whiteford Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Does anyone have a total number of trades that will be put on for the second shift at CAP and CSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Worker 1994 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Very good question !!!! There are several tradespeople that are working in production here in S.E. Michigan. I don't know if any of them are willing to move to Chicago. If anybody have any info on what trades they(Chicago) be needing, that would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEX4398 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I am tool and die working as temp. production at AAI. I would hope any trade offerings at CAP would go to tradesmen who are working production. I am afraid this ugly temp. situation will somehow come back and bite the 100 or so tradesmen working prod. at AAI or any where for that matter. Get us back to our tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinohio Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I am tool and die working as temp. production at AAI. I would hope any trade offerings at CAP would go to tradesmen who are working production. I am afraid this ugly temp. situation will somehow come back and bite the 100 or so tradesmen working prod. at AAI or any where for that matter. Get us back to our tools. . The way I understand it, that cannot hire any of the lower tiered workers as long as we are on ILO, I hope the International will make them stick to that. Eventually they will have to bite the bullet and get us all placed. Chicago sounds like just the place to do it at. Ask all of them, then force if not enough sign up. Then they can hire the lower tiered workers. Just my opinion, but i think it will work out. :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 . The way I understand it, that cannot hire any of the lower tiered workers as long as we are on ILO, I hope the International will make them stick to that. Eventually they will have to bite the bullet and get us all placed. Chicago sounds like just the place to do it at. Ask all of them, then force if not enough sign up. Then they can hire the lower tiered workers. Just my opinion, but i think it will work out. :happy feet: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn4 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. If you win the bid, you are the one thats going to be moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tool&dyin in monroe Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 If you win the bid, you are the one thats going to be moving. The only way you stay is if you are forced to CAP then you can bump low man ...if you sign ,like the man said, YOU GO !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. A slight but significant difference in your comment..... Your version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. My version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we do not accept the posting we do not have to move out-of-zone, but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 A slight but significant difference in your comment..... Your version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. My version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we do not accept the posting we do not have to move out-of-zone, but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. I just had that paper in my hands two days ago and now it walked off. I'm sure it's not far. We are aon the same page and I'm sure it will be stickey for all people moving, especially the first two. I'm surprised how many people did not read the entire paper before voting. I guess they never think anything will ever come around and bite them in the ass. By screwing so many people out of JEN nothing was ever pointed at them. They and their family was safe forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) A slight but significant difference in your comment..... Your version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we win the bid we do not have to move out of zone but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. My version: According to the last contract agreement we voted on in March of 2009. The one that got rid of JEN. If a job opens up outside of our zone and we are able to bid on it (because of not enough in zone responce) we can bid. If we do not accept the posting we do not have to move out-of-zone, but the lowest person in that trade and our zone must move and fill that position and we fill the one the youngest tradesman vacated. Who is this Jen person we got rid of ?do not recall ever hearing from her. But seriously GEN was replaced in 2007 with JSP which was partially destroyed in the March modifications agreement. There is an actual copy of the modifications language concerning what you guys are discussing here, unfortunately I can not figure out how to post it. However if you go to this site UAW/Ford Fanatics Forums in order to view the sections with the language you will need to be vouched for (to ensure only union friendly people are allowed to view certain subjects), I would happily vouch for you guys so you may see the actual language for yourselves. Edited February 3, 2010 by lquidspine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I just had that paper in my hands two days ago and now it walked off. I'm sure it's not far. We are aon the same page and I'm sure it will be stickey for all people moving, especially the first two. I'm surprised how many people did not read the entire paper before voting. I guess they never think anything will ever come around and bite them in the ass. By screwing so many people out of JEN nothing was ever pointed at them. They and their family was safe forever. I found it. The modification we all voted for and was passed in March has this section. ONE OUT OF ZONE JOB OFFER After the existing hierarchy is completed, employees on layoff have three options: A) accept an out-ofzone placement; B) be dropped from pay and benefits with recall rights only; C)bump the low seniority employee in zone who is working (in Michigan, zones 1 and 2 will be combined for this actiononly) If option C is elected, the low-seniority working employee in zone must accept out-of-town placement or be dropped from the rolls with only recall rights. Low-seniority skilled employees on layoff after hierarachy is exhausted for non-skilled openings in-zone may be forced to accept the non-skilled opportunity in-zone or be dropped from the rolls with recall rights only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordd Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Don't forget there are probably trades that are working production or on ILO in Chicago that would have first dibs on these jobs. When they went from 2 shifts to 1, most probably went back to production, so in reality there may not be that many trade openings. It would be nice to know how many trades have recall rights at CAP and the stamping plant... Edited February 3, 2010 by fordd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Don't forget there are probably trades that are working production or on ILO in Chicago that would have first dibs on these jobs. When they went from 2 shifts to 1, most probably went back to production, so in reality there may not be that many trade openings. It would be nice to know how many trades have recall rights at CAP and the stamping plant... It would be nice to know what our own standings are as far as seniority in our own trade. With this last round of buy outs we may just see some of that out of zone bumping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDTRANSMAN Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 It would be nice to know what our own standings are as far as seniority in our own trade. With this last round of buy outs we may just see some of that out of zone bumping Ya that would be nice. I know I was told by Int'l that a list would be made available. A year later and still no list available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 . The way I understand it, that cannot hire any of the lower tiered workers as long as we are on ILO, but if you pass up or turn down the opp. to go and they still need people,porduction or trades..........you see where this is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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