mustang_sallad Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Toyota was the big winner in C4C and Sept. is expected to be the 'payback' month for all that volume. Ah okay. But did you see the John McElroy post on Autoblog about the C4C tallies? Apparently the govt tallies divided model sales further into models with different drivetrains. If you group sales of FWD and AWD Escapes together for example, it becomes the second most popular C4C vehicle, while the FWD Escape specifically was only 10th. Top Clunker Sales According to DOT 1. Toyota Corolla 2. Honda Civic 3. Toyota Camry 4. Ford Focus FWD 5. Hyundai Elantra 6. Nissan Versa 7. Toyota Prius 8. Honda Accord 9. Honda Fit 10. Ford Escape FWD Top Clunker Sales According to Edmunds 1. Ford Focus 2. Ford Escape 3. Honda Civic 4. Ford F-150 5. Toyota Corolla 6. Toyota Camry 7. Honda CR-V 8. Chevrolet Silverado 9. Hyundai Elantra 10. Honda Accord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 With no significant improvements to the F-150 since the new body style was introduced over half a year ago, how did the F-150 post such good numbers for this month? I think it's a combination of a recovering economy in general, defections from GM and Dodge and C4C. Nothing says clunker like a really old truck (by the govt's definition, not mine) and most people with really old trucks are going to upgrade to a really new truck, especially if they can get $4500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shllshck Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think it's a combination of a recovering economy in general, defections from GM and Dodge and C4C. Nothing says clunker like a really old truck (by the govt's definition, not mine) and most people with really old trucks are going to upgrade to a really new truck, especially if they can get $4500. C4C definitely would be a factor considering the F-150 was one of the top clunkers turned in, I'm sure some of those F-150 owners upgraded to a new F-150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 They were still riding on good sales of their more fuel-efficient vehicles. I was suggesting that month to month they'll see a pretty significant decline--those Camry & Corolla numbers are not sustainable. Aug. was an all time record month for Toyota passenger cars. Is it perhaps negative perception of GM over the bankruptcy? Could be C4C combined with inventory problems for GM due to their two month shut down Ah okay. But did you see the John McElroy post on Autoblog about the C4C tallies? Did see that, and frankly don't know how to reconcile it with Toyota's sales figures. 54k Camry sales is a significant departure from their annualized sales rate--a departure greater than the total number of Escapes sold last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project-Fairmont Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 nice to see the venerable ranger doing so well again. just think how well a newly freshened ranger would sell, why ford forgot this truck is a absolute shame. my 98 with 210,000 miles is as strong as it ever was!!!!. thinking of buying a new one and would sure like to see a fresh faced ranger!!!!!! I only have 93k on mine...runs like new! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Panthers weren't available under C4C. And I'm sure droves of people would've run each other over to get to the dealer to buy a Panther had it been eligible.... :rolleyes: With no significant improvements to the F-150 since the new body style was introduced over half a year ago, how did the F-150 post such good numbers for this month? I know that the comparisson to last years numbers were facing a depressed truck market due to hangover from the high fuel prices, so that explains the overall percentage gain. How did it manage to outsell the Silverado and Sierra together as its been a long time since that has been a regular occurance. Looking at some of the differences, Silverado and Sierra offer bigger engines (in certain models) and better gas mileage (also in only certian models). How does the F-150 continue to outcompete GM in this area? Is it perhaps negative perception of GM over the bankruptcy? Along with the things other people have mentioned, I'd also add better inventory and therefore more configurations available at dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Nice catch on the pronunciation of the "Show". I still don't know what to call it, though... I figure it's like how a rapster pronounces "Fo Sho" (no dipthong on the "O") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Volvo isn't looking too bad either for August. The S 40, V 50 and C-30 did well. The XC 60 seems to have picked up the slack in SUVs and even the old S 60 is still selling. I don't recall seeing any Volvo C4C ads. Was the MKZ C4C eligible? It took a hit when Milan and Fusion were doing great. Hopefully, the arrival of the MKT will pump some life into Lincoln sales. Here's the full sales chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewfanGRB Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 I still can't over the pathetic numbers for the Tundra. Was Toyota serious when it really thought it was going to challenge the Detroit 3? The Ram had over 2x as many Tundras. I mean really--7xxx compared to the F-series, Silverado/Sierra or the Ram...it's not getting anywhere. I really think it's this: TRUCK buyers (that is, a person who buys a truck because they really need a TRUCK) isn't going to buy a Tundra. And Toyota buyers (any person who buys a car to have a car to get to work, wants it to be reliable, built well, last long) isn't buying a truck of any kind anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkarlo Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 It's a scandal they should have never been allowed in the US C4C program. Chrysler, Ford, & GM continue to get shafted reamed up the arse by 127.77 MILLION Japanese consumers every month with just 632 Big 3 sales in Japan last month it stinks they are taking the piss. Stop it already, the Japanese car market is terrible, and it's better that Ford stays away. If I could read a annual report, I would be a better guy to explain this to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Stop it already, the Japanese car market is terrible, and it's better that Ford stays away. If I could read a annual report, I would be a better guy to explain this to you. Gotta say l can't wait for your explanation... Likewise, maybe Toyota, Honda & Nissan should stayed away from the US last year has been tough as well Stateside. Annual Report 127.77 million Japanese consumers buying habits of Big 3 cars 2008... LINK Please would you supply me with a list of the top 10 best selling cars with sales numbers in Japan for the year 2008, l would like to see how many cars are not Japanese in your top 10, arigato. We can then compare your top 10 sales in Japan for 2008 who have 127.77 million consumers, with my tiny island the UK top 10 in 2008 who are having a much harder time than you are at the moment elkarlo. Some times l don't know why Ford bothers with us in the UK we only have under half the population of your country, we have just 61 million consumers here in the UK. Big 3 car sales in Japan July 2009 (Consumers - 127.77 million) Ford 254 Jeep 87 Dodge 79 Chrysler 65 Cadillac 58 Chevrolet 50 Hummer 36 GMC 3 Japanese auto sales in the US August 2008 Toyota 225,088 Honda 161,439 Nissan 105,312 I am neutral here, and l think your fellow countrymen are taking the piss. This is not what l would call free trade Elkarlo. Edited September 3, 2009 by Ford Jellymoulds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 Gotta say l can't wait for your explanation... Likewise, maybe Toyota, Honda & Nissan should stayed away from the US last year has been tough as well Stateside. Annual Report 127.77 million Japanese consumers buying habits of Big 3 cars 2008... LINK Please would you supply me with a list of the top 10 best selling cars with sales numbers in Japan for the year 2008, l would like to see how many cars are not Japanese in your top 10, arigato. We can then compare your top 10 sales in Japan for 2008 who have 127.77 million consumers, with my tiny island the UK top 10 in 2008 who are having a much harder time than you are at the moment elkarlo. Some times l don't know why Ford bothers with us in the UK we only have under half the population of your country, we have just 61 million consumers here in the UK. Big 3 car sales in Japan July 2009 (Consumers - 127.77 million) Ford 254 Jeep 87 Dodge 79 Chrysler 65 Cadillac 58 Chevrolet 50 Hummer 36 GMC 3 Japanese auto sales in the US August 2008 Toyota 225,088 Honda 161,439 Nissan 105,312 I am neutral here, and l think your fellow countrymen are taking the piss. This is not what l would call free trade Elkarlo. ENOUGH FJ, you've posted the same numbers a million times on several different threads. We get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkarlo Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Gotta say l can't wait for your explanation... Likewise, maybe Toyota, Honda & Nissan should stayed away from the US last year has been tough as well Stateside. Annual Report 127.77 million Japanese consumers buying habits of Big 3 cars 2008... LINK Please would you supply me with a list of the top 10 best selling cars with sales numbers in Japan for the year 2008, l would like to see how many cars are not Japanese in your top 10, arigato. We can then compare your top 10 sales in Japan for 2008 who have 127.77 million consumers, with my tiny island the UK top 10 in 2008 who are having a much harder time than you are at the moment elkarlo. Some times l don't know why Ford bothers with us in the UK we only have under half the population of your country, we have just 61 million consumers here in the UK. Big 3 car sales in Japan July 2009 (Consumers - 127.77 million) Ford 254 Jeep 87 Dodge 79 Chrysler 65 Cadillac 58 Chevrolet 50 Hummer 36 GMC 3 Japanese auto sales in the US August 2008 Toyota 225,088 Honda 161,439 Nissan 105,312 I am neutral here, and l think your fellow countrymen are taking the piss. This is not what l would call free trade Elkarlo. Ok I am going to make a new thread. BTW I am not Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 And I'm sure droves of people would've run each other over to get to the dealer to buy a Panther had it been eligible.... :rolleyes: I never said it would send droves of people after them, but they not only got no benefit from C4C, they got dinged for not even being an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I never said it would send droves of people after them, but they not only got no benefit from C4C, they got dinged for not even being an option. ok, whatever you say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangman9494 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 to much time wasted on comparing numbers with the japanese if the big three can sell their cars with the discounts of the cfc,in real time then we can compete with them. lets face it people price point is THE MAIN REASON our native car companies can,t compete in some pricing areas. until the big three can win over first time buyers with a car that they can afford!! dollars and cents dollars and cents .....my first dealer bought car was an 83 escort i think i paid 5900 hundred for it. of course i know about times changing but look at what the japanese can offer not to mention the koreans, and who cares if they are junk and they are throwaways( junkyarsd are full of them), people buy em cause they are cheap and last the five or six years that the first time buyer owns them for. naturally they trade up to the same manufacturer who gave them that reliable service those five or six years. see what i mean????it,s that opening price point car that is getting the big three with new buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 to much time wasted on comparing numbers with the japanese if the big three can sell their cars with the discounts of the cfc,in real time then we can compete with them. lets face it people price point is THE MAIN REASON our native car companies can,t compete in some pricing areas. until the big three can win over first time buyers with a car that they can afford!! dollars and cents dollars and cents .....my first dealer bought car was an 83 escort i think i paid 5900 hundred for it. of course i know about times changing but look at what the japanese can offer not to mention the koreans, and who cares if they are junk and they are throwaways( junkyarsd are full of them), people buy em cause they are cheap and last the five or six years that the first time buyer owns them for. naturally they trade up to the same manufacturer who gave them that reliable service those five or six years. see what i mean????it,s that opening price point car that is getting the big three with new buyers. ????? Sooo... You just think the big three should just lower the price of their cars by $4,500 all the time? WTF??? You're cut off. Price out a Focus and a Civic, and tell me who's charging more. Dumbest post of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Dumbest post of the month. Hmmm, never heard of that award.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 ????? Sooo... You just think the big three should just lower the price of their cars by $4,500 all the time? WTF??? You're cut off. Price out a Focus and a Civic, and tell me who's charging more. Dumbest post of the month. oh I dunno, another poster on another is WAHHHING about Fords bumpers because he smashes into trees and does damage!!!!!!!!! Guess I called him out somewhere and now he has issues w me....LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 In the immortal words of Edward Gibbon: Should I persevere in the same course, should I observe the same measure, a prolix and slender thread would be spun through many a volume, nor would the patient reader find an adequate reward of instruction or amusement. Thus, this topic is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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