Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

You've been here long enough to no what and when i disagree with the DNC, but your usually too worried about whether i disagree with you.

 

I tell you all the time that i am merely the counterpoint. Why do you think i come here where there virtually no other liberals. If i wanted to engage in nuanced points i wouldn't be debating it with blackhorse, who just employs this one size be all reaganesq welfare queen propaganda, blaming liberals and welfare for violence and issues that are due more to education, economic mobility and opportunity than any single government program.

 

Or we could here about how Chicago's south side homicide issues are solved by concealed carry when it's not like there is a lack of concealed firearms on the south side.

Squirm if you want.

 

How about taking point on such an issue of the DNC and Gun Grabbers instead of responding to our dissertations.

 

You offer rebuttal to our posts but you don't take the lead on criticizing those "left wing gun-grabbing nuts". Just excuses for them.

[Langston Hughes]

Squirm if you want.

 

How about taking point on such an issue of the DNC and Gun Grabbers instead of responding to our dissertations.

 

You offer rebuttal to our posts but you don't take the lead on criticizing those "left wing gun-grabbing nuts". Just excuses for them.

 

Here just for you.

 

While I find no use for them, assault rifles are not worth banning.

 

Enjoy.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Here just for you.

 

While I find no use for them, assault rifles are not worth banning.

 

Enjoy.

And one for you.

While I have no use for one, I refuse to ban other lawful citizens right to own as many as they want.

 

 

See, I sometime defend rights I have no personal interest in using, but just because "I" don't need/want/use it doesn't mean it should be eliminated or limited.

You attempt to intimidate me with charges of "paranoia" when none exists. Just as I defend your right to "not" use an assault rifle, I also defend your right to use one.

 

However, which is better.....not having an assault weapon when you need it...or not needing the assault weapon you have.

 

 

And if you had access to an assault weapon while standing in the hallway at Sandy Hook, would you pick it up to defend those children....even if possession would have been a felony?

 

 

I'll wait here for the yes or no answer. (expecting a LONG wait).

[Langston Hughes]

And one for you.

While I have no use for one, I refuse to ban other lawful citizens right to own as many as they want.

 

 

See, I sometime defend rights I have no personal interest in using, but just because "I" don't need/want/use it doesn't mean it should be eliminated or limited.

You attempt to intimidate me with charges of "paranoia" when none exists. Just as I defend your right to "not" use an assault rifle, I also defend your right to use one.

 

However, which is better.....not having an assault weapon when you need it...or not needing the assault weapon you have.

 

 

And if you had access to an assault weapon while standing in the hallway at Sandy Hook, would you pick it up to defend those children....even if possession would have been a felony?

 

 

I'll wait here for the yes or no answer. (expecting a LONG wait).

 

Fired,

if you asking if i'm going to pick up random weapons during some sort of firefight, then you've been playing video games too much.

 

If only i could get you to work on things that are important, instead of defending things that aren't. Guess world hungry isn't going to get cured any time soon while your busy defending the right to have firearms.

 

My answer to your theoretical is that i'm more inclined to start looking to evacuate the building than going to hunt down someone. It's been a long time since I've been involved in any sort of tactical situation and despite the reassurances about never forgetting after 20+ years my infantry training isn't at the forefront of my brain anymore.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Fired,

if you asking if i'm going to pick up random weapons during some sort of firefight, then you've been playing video games too much.

 

If only i could get you to work on things that are important, instead of defending things that aren't. Guess world hungry isn't going to get cured any time soon while your busy defending the right to have firearms.

 

My answer to your theoretical is that i'm more inclined to start looking to evacuate the building than going to hunt down someone. It's been a long time since I've been involved in any sort of tactical situation and despite the reassurances about never forgetting after 20+ years my infantry training isn't at the forefront of my brain anymore.

Evasion is your answer. While you are looking for exits, the gunman is murdering children. The event took less than 12 minutes. How many lives are lost in your search?

 

My answer? Even if the weapon was unloaded. it would have served as a bludgeon.

 

Thanks for defending the helpless.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Fired,

if you asking if i'm going to pick up random weapons during some sort of firefight, then you've been playing video games too much.

 

If only i could get you to work on things that are important, instead of defending things that aren't. Guess world hungry isn't going to get cured any time soon while your busy defending the right to have firearms.

 

My answer to your theoretical is that i'm more inclined to start looking to evacuate the building than going to hunt down someone. It's been a long time since I've been involved in any sort of tactical situation and despite the reassurances about never forgetting after 20+ years my infantry training isn't at the forefront of my brain anymore.

I am not going to get into a p*ssing contest about who gave more or, "I gave such and such to this and that charity" as it diminishes the true charity spirit in which I sacrifice to provide for those in need. Suffice it to say that as much as I argue for rights and limited government interference, I care for my fellow man and provide all that I can.......considering a large portion of my income is confiscated before I can give it to the charities and causes I deem worthy and responsible.

[Langston Hughes]

I am not going to get into a p*ssing contest about who gave more or, "I gave such and such to this and that charity" as it diminishes the true charity spirit in which I sacrifice to provide for those in need. Suffice it to say that as much as I argue for rights and limited government interference, I care for my fellow man and provide all that I can.......considering a large portion of my income is confiscated before I can give it to the charities and causes I deem worthy and responsible.

 

What are you talking about? I'm not talking about charity or giving. I'm being sarcastic about your visions of grandeur in defending the rights of all Americans.

[Langston Hughes]

Evasion is your answer. While you are looking for exits, the gunman is murdering children. The event took less than 12 minutes. How many lives are lost in your search?

 

My answer? Even if the weapon was unloaded. it would have served as a bludgeon.

 

Thanks for defending the helpless.

 

This is why I prefer not to engage in theoretical questions with you. Somehow, somewhere my theoretical answer did not fit in with what you have gone over in your mind and decided would be the CORRECT ANSWER and then you got shitty and stupid about it.

 

Your shit is funny though. I bet you spent many many hours thinking about how you'd defeat the bad guy and be the hero.

[FiredMotorCompany]

If only i could get you to work on things that are important, instead of defending things that aren't. Guess world hungry isn't going to get cured any time soon while your busy defending the right to have firearms.

 

 

I am not going to get into a p*ssing contest about who gave more or, "I gave such and such to this and that charity" as it diminishes the true charity spirit in which I sacrifice to provide for those in need. Suffice it to say that as much as I argue for rights and limited government interference, I care for my fellow man and provide all that I can.......considering a large portion of my income is confiscated before I can give it to the charities and causes I deem worthy and responsible.

 

 

 

What are you talking about? I'm not talking about charity or giving. I'm being sarcastic about your visions of grandeur in defending the rights of all Americans.

Actually, you WERE talking about charity or giving. And I responded. Sarcasm or not. You brought it up and I knocked outta da park.

 

And I addressed the gun rights point.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

This is why I prefer not to engage in theoretical questions with you. Somehow, somewhere my theoretical answer did not fit in with what you have gone over in your mind and decided would be the CORRECT ANSWER and then you got shitty and stupid about it.

 

Your shit is funny though. I bet you spent many many hours thinking about how you'd defeat the bad guy and be the hero.

It took nanoseconds to decide that using ANY WEAPON AVAILABLE, as opposed to wandering around the school escorting teachers, staff and other students out the door.

Isn't interrupting the deadly gunfire more important?

[Langston Hughes]

You forgot to say.....ATTEMPTING...to interrupt gunfire. Although at the very least you'll interrupt a few projectiles.

 

Again while you might rush to confront the person with a wet floor sign and mop in your little scenario that type of mental bullshit is just that...bullshit.

[FiredMotorCompany]

You forgot to say.....ATTEMPTING...to interrupt gunfire. Although at the very least you'll interrupt a few projectiles.

 

Again while you might rush to confront the person with a wet floor sign and mop in your little scenario that type of mental bullshit is just that...bullshit.

Well, we have a nurse who gave her life to save her patients, other staff, and visitors when a 20 y.o. began randomly stabbing people at a hospital when he thought they were trying to kill his mother.

Nurse stabbed to death at Texas hospital

A stabbing spree at Good Shepherd Medical Center in Longview, Texas left one nurse dead and four people injured.

 

Perhaps some people in this world think beyond their own personal gratification.

 

In addition, a police officer was featured on Good Morning America dragging a 60's y.o. man from his burning vehicle. Just doing the right thing.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/officer-pulls-driver-flaming-suv-120623276.html

 

What do you call it when firemen, police, doctors, good Samaritans put their life on the line to help those in danger? Bull Sh*t?

You're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

Call it BS if you want. I call it selfless. I call it the best of humanity. I call it a father's love for protecting the lives of the innocent. I call it a trait to aspire to match.

 

Go hide in your closet and wait for the police to show up when the attacker runs out of bullets.

Edited November 27, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[Langston Hughes]

Well, we have a nurse who gave her life to save her patients, other staff, and visitors when a 20 y.o. began randomly stabbing people at a hospital when he thought they were trying to kill his mother.

Nurse stabbed to death at Texas hospital

A stabbing spree at Good Shepherd Medical Center in Longview, Texas left one nurse dead and four people injured.

 

Perhaps some people in this world think beyond their own personal gratification.

 

In addition, a police officer was featured on Good Morning America dragging a 60's y.o. man from his burning vehicle. Just doing the right thing.

http://gma.yahoo.com/video/officer-pulls-driver-flaming-suv-120623276.html

 

What do you call it when firemen, police, doctors, good Samaritans put their life on the line to help those in danger? Bull Sh*t?

You're part of the problem, not the solution.

 

Call it BS if you want. I call it selfless. I call it the best of humanity. I call it a father's love for protecting the lives of the innocent. I call it a trait to aspire to match.

 

Go hide in your closet and wait for the police to show up when the attacker runs out of bullets.

 

 

Once again why i don't engage in theoretical discussions with you. Everything above has nothing to do with what you asked me.

 

You need to get out of your head, get out of visualizing these silly scenarios where you have visions of glory and KNOW that you'll stop the bad guy and be the hero.

 

 

Remember that we are talking about a hypothetical scenario you made up, not real life.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

Once again why i don't engage in theoretical discussions with you. Everything above has nothing to do with what you asked me.

 

You need to get out of your head, get out of visualizing these silly scenarios where you have visions of glory and KNOW that you'll stop the bad guy and be the hero.

 

 

Remember that we are talking about a hypothetical scenario you made up, not real life.

So, hypothetically you WOULD NOT USE ANY/ALL WEAPONS AVAILABLE TO END A MURDERING MADMAN'S RAMPAGE in an Elementary School Classroom?

[BlackHorse]

So, hypothetically you WOULD NOT USE ANY/ALL WEAPONS AVAILABLE TO END A MURDERING MADMAN'S RAMPAGE in an Elementary School Classroom?

 

Given that you asked this six days ago and he has failed to answer means the obvious answer to your question is "no he wouldn't".

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Given that you asked this six days ago and he has failed to answer means the obvious answer to your question is "no he wouldn't".

All I know is my character and conscience would not let me live with myself if I did not do anything up to or including giving my life if it could save one child in that school. Sure, some may say that their family needed them to live for another day. But, what use is another day if I had a child's blood on my hands, for failure to act.

 

Every man (adult) has to act on their own sense of priorities. And I cannot condemn someone for doing so.

I just know how much I love my child, and someone without children may lack that compassion.

 

And isn't that what firefighters and police do on a daily basis?

Edited December 3, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[Langston Hughes]

 

Given that you asked this six days ago and he has failed to answer means the obvious answer to your question is "no he wouldn't".

 

I answered the question once and that is enough.

 

Although i'm glad you and eagle scout there sit home at and dream up how you can be heroes.

[Trimdingman]

I grew up where you didn't really own property unless you were capable of fighting to keep it. We were seldom robbed because of fear of my father's fists and guns. He came out of World War II a dangerous man to mess with. When this phony prosperity breaks down, you are going to need to be armed and brave or you will die. The government has other plans. That is why they are trying to disarm the people.

[BlackHorse]

 

I answered the question once and that is enough.

 

Although i'm glad you and eagle scout there sit home at and dream up how you can be heroes.

 

Oh it's not about being a hero. It's just about being a man, I didn't expect you to understand that.

[Langston Hughes]

 

Oh it's not about being a hero. It's just about being a man, I didn't expect you to understand that.

 

I guessed i missed that day of man school, the one where you sit around day dreaming about rushing in and being the savior. I must have been out actually doing something, like serving in the military or being a volunteer fireman, two things I have done.

[BlackHorse]

 

I guessed i missed that day of man school, the one where you sit around day dreaming about rushing in and being the savior. I must have been out actually doing something, like serving in the military or being a volunteer fireman, two things I have done.

 

Good for you. I wore the 1 CAV patch on my "right" shoulder and worked as a prison guard for awhile. It's not about dreaming about being a hero by the way. It's just about doing the right thing, again, I don't expect you to understand.

Edited December 5, 2013 by BlackHorse

[Langston Hughes]

 

Good for you. I wore the 1 CAV patch on my "right" shoulder and worked as a prison guard for awhile. It's not about dreaming about being a hero by the way. It's just about doing the right thing, again, I don't expect you to understand.

 

Thank you for your service, but that doesn't make what i said wrong.

 

I don't believe in playing mental games talking about what one would do IF. It's been 22 years since I wore the Tarot Leaf and I'm no longer a 11Bravo.

 

 

What did you do in the motor pool?

Edited December 5, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[BlackHorse]

 

Thank you for your service, but that doesn't make what i said wrong.

 

I don't believe in playing mental games talking about what one would do IF. It's been 22 years since I wore the Tarot Leaf and I'm no longer a 11Bravo.

 

 

What did you do in the motor pool?

 

In the motor pool? Same as everyone else, PMCS. But I didn't work in the motor pool if that's what you're trying to imply. Shall we turn this into some silly chest thumping, self gloating contest?

Edited December 5, 2013 by BlackHorse

[FiredMotorCompany]

Double post.

Edited December 5, 2013 by FiredMotorCompany

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Thank you for your service, but that doesn't make what i said wrong.

 

I don't believe in playing mental games talking about what one would do IF. It's been 22 years since I wore the Tarot Leaf and I'm no longer a 11Bravo.

 

 

What did you do in the motor pool?

So you never did scenario based sims training?

 

And you do no "What if" planning in your personal life and safety?

Fire drills, disaster preparedness, insurance?