Romney and Palin were correct, and Obama probably knew it!

[Imawhosure]

Wars suck, we all know this, we really don't want to fight them as a populace, and some politicians want to throw fig leafs at the populace telling them with the strongest military in the world, we have little to fear. Who would be dumb enough to attack the United States, when her military and advanced technology would lay waste to the aggressors; that is the story we here from many, that is how we sleep well in our beds at night, that is how we believe our children have nothing to fear from outside the country, but only crackpots from inside the country.

 

A while back; maybe before some of you were born or maybe you were very young, the world faced an evil empire known as the "Union of Soviet Socialists Republic." They were by far the most expansionist regime the world had ever seen in modern times, and they politically spread communism/socialism across the globe as far as they could. They had nuclear weapons which assured mass and mutual destruction to any country that stood up to them, and their whole ideology was to defeat the West and impose their political beliefs upon the world; with the Kremlin in charge.

 

A President named Ronal Reagan came along, and defeated them without firing a shot. How? By running them out of money, rudimentary explanation for sure, but that is basically how it was done. The Soviet Union and its satellite countries broke apart, leaving them weak, including the motherland known as Russia. But, that is not the end of the story.

 

What if it would have been different? What if the Soviets had collapsed America?

 

Well, a young Russian KGB officer who posed as a journalist when Ronald Reagan visited the Soviet Union, and actually was captured in a photograph with our President named Vladimir Putin also contemplated this I suppose. (yep the same Vlady that is todays President of Russia, and former President of Russia) As he rose in power and was elected as President, he plotted to turn the tables on America, while reassembling the old Soviet Union in all her glory.

 

Fast forward to our housing collapse. The American economy was on the verge of total disaster. And what was really going on behind the scenes that Bush knew, thus Obama was undoubtedly told as the transfer of power was taking place? Maybe we should allow someone from the cabinet to tell you, because if it was just me saying it, everyone would just pooh-pooh it. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26609548

 

Yes, we were THAT close to collapse; a collapse that no military could have saved us from. In fact, the only thing that probably saved us was--------->the Chineses not being willing to lose all of that money, along with somewhere to sell the stuff they were making to.

 

I won't go into how our current President didn't cut back on spending after knowing this, or how he kept floating bonds for Obamacare, or anything else for that matter. Or how when confronted by candidate Romney that Russia was our biggest geopolitical foe, he blatantly tried to make it seem Romney was still in cold war mode.

 

Still, for progressives and conservatives alike, this ought to wake you up to why we have to quit borrowing money from these people, or any other people. The Soviet Union had the second best military in the world, and certainly the second most nukes but were brought down economically by a concerted effort of the Western democracies. They are now plotting the same strategy in reverse for us with the help of their friends; and if it would have been just a little bit different in 2008, your lives would be totally different today.....not for the better I might add. And guess what......they too would have done it without firing a shot. The rest of the Western World, along with you would have been left where?

 

Time to wake up; all of us, don't you think?!?!?!

[phil1336]

Nothing wrong with be a Flag Waving Patriot which you obviously are. If your looking for another War, the one that Romney promised with Iran or the one that McCain & Palin would have found a Nation with a good reason to invade in order to spread "Democracy" or "Imperialism". Regardless, I, being a Vietnam era Veteran who just happened to be "Drafted" to fight a War that you probably either don`t remember or forgot how it turned out. If you think that spending both Blood & Treasure to profit our Military Industrial Complex ae: Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, etc. then push for and advocate bringing back the "DRAFT"! As long as we have a (volunteer) Military, our Department of War, now renamed the Defense Department will always find a cause or purpose to send (someone) others Sons, Daughters, Husbands or Wives off to fight another (just) War! Easy to place the blame for anything and everything at Obama`s feet. The cost of "RomneyCare" which will reduce the cost to most Taxpayers of paying for the (under-insured) and the (un-insured) who`s Medical Bills are now being paid for by MediCaid Dollars paid for by guess who? Hopefully, (you) will wake up after falling into your Fox News induced drunken stupor!

[Edstock]

They are now plotting the same strategy in reverse for us with the help of their friends; and if it would have been just a little bit different in 2008, your lives would be totally different today.....not for the better I might add. And guess what......they too would have done it without firing a shot. The rest of the Western World, along with you would have been left where?

 

Time to wake up; all of us, don't you think?!?!?!

 

Well, it's time to start reading a lot of history, for sure. You seem to be in thrall of Putin's Russia. Hard to see why, Russia has a shrinking birthrate, and shrinking life-expectancy for its men, who are dying younger and younger in Putin's Paradise. Meanwhile the corruption is mind-boggling for scale.

[Imawhosure]

Nothing wrong with be a Flag Waving Patriot which you obviously are. If your looking for another War, the one that Romney promised with Iran or the one that McCain & Palin would have found a Nation with a good reason to invade in order to spread "Democracy" or "Imperialism". Regardless, I, being a Vietnam era Veteran who just happened to be "Drafted" to fight a War that you probably either don`t remember or forgot how it turned out. If you think that spending both Blood & Treasure to profit our Military Industrial Complex ae: Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, etc. then push for and advocate bringing back the "DRAFT"! As long as we have a (volunteer) Military, our Department of War, now renamed the Defense Department will always find a cause or purpose to send (someone) others Sons, Daughters, Husbands or Wives off to fight another (just) War! Easy to place the blame for anything and everything at Obama`s feet. The cost of "RomneyCare" which will reduce the cost to most Taxpayers of paying for the (under-insured) and the (un-insured) who`s Medical Bills are now being paid for by MediCaid Dollars paid for by guess who? Hopefully, (you) will wake up after falling into your Fox News induced drunken stupor!

I was teenager during the Vietnam war. The way they treated the returning troops in this country was unconscionable.

 

I really do not know how you draw what I said, to me suggesting fighting another war. All I am doing is stating facts that are in evidence, and suggesting we better wake up and quit borrowing money from these people, before all of us are in deep doo-doo.

 

Iran is a whole other subject, this thread is about what Vladimir Putin and his crony capitalists in Russia and what they tried to do to us. And if he would have had Chinas help as he requested, how miserable all of our lives would be today.

 

As far as blaming Obama, if you get lung cancer, the last thing you do is keep smoking, isn't it? If you know how your enemies intend to bring you down, are you suggesting you play into their hands? That is ludicrous. Lets be honest here-------------> if you believe we should just keep borrowing so they have more leverage and an easier time to collapse us, we don't even need a military. What is the difference if they defeat us by collapsing us, or invading us? Either way, we are cooked.

 

And oh, by the way............let Canada and Mexico know too, cause if they bring us down, they are severe trouble too.

[Imawhosure]

 

Well, it's time to start reading a lot of history, for sure. You seem to be in thrall of Putin's Russia. Hard to see why, Russia has a shrinking birthrate, and shrinking life-expectancy for its men, who are dying younger and younger in Putin's Paradise. Meanwhile the corruption is mind-boggling for scale.

You obviously didn't read the link, now did you. Are you telling me seriously, that you do not care that Putin and friends tried to collude to collapse this country?

[Imawhosure]

 

Well, it's time to start reading a lot of history, for sure. You seem to be in thrall of Putin's Russia. Hard to see why, Russia has a shrinking birthrate, and shrinking life-expectancy for its men, who are dying younger and younger in Putin's Paradise. Meanwhile the corruption is mind-boggling for scale.

 

Nothing wrong with be a Flag Waving Patriot which you obviously are. If your looking for another War, the one that Romney promised with Iran or the one that McCain & Palin would have found a Nation with a good reason to invade in order to spread "Democracy" or "Imperialism". Regardless, I, being a Vietnam era Veteran who just happened to be "Drafted" to fight a War that you probably either don`t remember or forgot how it turned out. If you think that spending both Blood & Treasure to profit our Military Industrial Complex ae: Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, etc. then push for and advocate bringing back the "DRAFT"! As long as we have a (volunteer) Military, our Department of War, now renamed the Defense Department will always find a cause or purpose to send (someone) others Sons, Daughters, Husbands or Wives off to fight another (just) War! Easy to place the blame for anything and everything at Obama`s feet. The cost of "RomneyCare" which will reduce the cost to most Taxpayers of paying for the (under-insured) and the (un-insured) who`s Medical Bills are now being paid for by MediCaid Dollars paid for by guess who? Hopefully, (you) will wake up after falling into your Fox News induced drunken stupor!

You know what, I sure hope neither of you guys are American; because instead of feeling infuriated that someone tried to economically take your country down, one of you basically disses us, the other glosses it over by insisting Russia is weak. Nobody said start a war, nobody said to send troops; all it was is a warning to stop borrowing money from them becoming indentured servants, while getting our house in order.

 

If you are American, I now know why we are in such deep trouble. Nobody cares, America is the problem, let everyone screw us over, Putin is wonderful. Fine, I am sorry you feel that way, and being a flag waving, concerned patriot of this country does one thing for you-------------> it gives you the feeling to know when you are looking at someone all about themselves, instead of the good of the country.

[cal50]

Dictators sense weakness like animals sense fear in people.

In Obama's case the idiot should never of drawn a "red line" or make threats he could not make good on.

 

No one wants to go to war and a strong military with the possibility of direct force is a deterrent to dictators that have no fear or respect of you.

Pretty much everyone world wide laughs at Obama and fears little. He is a liar and his words carry little weight anyway.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Dictators sense weakness like animals sense fear in people.

In Obama's case the idiot should never of drawn a "red line" or make threats he could not make good on.

 

No one wants to go to war and a strong military with the possibility of direct force is a deterrent to dictators that have no fear or respect of you.

Pretty much everyone world wide laughs at Obama and fears little. He is a liar and his words carry little weight anyway.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."

 

Obama carries a soft stick and talks softer.

Edited March 20, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany

[cal50]

"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."

 

Obama carries a soft stick and talks softer.

 

 

Obama carries a golf club & talks from a teleprompter.

[Langston Hughes]

Wars suck, we all know this, we really don't want to fight them as a populace, and some politicians want to throw fig leafs at the populace telling them with the strongest military in the world, we have little to fear. Who would be dumb enough to attack the United States, when her military and advanced technology would lay waste to the aggressors; that is the story we here from many, that is how we sleep well in our beds at night, that is how we believe our children have nothing to fear from outside the country, but only crackpots from inside the country.

 

A while back; maybe before some of you were born or maybe you were very young, the world faced an evil empire known as the "Union of Soviet Socialists Republic." They were by far the most expansionist regime the world had ever seen in modern times, and they politically spread communism/socialism across the globe as far as they could. They had nuclear weapons which assured mass and mutual destruction to any country that stood up to them, and their whole ideology was to defeat the West and impose their political beliefs upon the world; with the Kremlin in charge.

 

A President named Ronal Reagan came along, and defeated them without firing a shot. How? By running them out of money, rudimentary explanation for sure, but that is basically how it was done. The Soviet Union and its satellite countries broke apart, leaving them weak, including the motherland known as Russia. But, that is not the end of the story.

 

What if it would have been different? What if the Soviets had collapsed America?

 

Well, thanks for the revisionist history lesson gramps, but you're completely wrong as to who deserves the credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union and most likely the age of most of us. Lets go with the former assertion, as t was the Pope, Solidarity and the invasion of Afghanistan that brought down the evil empire. Reagan provided nice sound bites but the heavy lifting was outside of his actions.If there is one American you should be championing as a killer of communism, then it should be a Democrat. Wilson did more to drag the Soviets down than Ronnie ever thought to do, and then couldn't remember.

 

And Bush did his level best to try to collapse us, by invading Afghanistan and Iraq in what can only be described as repeating history.

[Langston Hughes]

If you are American, I now know why we are in such deep trouble. Nobody cares, America is the problem, let everyone screw us over, Putin is wonderful. Fine, I am sorry you feel that way, and being a flag waving, concerned patriot of this country does one thing for you-------------> it gives you the feeling to know when you are looking at someone all about themselves, instead of the good of the country.

 

Perhaps, your age as an issue and your wits have gone to glory, because you have lost a grasp on history.

 

You didn't miss the first 7 years of the Bush admin where he did everything to kiss Putin's ass did you?

 

In June 2001, George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin ended their first face-to-face meeting with an outdoor news conference beneath a craggy mountaintop in Slovenia. "Is this a man that Americans can trust?" I asked Bush as Putin glared at me.

"Yes," Bush replied, before allowing Putin to answer a separate question. A few minutes later, the American president elaborated: "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country," Bush said, adding a few sentence later, "I wouldn't have invited him to my ranch if I didn't trust him.

 

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

Perhaps, your age as an issue and your wits have gone to glory, because you have lost a grasp on history.

 

You didn't miss the first 7 years of the Bush admin where he did everything to kiss Putin's ass did you?

Refresh my memory.

 

How many countries did he invade during Bush's administration?

[napfirst]

 

Perhaps, your age as an issue and your wits have gone to glory, because you have lost a grasp on history.

 

You didn't miss the first 7 years of the Bush admin where he did everything to kiss Putin's ass did you?

How about a little age bigotry ?

[FiredMotorCompany]

This would be funny if it weren't so close to being true.

 

Yes, it's from The Onion, though, they do manage to make the valid point that there really weren't any repercussions for his seizure of Crimea for Putin.

Thanks For Being So Cool About Everything

Commentary • Opinion • ISSUE 50•11 • Mar 20, 2014

By Vladimir Putin

 

As you know, the last few weeks have been kind of crazy around here. Last month, protests in Ukraine ousted the country’s Kremlin-allied president and ignited a wave of Ukrainian nationalism that threatened to destabilize Russia’s economic and military interests in the region. Of course, I couldn’t simply stand by and let that happen, so I intervened and ordered a forceful takeover of the strategically important peninsula of Crimea—a territory with historical ties to Russia that our nation had long desired. It’s certainly no easy task to forcefully annex an entire province against another country’s will, so I just wanted to thank you—the government of the United States, the nations of western Europe, and really the entire world population as a whole—for being super cool about all of this.

Seriously, you guys have been amazing. All of you. I really appreciate it.

To be honest, I was really dreading a whole big fight over this thing. When you first condemned the seizure of Crimea as patently illegal and in breach of the Ukrainian constitution—which it absolutely was, by the way—I feared for the worst. But then everybody stopped short of doing anything to actually prevent what was essentially a state-sponsored landgrab, and I just thought, “Wow, these guys are a pretty laid-back and easygoing bunch!” It really was a huge load off when you let everything slide like that.

Believe me, I know it must have been hard to stand idly by and do nothing as a foreign military invaded one of your allies, or just sit back and watch while we set up a complete farce of a referendum—a referendum supervised by heavily armed members of the Russian military, mind you—and used it as grounds for backdoor annexation. It also couldn’t have been easy to keep your cool when we sent commandos to raid the Ukrainian naval headquarters in Crimea. But you didn’t really make much of a fuss over any of it, and I couldn’t be more grateful for that. It made my job way, way easier.

I totally owe you one, no question about that.

 

[Langston Hughes]

Refresh my memory.

 

How many countries did he invade during Bush's administration?

At least one.

[Langston Hughes]

 

No, Im not young either.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Langston Hughes

[Langston Hughes]

This would be funny if it weren't so close to being true.

 

Yes, it's from The Onion, though, they do manage to make the valid point that there really weren't any repercussions for his seizure of South Ossetia.

 

Fixed it for ya.

[fmccap]

You obviously didn't read the link, now did you. Are you telling me seriously, that you do not care that Putin and friends tried to collude to collapse this country?

All I can say is it's our own fault. When you really think about it now there is nothing we can do against any formidable country because of the situation we(our sorry politicians) have put us in.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Fixed it for ya.

Perhaps we should come to a gentleman's agreement of using the strike-through font when "fixing" another's comment when it is inside a quote. If we are going to continue with this technique.

 

There is a liklihood that we'll have an occassion where a "fixed" quote gets disassociated from the original. And misrepresenting the speaker's words he can be held responsible for.

That would not be cricket.

Edited March 21, 2014 by FiredMotorCompany

[Imawhosure]

 

Well, thanks for the revisionist history lesson gramps, but you're completely wrong as to who deserves the credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union and most likely the age of most of us. Lets go with the former assertion, as t was the Pope, Solidarity and the invasion of Afghanistan that brought down the evil empire. Reagan provided nice sound bites but the heavy lifting was outside of his actions.If there is one American you should be championing as a killer of communism, then it should be a Democrat. Wilson did more to drag the Soviets down than Ronnie ever thought to do, and then couldn't remember.

 

And Bush did his level best to try to collapse us, by invading Afghanistan and Iraq in what can only be described as repeating history.

You are obviously a genius, so therefore I surrender to your brilliance. No sense debating anything with you.

 

Hey fellas, I forgot, is there still an ignore button?

 

I refuse to even talk to someone who has no sense of history, and re-writes it constantly to make his point in the present.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Imawhosure

[BlackHorse]

 

Well, thanks for the revisionist history lesson gramps, but you're completely wrong as to who deserves the credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union and most likely the age of most of us. Lets go with the former assertion, as t was the Pope, Solidarity and the invasion of Afghanistan that brought down the evil empire. Reagan provided nice sound bites but the heavy lifting was outside of his actions.If there is one American you should be championing as a killer of communism, then it should be a Democrat. Wilson did more to drag the Soviets down than Ronnie ever thought to do, and then couldn't remember.

 

And Bush did his level best to try to collapse us, by invading Afghanistan and Iraq in what can only be described as repeating history.

 

 

Yet another post full outright lies and nonsense. Charlie Wilson did do some great things in helping the Afghans with their struggle against the Soviet Invasion but to try and give him credit for bringing down Communist Russia is beyond ridiculous. The Soviet Union collapsed because they were spending too much money trying to keep up with NATO in the arms race of the 1980's. It had nothing to do with Charlie Wilson, Ronald Regan or any other American politician. It was their own doing. Furthermore, the notion that Bush should not have called for an invasion of Afghanistan after 9 / 11 is laughably stupid. It was such a bad idea that nearly every Democrat in Congress agreed to it right? Don't accuse others of attempting revisionist history and then double down on doing the same thing.

[Ron W.]

 

The Soviet Union collapsed because they were spending too much money trying to keep up <snip>. It was their own doing.

 

Sounds like our current government.

[Langston Hughes]

Thank you for the compliment.

Rekax, with all that drama. Reagan had a part in it, but like most conservative Americans you leave out the parts non-Americans played, such as Solidarity, Pope John Paul and even Thatcher. Add in that it was Afghanistan that brought about their real financial difficulties and you have the true cause of the collapse.

And the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan did likewise to our economy. It costs us lives, injuries and money that could have been put to better use and in the end achieved limited results.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Langston Hughes

[Langston Hughes]

 

 

Yet another post full outright lies and nonsense. Charlie Wilson did do some great things in helping the Afghans with their struggle against the Soviet Invasion but to try and give him credit for bringing down Communist Russia is beyond ridiculous. The Soviet Union collapsed because they were spending too much money trying to keep up with NATO in the arms race of the 1980's. It had nothing to do with Charlie Wilson, Ronald Regan or any other American politician. It was their own doing. Furthermore, the notion that Bush should not have called for an invasion of Afghanistan after 9 / 11 is laughably stupid. It was such a bad idea that nearly every Democrat in Congress agreed to it right? Don't accuse others of attempting revisionist history and then double down on doing the same thing.

 

Lies? I didn't give him credit for bringing down the Soviet union. I very explicitly said that if Imma was looking to give one American credit for it, which he had in his first post, then he should give Wilson more credit than Reagan.

 

Langston Hughes, on 20 Mar 2014 - 8:52 PM, said:

Lets go with the former assertion, as it was the Pope, Solidarity and the invasion of Afghanistan that brought down the evil empire. Reagan provided nice sound bites but the heavy lifting was outside of his actions. If there is one American you should be championing as a killer of communism, then it should be a Democrat. Wilson did more to drag the Soviets down than Ronnie ever thought to do, and then couldn't remember.

And Bush did his level best to try to collapse us, by invading Afghanistan and Iraq in what can only be described as repeating history.

 

 

I think you might notice that I said "IF" or did you miss that part? And if you look at the bold, you would see that I gave the majority of the credit to things other than US politicians, specifically Pope John Paul, the Solidarity movement in Poland and the Russian involvement in Afghanistan. Those three things were a large part of the breakup of the Soviet Union, not Reagan and not just military spending. There is nothing revisionist in what happened with Poland from 79-89, the Pope's place in that and the eventual effect it had on the other Soviet satellite states.

 

Blackhorse, I did and still do support the invasion of Afghanistan, however I did not support the invasion of Iraq as it took away from our mission in Afghanistan and I didn't agree with leaving the mission to understaffed Nato commanders. Both the CBC and the BBC covered how poorly the mission was run and with such limited resources that the NATO forces (non-US) were not able to project any amount of force, when the US pulled a majority of it's troops towards Iraq. Afghanistan was just as the Soviets found it. You could control the major cities, certain areas but you could not pacify the entire country. Even when we pushed more troops into the country after winding down the Iraq war, the same was still true. No matter how righteous our invasion was, the place is still a cluster and always will be.

[phil1336]

 

Well, it's time to start reading a lot of history, for sure. You seem to be in thrall of Putin's Russia. Hard to see why, Russia has a shrinking birthrate, and shrinking life-expectancy for its men, who are dying younger and younger in Putin's Paradise. Meanwhile the corruption is mind-boggling for scale.

Yeah, things are improving (Life Expectancy) while literacy is dropping like a rock as well as the average American`s standard of living. Sounds like a Dream. Live longer working a part-time minimum wage job with no decent health insurance, raise a Family only to watch income disparity increase as the rich get richer and the former MIddle Class get poorer and get renamed the "working poor". Blame the Dems, Liberals, Progressives, and Unions as well as Government (over) regulations for our new American. Class Welfare and Income Redistribution is your true enemy.