a version of the Volvo I-6, with nicely cast cam covers, reprising the old 3.8/4.2. It would be taxed more lightly in the EU, with lower CO2 consumption. Think of it as a new XK-150, hey, call it the XK-160. Rag-top only, to keep costs/weight lower. It would slot between the Lotus Elise and the XK-8. L-R? They have to go back to their roots, IMHO. The fixation on NVH and luxury means everything weighs 6 tons, or so it seems. Well, it's time for the CAD gang at Solihull to think outside the box, as the market for the LR-3 and the Rangerover dries up. If I were head of R&D at L-R, I'd be pestering MIT about their work with direct alcohol fuel cells. They've made some solid advances in efficiency this year and in lowering costs of the fuel cell membrane, which is the key component. As well, some kind of diesel hybrid should be fast-tracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 T Stag, Tstag...wher fore art thou T-stag? LOL, he is probably in stiff upper lip sulk mood at the present time and can't face the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 LOL, he is probably in stiff upper lip sulk mood at the present time and can't face the world someone should PM him and suggest he doesn't jump............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 (edited) someone should PM him and suggest he doesn't jump............ If he asks me for advice, gotta say l would tell him to jump Deanh If you want me to find your nearest bridge for you in the Midlands T-Stang, if you let us have your post code l will look it up for you on Google maps. Edited September 16, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 should have built the original F-type..... should have built the new XK and XF years ago Stick a fork in them and relaunch in 5 years after the air has cleared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbmphil Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 It's hard to report sales when you don't sell any vehicles :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarpower Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why do I feel that in the end Jag and LR will end with Fiat since Mr Tata will see that it will cost his companies a lot of billions to keep these 2 former Ford companies and now with Mr Tata nano in hold and the economy going down in the whole planet I feel that Ford just got rid of them in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 Why do I feel that in the end Jag and LR will end with Fiat since Mr Tata will see that it will cost his companies a lot of billions to keep these 2 former Ford companies and now with Mr Tata nano in hold and the economy going down in the whole planet I feel that Ford just got rid of them in time Jaguar will now be cutting back as well on production http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/23/jaguar-...roduction-cuts/ The news follows on from JLR’s announcement that it will be introducing a four-day week at Land Rover’s Solihull site, and the company has also said that it will move 300 of its workers from Solihull to Castle Bromwich to work on the XF. Land Rover Discovery and Range Rover Sport models will no longer be produced on a Friday and some nightshifts, producing Range Rovers, will be suspended from October until the end of the year. http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/234684/ Gotta say l can't see TATA holding on to the automotive slags for much longer the automotive equivalent of the female bike will be sold on to another mug. Gotta say l am pleased Ford got rid of J/LR they as Ford would now be facing a huge wage bill to pay with very little in the way of sales and massive losses on their books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStag Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 OK just back from my hols in Japan and a few points: - August is the worst month for European car sales because most people here go on holiday and simply don't buy cars - Jaguar's sales are going up in the USA when everyone else's are going down - Jag is allegedly so confident that they have copyrighter the brands C-XJ and C-XE (XE is thought to be a JAGUAR replacement for the Mondeo X type) - European sales are generally at their lowest in decades - Land Rover is setting sales records in Russia and China making up for some of the losses in Europe and the USA - Land Rover's models are selling in a tough environment for all car makers but Land Rover will launch 4 new model over the next 2 years - Land Rover has an ageing lineup. - JLR is expecting to lose just 150 million by the end of the year (not sure if it was dollars or pounds). But all things considered that's nothing compared to what Volvo will lose, and is tiny next to Ford, GM and Chrysler) Finally why would TATA sell JLR to Fiat? If you add the market capitalisation of GM, Ford, Fiat and Chrysler together then it's peanuts to what the entire TATA group is worth. TATA motors is bigger than Ford in many parts of Asia and is huge in commercial vehicles (third biggest in the world). So why on earth would they sell two world class brands to Fiat (which Ratan Tata is a director of). Oh yes, Fiat may one day be sold to TATA motors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 JLR is expecting to lose just 150 million by the end of the year (not sure if it was dollars or pounds). But all things considered that's nothing compared to what Volvo will lose, and is tiny next to Ford /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 - Land Rover has an ageing lineup.- JLR is expecting to lose just 150 million by the end of the year (not sure if it was dollars or pounds). But all things considered that's nothing compared to what Volvo will lose, and is tiny next to Ford, GM and Chrysler) Land Rover made $1 billion profit last year, how could J/LR only lose $150 million this year? All that beautiful revenue vanashes into thin air -sounds like PAG all right! I think Ford had perfect timing ridding itself of J/LR and keeping Volvo, here's why: Tata will have to find Billions to update J/LR's vehicles in the next two years but Volvo shares both of its platforms with Ford and will get updates at a fraction of the cost. Volvo's fleet are basically fuel efficient four and five cylinder vehicles to middle class buyers and problems with sales in the USA are mainly to do with marketing and distribution which can be corrected at a fraction of the price facing Tata and Jaguar /Land Rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 So why on earth would they sell two world class brands to Fiat (which Ratan Tata is a director of). Oh yes, Fiat may one day be sold to TATA motors! I hope they buy it. Tata need a learning experience. If Ratan Tata ordered a Tata with a custon wicker interior, it woud be Ratan Tata's Rattan Tata. If he left a dead carp in the trunk in the Mumbai heat for a couple of days, he'd have Ratan Tata's Rotten Rattan Tata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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