akirby Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 That seems a bit high. I think 150k is closer to the mark. Looks like 166k in 2007 was the highest. Still more than enough to justify a dedicated platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 fixed Excuse me, but you don't know what you are talking about. The jobs will be lost. No new BOF vehicles will be built, therefore the jobs the people preform building, welding, and painting the frames will be gone for good. If you knew anything about how a car was screwed together you would know that the body shop pretty much preforms the same task whether you are building a unit body vehicle or a framed vehicle. Therefore the jobs are GONE. Any vehicle that might be assembled to pick up the slack of the lost Panther vehicles, whether it is Taurus, Transit Connect, Explorer, or Interceptor, will be preformed by people already working at other plants. Put my post back the way it was and stop presuming to know what you think you know, but don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Excuse me, but you don't know what you are talking about. The jobs will be lost. No new BOF vehicles will be built, therefore the jobs the people preform building, welding, and painting the frames will be gone for good. If you knew anything about how a car was screwed together you would know that the body shop pretty much preforms the same task whether you are building a unit body vehicle or a framed vehicle. Therefore the jobs are GONE. Any vehicle that might be assembled to pick up the slack of the lost Panther vehicles, whether it is Taurus, Transit Connect, Explorer, or Interceptor, will be preformed by people already working at other plants. Put my post back the way it was and stop presuming to know what you think you know, but don't. Im willing bet that they will be transfered to another plant just like the 2nd shift at Flatrock was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Im willing bet that they will be transfered to another plant just like the 2nd shift at Flatrock was. They will be absorbed into the Rouge complex if no new work is put into the Frame plant. Doesn't change the fact that those jobs are gone for good, and you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 They will be absorbed into the Rouge complex if no new work is put into the Frame plant. Doesn't change the fact that those jobs are gone for good, and you don't know what the hell you are talking about. The jobs are gone but the people who had the jobs still have jobs? And you say HE doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? WTF?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 The jobs are gone but the people who had the jobs still have jobs? And you say HE doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? WTF?? They will bump low seniority out of thier jobs at the Engine, Stamping, and Truck plant. There will be no more frames constructed at the Rouge site. The low seniority will be moved to other plants as they need people but the total number employed at the Rouge, and FMC in general, will be lower. Seriously, is this too hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 They will bump low seniority out of thier jobs at the Engine, Stamping, and Truck plant. There will be no more frames constructed at the Rouge site. The low seniority will be moved to other plants as they need people but the total number employed at the Rouge, and FMC in general, will be lower. Seriously, is this too hard to understand? Sounds logical. Do you think Ford would approach people with less seniority to take a redundancy pay out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) There going to be built in Argentina...how about that? Argentina gets the Mondeo, S-Max, Kuga, and soon the Transit from your side of the pond so it would be more than fair. Ford are an American company for Godsake 1st No1 perk of the job should you build every thing for the North American market in Detroit. Everything Ford of Europe make is built in Europe bar the Ranger. We sold 70,000 European made Fiesta's in Europe in March, if Ford had said we are are going to save a few dimes by building them in Thialand or South Africa do you honestly think Ford would have sold 70,000 Fiesta's here? It would have been closer to 3,000. Why does Ford hate Americans so much and don't produce the Fiesta & Fusion Stateside your not a Mexican company, why can't Ford work together with the unions to facilitate find out and do what it would take to make Fusion/Fiesta production viable on a greenfield site Stateside. Fusions sister the Mondeo has plants all over the place in Europe producing next to nothing for FOE, so why can't you have one plant in Mexico for South Americans & one plant in North American that rewards American Fusion buyers with American jobs - erm you are an American company are you not? Edited July 15, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Why does Ford hate Americans so much and don't produce the Fiesta & Fusion Stateside your not a Mexican company, why can't Ford work together with the unions to facilitate find out and do what it would take to make Fusion/Fiesta production viable on a greenfield site Stateside. Apart from those two, all other volume products made by Ford North America come from US or Canadian factories -when you look at sales numbers, that is more than satisfactory. Edited July 15, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Unless there is work insourced, about 500 jobs will be lost. The jobs will be lost.............Therefore the jobs are GONE. They will be absorbed into the Rouge complex if no new work is put into the Frame plant. So which is it? Will the employees be absorbed into the Rouge complex or are the jobs GONE? Even you can't make up your mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 So which is it? Will the employees be absorbed into the Rouge complex or are the jobs GONE? Even you can't make up your mind. Ah, the difference is perception of Jobs Pioneer's point is "Jobs" = Available work to be done by employees, frame plant is closing those jobs will be gone. Others - "Jobs" = Employees, frame plant employees transferred to other locations within company. Plants are closing, the available number of jobs is being reduced but employees are being kept/transferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uvls16 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Well, while I agree that it kind of fills the current niche that the Town Car has in the retail market, I think that the Town Car lost its way and really should have been appealing to a more aspiring audience than either it or the MKT currently does. So in that sense, I'm talking a more legitimate "flagship"-type vehicle as its replacement. Perhaps the MKS could evolve into that, but it's not there yet either. Just think if Messers Mulally & Fields had enough vision to put the 3 valve 4.6 liter engine in the Grand Marquis and the 3 valve 5.4 liter engine in the Town Car. They would have had buyers lined up at the dealerships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Just think if Messers Mulally & Fields had enough vision to put the 3 valve 4.6 liter engine in the Grand Marquis and the 3 valve 5.4 liter engine in the Town Car. They would have had buyers lined up at the dealerships. :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Just think if Messers Mulally & Fields had enough vision to put the 3 valve 4.6 liter engine in the Grand Marquis and the 3 valve 5.4 liter engine in the Town Car. They would have had buyers lined up at the dealerships. Uhh yeah. Because the lack of power is the only reason people stopped buying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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