got guns? Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 What is going on now ????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diecaster Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 What is going on now ????????? I heard they are going to make more concessions for jobs. One of the major concessions on the table is the right to strike and Ford also wants us to give up the right to make sweet love!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I heard they are going to make more concessions for jobs. One of the major concessions on the table is the right to strike and Ford also wants us to give up the right to make sweet love!!! yep, more concession coming, make sure you all vote yes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster6969 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 yep, more concession coming, make sure you all vote yes again. It never hurts to listen what the company has to say, but it is what they have to offer that should open our ears. Milan, Fusion, Zepher, Salaried reduction at a rate equal to industry average (35-1) and Mullalay working for $1 dollar. Our leaders better be coming up to D-town to let IUAW know that Ford can kiss our asses unless they have something to offer. Not broken promises either. If they offer us some vehicles for 2014 tell them to go piss up a tree, we need it now for our brothers and sisters to get off the street. Shove the No Strike Clause also!! I am sure that is their top priority, that will surely bust the UAW! Just say no to that clause!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtpworker1993 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 It never hurts to listen what the company has to say, but it is what they have to offer that should open our ears. Milan, Fusion, Zepher, Salaried reduction at a rate equal to industry average (35-1) and Mullalay working for $1 dollar. Our leaders better be coming up to D-town to let IUAW know that Ford can kiss our asses unless they have something to offer. Not broken promises either. If they offer us some vehicles for 2014 tell them to go piss up a tree, we need it now for our brothers and sisters to get off the street. Shove the No Strike Clause also!! I am sure that is their top priority, that will surely bust the UAW! Just say no to that clause!! Your right it never hurts to listen what the company wants but I still say vote NO on any more concessions! VOTE NO!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordguy61mi Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Why not say we won't strike and then if we want to, just do it? Just like they go against what they agree to in contracts. No big deal. *shrugs* We can say, "We're sorry but in this economic climate, we can't afford NOT to strike". Sound familiar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyfromSTAP Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I heard they are going to make more concessions for jobs. One of the major concessions on the table is the right to strike and Ford also wants us to give up the right to make sweet love!!! LMAO...sweet love outlawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown 00 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 LMAO...sweet love outlawed. That is funny. BUT Ford keeps wanting to play B.O.H.I.C.A. and we have to stand together and tell them hell no to concessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 I heard they are going to make more concessions for jobs. One of the major concessions on the table is the right to strike and Ford also wants us to give up the right to make sweet love!!! I told ya this was around the corner and this is why I keep posting this info.This is an attempt to organize the anti concession side. We are in a race to the bottom! Somebody has to start the fight against concessions! Why not Ford workers? We are Ford workers who fought against the last concessions and we are ready to fight against them again. Alan Mulally and other Ford executives have made it clear – they want more concessions from Ford workers. Just 2 months after Ford workers gave up major concessions, company executives are demanding more. They want the same concessions that GM and Chrysler got from the UAW. The concessions at GM and Chrysler matched the Ford contract, and went even further. GM and Chrysler retirees lose part of their medical coverage (dental and vision). But even more destructively to all autoworkers, the UAW leadership agreed to binding arbitration in the 2011 contract. They gave up the union’s right to strike. They gave an arbitrator the right to bring down our wages and benefits even further in 2011, to the level of the transplants, even as the transplants are preparing to lower THEIR wages and benefits. If it wasn’t clear to everyone before, it certainly should be now – concessions have nothing to do with the economy being bad. It’s clear that we can’t wait until the economy gets better and expect that the companies will give back what they have taken from us. The auto companies intend to keep taking concessions, again and again. They intend to take back all the gains that autoworkers have won over the past 70 years. But we are not ready to go back there. We work at the Dearborn Truck Plant and a few of us started a campaign against the last concessions and our plant voted “No” by 64%. We know workers in other Ford plants who also campaigned against the concessions and their plants voted “No” by more than 70% At least 9 Ford units or locals voted down the contract. If there were people in a few more Ford plants doing the same thing, the last contract could have been voted down. Now we have to get ready for when Ford comes after us again. We believe that autoworkers do not want to keep taking concessions after concessions. We think that concessions can be stopped. Somebody just has to take the first step and say “No!” If you agree and are ready to fight concessions, please get in touch with us. David Gelman Melvin Lofton Vinny C. Xenakis Jaime Lopez Kevin London Alonzo Pizana Joe Benjamin Bonnie Cook Monroe Edwards Vicki Hedy Johnnie Williams Gary Walkowicz, Dearborn Truck Plant Bargaining Committeeman Call Gary at (313) 737-3166; or email GWALK15@peoplepc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpmaster Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 It never hurts to listen what the company has to say, but it is what they have to offer that should open our ears. Milan, Fusion, Zepher, Salaried reduction at a rate equal to industry average (35-1) and Mullalay working for $1 dollar. Our leaders better be coming up to D-town to let IUAW know that Ford can kiss our asses unless they have something to offer. Not broken promises either. If they offer us some vehicles for 2014 tell them to go piss up a tree, we need it now for our brothers and sisters to get off the street. Shove the No Strike Clause also!! I am sure that is their top priority, that will surely bust the UAW! Just say no to that clause!! +1 Al & the gang want more concessions? We'll think about it IF: 1) Company agrees to move F/M/Z production to Wixom. That's right--- I said Wixom. The plant is still there, right? 2) ACH plants: no more sales or closures; made Ford again; all employees in ACH facilities converted to Ford employees---including salaried. 3) No more retiree concessions. None. Period. 4) Implement company-paid physicals and preventive healthcare. Flame away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 +1 Al & the gang want more concessions? We'll think about it IF: 1) Company agrees to move F/M/Z production to Wixom. That's right--- I said Wixom. The plant is still there, right? 2) ACH plants: no more sales or closures; made Ford again; all employees in ACH facilities converted to Ford employees---including salaried. 3) No more retiree concessions. None. Period. 4) Implement company-paid physicals and preventive healthcare. Flame away! that's kind of an oxymoronic statement, one more concession they want is less benefits for retirees like no vision and dental. well if we say no to that then we cant 'give' more concessions..... sorry pump.... but again i feel the majority will vote yes again, mainly cause they are all divided, and very selfish. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 that's kind of an oxymoronic statement, one more concession they want is less benefits for retirees like no vision and dental. The VEBA committee has the power to take that stuff away anyway once they oversee the trust fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 +1 Al & the gang want more concessions? We'll think about it IF: 1) Company agrees to move F/M/Z production to Wixom. That's right--- I said Wixom. The plant is still there, right? 2) ACH plants: no more sales or closures; made Ford again; all employees in ACH facilities converted to Ford employees---including salaried. 3) No more retiree concessions. None. Period. 4) Implement company-paid physicals and preventive healthcare. Flame away! WIXOM is closed, stop dreaming...............Move on in life!!! You may need to seek counseling if you can't accept that WIXOM is closed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Ford also wants us to give up the right to make sweet love!!! Ford wants to make sweet prison love to the UAW's behind. Will the membership bend over and take it again without a fight? History says yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 that's kind of an oxymoronic statement, one more concession they want is less benefits for retirees like no vision and dental.well if we say no to that then we cant 'give' more concessions..... sorry pump.... but again i feel the majority will vote yes again, mainly cause they are all divided, and very selfish. ?? Ford and the UAW can do whatever they want to retired workers.No vote rquired.When you retire your vote is also retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Ford and the UAW can do whatever they want to retired workers.No vote rquired.When you retire your vote is also retired. your right, but also, just because we can F**K them does not mean we SHOULD... because who is going to be next with wage cuts ? not salary, not the retirees. guess who ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 your right, but also, just because we can F**K them does not mean we SHOULD... because who is going to be next with wage cuts ? not salary, not the retirees. guess who ? I agree more concessions are coming.God give me a buyout I can take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I agree more concessions are coming.God give me a buyout I can take. i know, that is all i want too, there is nothing for the middle seniority people... awful... it is a never ending cycle.... vote yes! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 What is going on now ????????? I heard they are meeting about another buyout offer this time it would be $150,000 to anyone who wants it..They want to make room for the 2nd Tier workers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark270 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I heard they are meeting about another buyout offer this time it would be $150,000 to anyone who wants it..They want to make room for the 2nd Tier workers... yeah right, ...... rumurs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 If they reopen the contract, can we hold a strike authority vote like we do during a regular scheduled contract vote? Then toe the line if they refuse to bargain in good faith. Fact the company is profitable in every market now, and was only unprofitable in the US before this quarter. I know they were only profitable, because of one time occurrences, What will be said when they are also profitable next quarter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 If they reopen the contract, can we hold a strike authority vote like we do during a regular scheduled contract vote? Then toe the line if they refuse to bargain in good faith. Fact the company is profitable in every market now, and was only unprofitable in the US before this quarter. I know they were only profitable, because of one time occurrences, What will be said when they are also profitable next quarter? Want your job? Give concessions is what you will be told by the UAW and the company......Choice is yours unemployment line or a secure future!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Want your job? Give concessions is what you will be told by the UAW and the company......Choice is yours unemployment line or a secure future!! Like our retiree's secure future?.....lets not forget by the time most here are eligible to retire 2nd tier workers will be well in place, think they give a shit about our future ? If there really is serious talks of coming back for more, now is the time to make a stand, if not now we never will again and if that's the case I would prefer take my chances with another union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Like our retiree's secure future?.....lets not forget by the time most here are eligible to retire 2nd tier workers will be well in place, think they give a shit about our future ? If there really is serious talks of coming back for more, now is the time to make a stand, if not now we never will again and if that's the case I would prefer take my chances with another union. You can't put off whats going to come...............We all know wage cuts will be a major factor in the US plants getting new products in the 2011 contract talks!!!! I don't like them just as much as anyone else but we all know how the union plays ball now and its not in the employees favor its in the companys favor......So just get prepared to work for less or not to work at all............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 You can't put off whats going to come...............We all know wage cuts will be a major factor in the US plants getting new products in the 2011 contract talks!!!!I don't like them just as much as anyone else but we all know how the union plays ball now and its not in the employees favor its in the companys favor......So just get prepared to work for less or not to work at all............. Thank god those that came before us didn't just accept it !! I would say we are in the prime position at the bargaining tables next contract(or before if they choose to do so), a strike right now while Ford has so much to gain and even more to lose puts the chips in the workers favor currently. We can continue with prosperity gained by GM and Chrysler's downfall, or Ford can go down without the safety nets those two companies had. I prefer we continue on the path we are on but like I have already said the line needs to be drawn at some point, I know for a fact the workers have already done their part helping the company through the rough times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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