Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry

[Langston Hughes]

*Crickets

Edited November 11, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[BlackHorse]

So i looked up this stat and here's what i got.

 

2012 the US had 14,827 murders which put them 9th on total murder list as it's reported. (some countries could and do lie)

 

Chicago had 500 murders

Detroit had 411 murders

Washington DC. had 82 murders

New Orleans had 193 murders

 

For a grand total of 1186, which means the new total minus this amount is 13,641 which moves the US down 3 spots to 12th, just in front of China, which I figure lies.

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/01/nation/la-na-nn-washington-dc-2012-homicides-20130101

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/12/murders_in_new_orleans_were_sl.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/03/detroit-murders-2012-bing_n_2402372.html *(Note that 38 were considered justifiable homicides by police)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-12-28/news/chi-chicago-2012-homicide-toll-20121228_1_latest-homicide-500th-homicide-tragic-number

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

As for gun control laws, both Detroit and New Orleans are not that strict. Take this pro-gun editorial about New Orleans written this year.

 

http://www.tulanehullabaloo.com/views/gun-control-restrictions-do-not-deter-criminals-1.3068134#.Un6HS_lJM1I

 

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Because as usual, you only give the facts that support your liberal point of view and not the whole story. Lets look up the number of murders in Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle and Portland for instance.

 

Furthermore, gun related deaths statistics are almost always compiled by people with an agenda, such as yourself. To that end they include suicides, people who were killed by someone acting in self defense, shooting involving the Police and unknown situations where it is not clear what happened. The Tsarnaev boy who bombed the Boston marathon, for instance, was listed as a gun related homocide because he was shot by the Police. Of all gun related deaths, suicide is the most common cause, not outright murder.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

 

Regardless of strict or lax gun laws, the reality of this country is that the vast majority of actual gun related homocides occur in big liberal population centers.

Edited November 12, 2013 by BlackHorse

[Ron W.]

Only because I've been drinking and partly for fun ...

 

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/04/17/617000-dead-from-aids-lead-cause-same-sex-homosexuality-kill-more-than-double-the-people-than-do-cars-suicide-violence-by-guns-war-combined/

 

Homosexuality Kills More Than Double The People Than Do Cars, Suicide, Violence By Guns & War Combined: 617,000 Dead In U.S. From AIDS

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/038889_doctors_guns_statistics.html

 

Doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined

 

http://simplefactsplainarguments.blogspot.com/2013/01/6-things-that-kill-more-people-than-guns.html

 

6 Things That Kill More People Than Guns

There were 31,672 firearm-related deaths in 2010. Of these, 11,078 were homicides. That means most gun-related deaths were accidents or suicides. Far too many to be sure, but there are plenty of things that kill more Americans every year than guns. In no order:

1. Cars, 2. Alcohol, 3. Tobacco, 4. Medical Malpractice, 5. Obesity, 6. Government

Gotta love the internet, you can find a link for darn near anything ;-)

[Langston Hughes]

 

Because as usual, you only give the facts that support your liberal point of view and not the whole story. Lets look up the number of murders in Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle and Portland for instance.

 

Furthermore, gun related deaths statistics are almost always compiled by people with an agenda, such as yourself. To that end they include suicides, people who were killed by someone acting in self defense, shooting involving the Police and unknown situations where it is not clear what happened. The Tsarnaev boy who bombed the Boston marathon, for instance, was listed as a gun related homocide because he was shot by the Police. Of all gun related deaths, suicide is the most common cause, not outright murder.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

 

Regardless of strict or lax gun laws, the reality of this country is that the vast majority of actual gun related homocides occur in big liberal population centers.

 

Put the crack pipe down and stop hanging with the Mayor of Toronto.

 

I only gave the facts that proved that the slide was false nothing more nothing less. Those cities you mentioned weren't included on the slide.

 

And furthermore I didn't discuss gun related deaths at all. It says murders, not gun deaths and that's the statistics I used, murders.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Langston Hughes

[Langston Hughes]

Only because I've been drinking and partly for fun ...

 

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/04/17/617000-dead-from-aids-lead-cause-same-sex-homosexuality-kill-more-than-double-the-people-than-do-cars-suicide-violence-by-guns-war-combined/

 

Homosexuality Kills More Than Double The People Than Do Cars, Suicide, Violence By Guns & War Combined: 617,000 Dead In U.S. From AIDS

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/038889_doctors_guns_statistics.html

 

Doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined

 

http://simplefactsplainarguments.blogspot.com/2013/01/6-things-that-kill-more-people-than-guns.html

 

6 Things That Kill More People Than Guns

There were 31,672 firearm-related deaths in 2010. Of these, 11,078 were homicides. That means most gun-related deaths were accidents or suicides. Far too many to be sure, but there are plenty of things that kill more Americans every year than guns. In no order:

1. Cars, 2. Alcohol, 3. Tobacco, 4. Medical Malpractice, 5. Obesity, 6. Government

Gotta love the internet, you can find a link for darn near anything ;-)

 

 

If everyone drove their cars as many rounds as they put through their firearms then cars would be much less dangerous. i'll probably never fire 10,000 rounds in my lifetime but I figure i'll do over a million miles.

 

I imagine that at some point horse related injuries in America were fairly high as people used them for transportation (and farming) but once that stopped the injuries went way down.

[Langston Hughes]

 

Because as usual, you only give the facts that support your liberal point of view and not the whole story. Lets look up the number of murders in Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle and Portland for instance.

 

Furthermore, gun related deaths statistics are almost always compiled by people with an agenda, such as yourself. To that end they include suicides, people who were killed by someone acting in self defense, shooting involving the Police and unknown situations where it is not clear what happened. The Tsarnaev boy who bombed the Boston marathon, for instance, was listed as a gun related homocide because he was shot by the Police. Of all gun related deaths, suicide is the most common cause, not outright murder.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

 

Regardless of strict or lax gun laws, the reality of this country is that the vast majority of actual gun related homocides occur in big liberal population centers.

 

 

So lets look at the extended version of the slide per BlackHorse. Here's where we are currently..

 

2012 the US had 14,827 murders which put them 9th on total murder list as it's reported. (some countries could and do lie)

Chicago had 500 murders

Detroit had 411 murders

Washington DC. had 82 murders

New Orleans had 193 murders

For a grand total of 1186, which means the new total minus this amount is 13,641 which moves the US down 3 spots to 12th, just in front of China, which I figure lies.

 

 

So lets add Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, L.A. and San Diego

 

Portland had 29 murders last year http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/01/homicides_in_portland_during_2.html

Seattle had 26 homicides last year http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020003912_homicides28m.html

San Francisco had 67 homicides http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/san-francisco-mayor-worried-by-citys-rising-homicide-rate/ (this was as of 12-20-12, might have been a spree of a 100 or so in last 11 days)

San Diego had 49 homicides http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jan/13/tp-murder-rises-second-year-in-row/

Los Angeles had 298 homicides http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/crime-down-city-los-angeles-2012-10th-straight-year.html

 

For a running total of 469 which brings our total murders up to 1655 out of 14827. Removing these 5 cities only moves the US down a few more spots to 15th. still a long way from 4th from the bottom.

 

Would you like to pull some more cities out your ass?

 

 

 

P.S. Of course there are going to be more murders where there are more people. DUH!

[Langston Hughes]

Instead of letting you embarrass yourself by continuing to get this shit wrong and naming random cities that blow your own theories to hell, I thought we should do this a bit more scientific.

 

Let's use the top Ten largest cities and see what happens.

 

1. New York - 414 homicides http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/29/nyregion/414-homicides-is-a-record-low-for-new-york.html?_r=0

2. Los Angeles - 298 homicides (see above)

3. Chicago - 500 homicides

4. Houston - 216 homicides http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2013/01/2012_houston_murder_numbers_up.php

5. Philadelphia - 334 homicides http://www.philly.com/philly/news/special_packages/inquirer/Philadelphia_Homicides_1988_2011.html

6. Phoenix - 123 homicides http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20131108phoenix-violent-crime-increases.html

7. San Antonio - 92 homicides http://sacurrent.com/news/murder-city-police-stats-show-2012-had-more-kills-in-san-antonio-1.1433130

8. San Diego - 49 homicides

9. Dallas - 152 homicides http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20130102-dallas-sees-rise-in-murders-but-total-of-152-remains-among-lowest-in-decades.ece

10. San Jose - 46 homicides http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22289797/analysis-despite-record-homicide-numbers-san-jose-still

 

The total Is 2224. so that would bring the US down to 12603, which is roughly still in the top 15.

[Langston Hughes]

Notice at no time did I mention gun deaths. :happy feet:

[cal50]

 

 

Regardless of strict or lax gun laws, the reality of this country is that the vast majority of actual gun related homocides occur in big liberal population centers.

 

With a very high percentage of those firearms illegally owned and used.

Its not the presence of a firearm but when you combine that with not very bright people you get high homicide rates and people wanting to blame the gun vs the operator.

[FiredMotorCompany]

From another thread where we got sidetracked.....

 

By the way are you going to return the murder slide you put in the gun control tramples thread? I dissected it like you said. Just waiting for your reply.

A) It's annoying isn't, it when a post is directed to someone to evoke their response...but it is ignored.
B) It was for "your" dissection. Enjoy.

So you knowingly post outright fabrications just for effect? Good to know.

I would refute that accusation. I had reservations against it's veracity, but found it on a friends Facebook status and I thought it would be interesting what others thought.

You obviously found fault with it.

Now, you get tweaked because I don't defend it in the face of your counter-arguments.

 

Been there.

Leaping to conclusions?

You made a huge assumption that I was defending or advocating that slide. At no point did I comment on it's veracity. I offered it as bait for conversation. Not that I necessarily had opinions either way.

No, possibly attributing to you a larger bit of sense than you might actually have, as the slide didn't pass the initial smell test.

Think about it?

We've talked about Chicago having the most homicides and roughly what the number of homicides were in the US so it should have been obvious to you that it wasn't kosher so to speak. Plus your an active gun owner and informed pro-gun rights person so if the rules were Chicago style tough in all 4 you'd have read about it. (We both knew about the bans in Chicago/DC and the court cases about them.)

It's not a leap to believe that you had your doubts about it's veracity and went ahead anyways just to get a reaction from me.

You were essentially right. I had my doubts. "Knowningly post outright fabrications just for effect?" Sure, what's wrong with that. Obama and others in the administration have done far worse and in the realm of public policy, not just here in our little sphere of opinions, that have FAR more impact on the real world.........but I haven't seen you chime in on demanding as much accountability of them.....just me.

 

 

BTW, as you have said before, I don't HAVE to respond to you.

 

As they say, "Turnabout................"

[Langston Hughes]

Right. whatever.

[BlackHorse]

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in large metropolitian areas that are populated predominately by liberals and governed by liberals.

[Langston Hughes]

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in large metropolitian areas that are populated predominately by liberals and governed by liberals.

The majority of crimes take place where their are more people. That's not a surprise.

 

The rest of what you say has minimal correlation to crime.

 

Social factors outside of politics has more to do with crime, but I'd enjoy it if you'd attempt to show your work instead of just offer your supposed answers.

[BlackHorse]

The majority of crimes take place where their are more people. That's not a surprise.

 

The rest of what you say has minimal correlation to crime.

 

Social factors outside of politics has more to do with crime, but I'd enjoy it if you'd attempt to show your work instead of just offer your supposed answers.

 

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in big liberal metropolitan areas where the majority of the population votes liberal and liberal politicians are in charge. There is a correlation even if you can't admit it.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in big liberal metropolitan areas where the majority of the population votes liberal and liberal politicians are in charge. There is a correlation even if you can't won't admit it.

Fixed it for you.

[Langston Hughes]

 

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in big liberal metropolitan areas where the majority of the population votes liberal and liberal politicians are in charge. There is a correlation even if you can't admit it.

 

Politics has less to do with crime than a host of other factors, but you guys refuse to open your eyes or minds and just go with the so called political correlation.

 

Please remember that correlation is not causation.

[BlackHorse]

 

Politics has less to do with crime than a host of other factors, but you guys refuse to open your eyes or minds and just go with the so called political correlation.

 

Please remember that correlation is not causation.

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders takes place in big liberal metropolitan areas where the majority of the population votes liberal and the local governments are liberals.

[Langston Hughes]

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders takes place in big liberal metropolitan areas where the majority of the population votes liberal and the local governments are liberals.

If you say it a hundred times and sprinkle magic dust on top it still won't make it causation.

 

You know what they say about a lie? If Blackhorse tells himself this enough times he'll believe it.

[BlackHorse]

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in major liberal metropolitan cities where the population tends to vote liberal and liberals are in charge of the government. It's not a lie, it's just reality and there is a correlation.

[Langston Hughes]

Obviously you've told yourself enough times to believe it.

 

Now do you want a cracker?

[BlackHorse]

Obviously you've told yourself enough times to believe it.

 

Now do you want a cracker?

 

The majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in large metropolitan liberal cities where the population tends to vote liberal and liberals are in charge. I don't have to make myself believe it because it's true. Everyone knows this. It's about like saying the sky is blue. Everyone also knows that there is a correlation between the two.

[Langston Hughes]

Just keep parroting the talking points as we know that's all your good for.

[BlackHorse]

Just keep parroting the talking points as we know that's all your good for.

 

Oh make no mistake, it's not a talking point. The reality is that the majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in large metropolitan liberal cities where the majority of the population votes liberal and liberals permate the city governments. No matter how much that gets under your skin, it's the truth and there is in fact a correlation.

[Langston Hughes]

 

Oh make no mistake, it's not a talking point. The reality is that the majority of violent crimes and gun related murders take place in large metropolitan liberal cities where the majority of the population votes liberal and liberals permate the city governments. No matter how much that gets under your skin, it's the truth and there is in fact a correlation.

 

It is a talking point and your parroting it.

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

It is a talking point and your parroting it.

 

A talking point in debate or discourse is a succinct statement designed to support persuasively one side taken on an issue. Such statements can either be free standing or created as retorts to the opposition's talking points and are frequently used in public relations, particularly in areas heavy in debate such as politics and marketing.

 

 

As if your side doesn't use them either.