mettech Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) Channel 13 News WTHR from Indy.. By Bob Segall From Indiana to Capitol Hill, thousands of people are now weighing in on a WTHR investigation exposing a tax loophole worth billions for undocumented workers. But what, if anything, can be done about it? INDIANAPOLIS - Congressman Dan Burton (R – Ind) is frustrated – very frustrated – after learning the details of an Eyewitness News investigation. "Why in the world are we doing this?" he asked. "Are you kidding me? The cost to the American tax payer is huge!" The veteran lawmaker is responding to what 13 Investigates discovered all across Indiana: illegal immigrants getting big tax refunds from the Internal Revenue Service thanks to a loophole in federal law. MORE: Tax loophole costs billions The loophole allows undocumented workers to collect what's called an additional child tax credit. The credit – up to $1,000 per child – can be claimed even by families who pay nothing in taxes, in many cases resulting in a cash payment from the IRS. It is intended for working families with children who live in the same home. But a local tax preparer came to Eyewitness News to blow the whistle on millions of people who, he believes, are taking advantage of the system. He says many illegal immigrants are claiming the tax credit for children who've never lived in this country, and he showed 13 Investigates dozens of redacted tax returns to prove his point. http://www.wthr.com/...egal-immigrants# Edited April 28, 2012 by mettech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) Think about the children; their children, not your children. Edited April 28, 2012 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 "The credit – up to $1,000 per child – can be claimed even by families who pay nothing in taxes" Seems to me that this would mean that they would be filling out application forms with their names and addresses. So, with this information, picking up "undocumented" workers who do this should be quite easy. What's Homeland Security's budget these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) "The credit – up to $1,000 per child – can be claimed even by families who pay nothing in taxes" Seems to me that this would mean that they would be filling out application forms with their names and addresses. So, with this information, picking up "undocumented" workers who do this should be quite easy. What's Homeland Security's budget these days? Watch the video.. Edited April 29, 2012 by mettech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) ITIN Numbers allow undocumented workers to claim tax credits for their Children in USA and,,, in Mexico...WTF????? One house in Indiana, four extra families claiming benefits for 20 children who do not live in the USA, IRS sent them a check for $29,000, the IRS does know what's going on but does nothing to stop it. Watch Video 2 million undocumented workers receiving tax benefits.... Edited April 28, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Obama will do nothing about this other than send ACORN to register the whole bunch of them to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn4 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Obama will do nothing about this other than send ACORN to register the whole bunch of them to vote. What Do you think Obama should do? Looks like maybe congress should close the loop hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Ljc, you post more red herring responses than anyone on these forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 The program was created in 1996 for the purpose of tax filing of individuals without a social security account number. Receiving an ITIN number does not in itself confer the right to work and receive income in the United States.[3] In 2006 1.4 million people used ITIN when filing taxes. Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the Department of Homeland Security, assuring unauthorized aliens that the tax information will be confidential and will not be used to initiate removal procedures.[4][5] ITINs are also used by real estate brokers to facilitate mortgages for unauthorized aliens.[6] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Start reading Imma's screeds. 15 different points, none of them about the thread. Deflect much? He hasn't even posted in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goinbroke2 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Deflect much? He hasn't even posted in this thread. LOL! so much humour from such a sad thread. If Americans could only see where their tax dollars go and then have the nuts to demand it stopped....but no, if the Gov spent too much, they just ask for more tax money...from the rich...or the 43% still paying taxes anyway. So sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Start reading Imma's screeds. 15 different points, none of them about the thread. Here is another SCREED for you------>geeze, after reading the start of this thread, how can anyone complain about fairness.............lololol........or worry about how much a naturalized American gets by income, when they are giving away money to illegals? If I am parked illegally, I get a ticket. If I am speeding and am caught, I get one too. If I ignore my taxes, I am illegal, and if someone breaks into any of our homes and steals something from us, if discovered, they will be arrested. But, on the other hand, if I cross the border without proper papers; or even if I have proper papers but the time limit runs out for me to stay..........I am protected by politicians, I steal from the American taxpayer because idiotic policys allow me to do so eventhough America is broke, I vote every chance I get when I shouldn't to keep said idiotic policys in place so I can get my politically correct fairshare, whenever a state trys to put things back in kilter.....no less then federal government led by the President of the United States will sue them and try and protect me while demonizing another branch of government called the supreme court, California is now run into the ground between us and the economy, and soon if some have their way we will look more like Europe and get more free stuff. What a country!!!! I suppose what I really want to know is-------->can left and right please debate over what to do with the money we do have, instead of debating over what to do with the money we have left, after we gave away a big chunk to illegal people who have no business getting it in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 These are red herrings. Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 (edited) These are red herrings. Actually, they all have one thing in common, they are ILLEGAL. Maybe if you can change their name from illegal alien, to unknown visitor from another country, we would not be so upset. The bottomline is---------->it is either illegal, or it is not. If it is, this means prosecution if caught, unless of course someone needs votes, right, lol! Obama was absolutely, positively correct on one of his promises; this I have to admit. He proclaimed this would be the most transparent administration ever, and he was right. Virtually all of us can see right through you guys with all your smoke/mirrors, and we don't even need x-ray vision to do it, hehehehehehehehe. Edited May 2, 2012 by Imawhosure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The quintessential Obama blast from Imma. LOL! Hey, I complimented the guy for being totally honest about it all being transparent, and you suggest I am blasting him. Is there no pleasing you-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 LOL! You got that half right, you are not a conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Liberal makes gay slur joke. LOL! The irony is priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 No! I'm not easily swayed by bullshit remarks thus I'm not a conservative. No, but you are getting much better at avoiding threads that liberals have no chance of winning; which is most of them, but just as I would, you choose the ones you have the best chance of keeping at bay. You really are very transparent. The best chance of your side winning is to keep your mouth closed and avoid proof that your liberal nonsense is just......well....nonsense, lol. Nowhere would you want to bring up where.........from the time your guys have started to exert control in January of 2007, we have gone into the the septic tank; and from that time, they have exerted more control over the 3 branches en total, and things have gotten worse. In fact, at one time, they controlled all 3 of them.....but magically could not produce a budget, but as usual, the economy is still in the tank. In my book, (which doesn't count for anyone but me, or those who want to weigh the odds) you have 47% of the populace not paying taxes, and who 90% of them will never vote for a tax increase for themselves. This means that more than likely, it is almost automatic that 39 to 42% of the voters will put their vote on the side of the democrats to keep their tax 0; or keep more money coming to their checkbooks than they ever paid into the system because of the low income tax credit. Maybe it is stupidity on our part. Maybe it is thinking America has had enough of YOUR FAILED policys. Maybe it is the UNfairness you propose, dressed as fairness. Maybe it is our realization that sending our lazu kids to college to learn KEYNESIAN economics that don't work is a waste of our money. Maybe it is the hope that all of you go to Cuba if Obama loses, and take Hollyweird with you. Or maybe that most people are no longer confused, and have come to the realization that you are all as full of sh## as a Christmas Turkey. One thing is for sure though, even with all your non taxpayers behind you-) That tells all of us we don't have to convince anyone of you, just prove to those on the fence that you are full of crap. To people who actually think and use past growth instead of promisory growth under the KEYNESIAN economic theory, it is all easy. I am not here to convince 1 liberal......non taxpaying person to change their vote Daddy. In fact, most of us have already counted them into the equation. It is those who don't know what to think that matters; the ones who will throw Obama out-) We are winning because the past proves our debate points. Romney is now winning by 7 in the independents, and it is going to grow-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imawhosure Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Imma, There is more to heaven and earth than in your theories. You seem to go through things with your eyes and mind closed to anything other than what you think is happening. Your the type of person the stupid talking points commercials are aimed at by both parties. There is a disconnect from the larger world and you only see what's been boiled down to a single point. It's really too bad. but I will take a moment to answer your charges. 1. The economic crisis was in the works for years and there is little that could be done to stop the correction and the eventual wall street crisis. I believe that Bush's policies added to the devastating effects, but it wasn't his election nor the democrats of 2006 that caused it. 2. You don't have 47 precent of people not paying taxes. You have 47 percent not paying INCOME tax. They are subject to other federal taxes and fees. 3. Prove that Keynesian economics don't work. Not anecdotal, but quantifiable large scale evidence. Should i mention here that the Eurozone is likely seeing a double dip recession as speculated they would when they adopted austerity measures. So please by all means continue to view everything in your myopic way. It doesn't really matter. Personally, I like number 3, lol. What you forgot to mention is------------>non of the measures have yet to go into effect. Before they could, the French and Greeks had those people thrown out. BUT, we see that France has a new leader. He has said he will not impose the austerity measures, he will raise the tax on the rich, and he will spend, spend, and spend more. All of our illustrious media has verified that he came in as a socialist, is a socialist, and ran as a socialist. Now then, who/whom do we know in THIS country doing exactly the same thing almost verbatim!!!! I will tell all of you what, I know that it is a very, very, vary hard question for those who studied Keynisian economics, so I will give you 3 guesses, and the 1st 2 don't count-) Our current administration can call themselves martians if they like; and anytime we brand them as what they really are, our leftie friends on here do the politically correct thing to make it go away, and try and ignore it so it won't be spoken in mixed company. (mixed company = independents and those on the fence, lol) But when your own media proclaims that virtually the EXACT SAME policys were put forth by a SOCIALIST, and the POLICYS ARE SOCIALIST; then we must go back to NON politically correct logical thinking that has always worked, and say---------->if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.......guess what, it's a duck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) . Edited May 10, 2012 by retro-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) I'm not afraid of the word "socialist". Not at all. I think Nordic socialism worked - and is working - very well. Norway (for instance) is 4 slots ahead of us in per-capita GDP ranking, and ahead of us in life expectancy, educational attainment, and a host of other measures, after 6 decades of their "ruinous" socialist policies. A recent TED speaker said "If you want to live the American Dream, move to Denmark." We, on the other hand, elect a messiah (I'm talking about Reagan here), who teaches the great unwashed to blame the government for all their problems (i.e. creating an enemy to rally to power against), and institutes supply-side economic and tax policies (or at least the ideology of such policies - it has been pointed out that Reagan cut taxes once, and raised them 7 times - but the ideology kicked in with a vengeance, aided by an ideologically charged congress and extra-curricular help from the likes of Norquist, in the 4 Presidencies following his) and what have we got 30 years later? We've slipped from number one in nearly every ranking we use to measure national wellbeing, to number 11 in per capita GDP, number 12 in secondary education, number 50 in life expectancy at birth (the most shameful fall - and one that has everything to do with our health care - snort - "system" that the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail not to do anything about), and all sorts of other measures. It takes a tremendous amount of selective amnesia (or youth and naivete) to ignore the facts on tax rates and the shifting political and economic sentiments over the last 30 years (let me put it more succinctly: to ignore that the country has moved far to the right in ways that bear directly on the economy), and it takes a tremendous amount of cognitive disconnect not to see the correlation between those and our national wellbeing. The girlie-screaming hysteria from the right over the boogie-man specter of "Socialism" only makes you look ridiculous. The US is in the process of being eclipsed both by China, and by the EU - where social (i.e. socialist) institutions such as national health care are the universal norm. If there is anything to get hysterical about, it is the very real - indeed imminent prospect of American downfall, and the uncertainty of what will lie ahead. Y'all may think that every man for himself is the way to go. I rather agree with the sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin: "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Edited May 10, 2012 by retro-man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadBflo Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Looks like you killed the post. No one party or one "side" has it right. Every leader and all representatives before now have shown good ideas, bad ideas, ideas taken too far, ideas not taken far enough, etc. Talking about parties or sides instead of individual ideas or voting according to (or against) those sides keeps up stuck in kindergarten social structures and leave many looking like kindergarteners. If a person cannot list at least a few things someone else is doing well they are dishonest (or delusional) and not worth listening to. There are many examples of "socialism" done right and wrong. Same goes for capitalism. Same goes for dictatorships. It has more to do with the character of those involved in the process and who they are truly looking out for. In the end, all involve humans leaving any system vulnerable to abuse and mismanagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 I'm not afraid of the word "socialist". Not at all. I think Nordic socialism worked - and is working - very well. Norway (for instance) is 4 slots ahead of us in per-capita GDP ranking, and ahead of us in life expectancy, educational attainment, and a host of other measures, after 6 decades of their "ruinous" socialist policies. A recent TED speaker said "If you want to live the American Dream, move to Denmark." We, on the other hand, elect a messiah (I'm talking about Reagan here), who teaches the great unwashed to blame the government for all their problems (i.e. creating an enemy to rally to power against), and institutes supply-side economic and tax policies (or at least the ideology of such policies - it has been pointed out that Reagan cut taxes once, and raised them 7 times - but the ideology kicked in with a vengeance, aided by an ideologically charged congress and extra-curricular help from the likes of Norquist, in the 4 Presidencies following his) and what have we got 30 years later? We've slipped from number one in nearly every ranking we use to measure national wellbeing, to number 11 in per capita GDP, number 12 in secondary education, number 50 in life expectancy at birth (the most shameful fall - and one that has everything to do with our health care - snort - "system" that the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail not to do anything about), and all sorts of other measures. It takes a tremendous amount of selective amnesia (or youth and naivete) to ignore the facts on tax rates and the shifting political and economic sentiments over the last 30 years (let me put it more succinctly: to ignore that the country has moved far to the right in ways that bear directly on the economy), and it takes a tremendous amount of cognitive disconnect not to see the correlation between those and our national wellbeing. The girlie-screaming hysteria from the right over the boogie-man specter of "Socialism" only makes you look ridiculous. The US is in the process of being eclipsed both by China, and by the EU - where social (i.e. socialist) institutions such as national health care are the universal norm. If there is anything to get hysterical about, it is the very real - indeed imminent prospect of American downfall, and the uncertainty of what will lie ahead. Y'all may think that every man for himself is the way to go. I rather agree with the sentiment voiced by Benjamin Franklin: "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Yes I do... and I expect the others to pull their weight too. BTW... How much of a "melting pot" is Demark...lol.... A fat, lazy, bum should not be getting any of my money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Disagree with you - but love that clip. More than a grain of truth in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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