blwnsmoke Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Uh Oh!! https://autos.yahoo.com/news/cover-allegations-against-gm-192800527.html Lance Cooper and Jere Beasley, two attorneys who have handled lawsuits involving the defective ignition switches, say a fresh round of litigation has uncovered proof that GM actively tried to cover up the problem switches. If the allegations are true, they would run counter to the conclusion of General Motors' internal investigation, which blamed incompetence as the primary reason the automaker approved the use of faulty ignition switches, and then was slow to recall them once it learned of accidents. "We believe the documents show, and the testimony that will come out that this wasn't incompetence, it was a cover-up," Cooper said. Edited March 17, 2015 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Considering these are attorneys and there is a pending class action lawsuit, I'll wait to see the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I just read that too. If their allegations turn out to be true, GM is in for a world of hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) One thing is for sure, GM won't be game enough to risk one ignition switch claim going to trial, if ti's proven negligent or worse covered up the problem, executives could be facing jail time. I bet this is being cast in the worst possible light to bring GM to the table, deal with us or we will show criminality in open court....Not blackmail but geez, this could bring them to their knees. Edited March 17, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 At this point if GM have nothing to hide this probably is another "get rich " scheme from some "slip n fall" lawyers. But if GM DO have something to hide like this I rather for them to settle because the company will get destroyed by jury litigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 At this point if GM have nothing to hide this probably is another "get rich " scheme from some "slip n fall" lawyers. At this point it looks like they had plenty to hide. The question now is if they have come out with it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Sometimes I wish the Plaintiffs would NOT settle and take them to court just because it is what they deserve. Instead of just cashing in, bring it to trial and let the public see everything. If I was a victim or it was my child that was a victim, no amount of money is going to make it better. What would make it better is the company getting what it deserves and that is making it all public knowledge.. not an undisclosed check. Can't tell me these cases are not slam dunks! Edited March 17, 2015 by blwnsmoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I would be surprised if there is a "smoking gun" document that clearly shows a coverup. If there were then I think GM would have been out in front of it. I suspect there are documents that could be interpreted that way and it will be up to a jury to make that determination. I doubt it will be a slam dunk in spite of what the attorneys want you to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I would be surprised if there is a "smoking gun" document that clearly shows a coverup. If there were then I think GM would have been out in front of it. I suspect there are documents that could be interpreted that way and it will be up to a jury to make that determination. I doubt it will be a slam dunk in spite of what the attorneys want you t"o believe. I was thinking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I was thinking this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You don't need a smoking gun to meet the 'reasonable person' threshold (otherwise none of us would believe in protons), and I expect that there is sufficient evidence here to indicate a collaborative cover-up effort. The question is whether it's broad enough for a jury to hold the entire company negligible, as opposed to a small coterie of bad-actors. If GM's head of legal, the guy who just recently quit, was consulted about any of this during the pre-bankruptcy period, it's going to get very very very very ugly for GM. Very ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What the attorneys consider to be conclusive evidence and what a judge and jury think may be two different things. Remember - on average in every trial at least one attorney loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 As officers of the court,would the lawyers have a duty to hand over any evidence they feel leads to criminality? I am surprised that statements of cover up are being made with out involving law enforcement agencies. So is this more like painting the email transcripts as worse than they really are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 We're not talking about a criminal proceeding. There is little reason to pursue a criminal case that would likely end only with monetary fines that can more easily be secured by a civil proceeding. However, if it is discovered that GM's lawyers destroyed, planned to destroy, or directed or recommended that others to destroy documentation of the defect, then you are right, there could be serious consequences for those lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) That's what I'm on about - Discovery. GM has guaranteed itself a full and thorough colonoscopy over its failure to properly manage and audit its own internal procedures. Their biggest fear should be what other damaging insight will be contained in all those emails back and forth. Things that were said at the time could now take on a different meaning in the light of what has happened... I wonder what's laying in wait ready to pop out and hit GM next. Edited March 18, 2015 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Is it possible to commit perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Is it possible to commit perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding? Yep. http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/perjury-in-a-bankruptcy-case-can-land-you-in-jail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Also, knowingly concealing liabilities while accessing protection under CH 11 leads to what action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Also, knowingly concealing liabilities while accessing protection under CH 11 leads to what action? For a regular bankruptcy or for GM's super special, "our own rules" bankruptcy? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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