Critic Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 As far as I know, very little of the Fiesta's components will be shipped to Mexico from Europe. Exchange rates would kill its profitablity. To use another example: C1 Focus. Parts for those vehicles are manufactured in several different locations. So, this is different than what I said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 So, this is different than what I said? You said: It's hard to think of a component manufacturer that has multiple plants making the same 'part'. Well, they do have multiple plants making the same 'part' in many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) Well, they do have multiple plants making the same 'part' in many cases. OK, I'll retract my statement. It's too far out of context now. I and you and the original questioner are all thinking differently. FIXED Edited March 26, 2009 by Critic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Thanks Austin I am sure it is a very complex topic to try and simplify. Hopefully this time around the end products will be equally good in all markets. In a sense maybe the bad global economic situation will benefit Ford, as all divisions are in the same boat so to speak, plus senior people within the product development organization have in the past worked together on cross-brand, cross-market programs. Another factor that should help: Centralized decision making. Ford's European European engineers won't be permitted to 'assume' that what's fine for Europe is outstanding for the US, and dictate decisions accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 making the same "part" Kind of depends on what you mean by 'part' as well.... Aren't there more than 10,000 -parts- to a car? And that probably treats such assembled components as the radio and PCM as a single 'part'... Even if Tier 1 level 'parts' are made in more than one place, that doesn't mean that those 'parts' aren't made out of 'parts' that only come from one source.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Another factor that should help: Centralized decision making. Ford's European European engineers won't be permitted to 'assume' that what's fine for Europe is outstanding for the US, and dictate decisions accordingly. AND vice versa?.........doubt a King Ranch Fiesta would go down well in Europe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Make it so, Scottie. FYI....Capt Picard never gave the "Make is so..." order to Engineer Scott, they did meet in Star Trek: TNG episode "Relics" (episode #130)....but that was about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 AND vice versa?.........doubt a King Ranch Fiesta would go down well in Europe... A King Ranch Fiesta. Wonder what that would look like? Bet it would sell well is South Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 AND vice versa?.........doubt a King Ranch Fiesta would go down well in Europe... What if they renamed it Fiesta Rancho del Rey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 A King Ranch Fiesta. Wonder what that would look like? Bet it would sell well is South Africa. Probably not, but, they make a small FWD pickup that a KR moniker might just do quite nicely. Then again, there's the Falcon Ute. Seems exported from Oz to SA. Check out the SA site http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServ...A&c=DFYPage Do you think Americans would buy it? How about as an F-100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Do you think Americans would buy it? I'll answer that this way: I think GM deciding to cancel the Pontiac G8 ST was one of the few smart things they've done lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 What if they renamed it Fiesta Rancho del Rey? :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 AND vice versa?.........doubt a King Ranch Fiesta would go down well in Europe... Big difference: American engineers were never permitted to cram their arrogance down the throat of European engineers and ruin products for the European market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 So Paul Mascarenas , Vice President, Engineering, Global Product Development is the head man as far as engineering, whom the global engineering team report to? Also he will be the one responsible to implement the global engineering system? The more I read on this One Ford system, and compare it to Ford 2000, it appears much more organized and better structured. Looks like a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 So Paul Mascarenas , Vice President, Engineering, Global Product Development is the head man as far as engineering, whom the global engineering team report to?Also he will be the one responsible to implement the global engineering system? The more I read on this One Ford system, and compare it to Ford 2000, it appears much more organized and better structured. Looks like a good team. certainly hope so...rather than one upmanship a collaboration to make the best possible overall product and utilize each and EVERYONES expertise means a great future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 The problem with Ford 2000 is that it did nothing to remove regional silos. Shared products developed under Ford 2000 were always 'headed' by a particular region---which means that the final product depended on how well that region was operating. In the case of CDW27, FoE plainly was neither interested in what European customers wanted, nor in what NA engineers said that NA customers wanted. Had FoE listened to -either- set of constituents the Mondeo/Contour/Mystique would've been oh so much better. But those were the bad ol' days at FoE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 The problem with Ford 2000 is that it did nothing to remove regional silos. Shared products developed under Ford 2000 were always 'headed' by a particular region---which means that the final product depended on how well that region was operating. In the case of CDW27, FoE plainly was neither interested in what European customers wanted, nor in what NA engineers said that NA customers wanted. Had FoE listened to -either- set of constituents the Mondeo/Contour/Mystique would've been oh so much better. But those were the bad ol' days at FoE. Interesting words from John Fleming and his thoughts on Ford 2000 comparing to One Ford. Fleming - who had just been put in charge of seven U.S. plants - arrived in North America in 1995, in time to land on the Ford 2000 transition team. And that gave him an up-close look at the collapse of the plan that was supposed to make Ford the world's most profitable automaker. "We drove quickly to be global and to operate globally," said Liverpool-born Fleming, 56, who had started at Ford as a 16-year-old apprentice working on the launch of the Ford Escort in 1967. "But we forgot that you still need geographically regional business groups to worry every day about product, profit and loss, and all the things that we're responsible for." Under Ford 2000, Ford of Europe had little control over important product decisions in its own market. That miscalculation doomed the plan, and the company was forced to shut plants and lay off workers. Current CEO Alan Mulally says he remembers that lesson as he reorganizes the automaker under his One Ford strategy, which shares Trotman's goal of maximizing global product resources. "What I did was use the best of Ford 2000, but also the best of the customer-facing market organizations, the P&Ls," Mulally says. In Fleming's eyes, the initiative doesn't take Ford full circle to the Ford 2000 days. Instead, Mulally's structure will let regional business units save money on vehicle development while introducing cars customized for local markets. Says Fleming: "We're getting the advantage of global scale and still maintaining the people who are worried about the business every day. And that's a different twist from Ford 2000." Amy Wilson Automotive News April 30, 2007 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 FYI....Capt Picard never gave the "Make it so..." order to Engineer Scott, they did meet in Star Trek: TNG episode "Relics" (episode #130)....but that was about it. Well... he could have said it.. maybe in another alternative world. or if the show had never really been cancelled. but he could have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well... he could have said it.. maybe in another alternative world. or if the show had never really been cancelled. but he could have... In that Alternate world, Star Trek never got cancelled, and Toyota and Honda are filing for bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Probably not, but, they make a small FWD pickup that a KR moniker might just do quite nicely.Then again, there's the Falcon Ute. Seems exported from Oz to SA. Check out the SA site http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/ContentServ...A&c=DFYPage Do you think Americans would buy it? How about as an F-100? The F-150 is a better truck and I bet it is cheaper to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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