ralagon Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster B Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Top right...September 16 1996? Edited November 7, 2019 by Grandmaster B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grandmaster B said: Top right...September 16 1996? The underlined part is new language, which is why the date is crossed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralagon Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Bottom left 10/25/19 this is from the ford final changed pages. Anything with a line through it is to be changed and anything with a line underneath is added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Honestly this is enough to get a no vote from me. I don't trust that it won't be used for discipline. It takes chairman approval to be implemented but I also don't trust that it won't be strong armed into implementation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 If they put camera's in the UAW rep's offices I am OK with it.......................? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 As long as you're doing your job shouldn't be no issues, now if the installed breathalyzers at each station there might be some issues. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I don't care, I do my job. Way too big brother for my liking. It bothers me way less to have someone physically watching me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 This could be a safety thing,now workers can work alone in isolated places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Video camera`s on the work site or operations? Nothing new. Every Ford plant with any renovations within the last few years has camera`s everywhere. CAP has them everywhere on the floor and outside in every lot Ford owns or uses. Come on this is Chicago. KCAP, LAP & KTP has the same through out there sealer, enamel, prime and all repair area`s. We did have a member trying to put a camera on the roof to see what was going on up there but the drama was discontinued prior to broadcasting the saga.... (but no one saw all the spare tires being borrowed from under the pick ups or a Harley being borrowed?) (this is Chicago ) Edited November 7, 2019 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Oh... no camera needed for discipline actually here at CAP or anywhere for that matter. Just ask some CAP process coaches about carrying their favorites at a certain starting time and their favorites come in oh lets just say well after the computer said their time started. Then the favorites standing in LRO trying to say "I" let someone else use my pass... We live in a point in time that you have to realize you are never off the grid. Even being off the grid gives intel of your last position. 20 to 25 years ago the Army`s 2nd Military Command could tell where every member of a team was at any time on an operation, on the other side of the world. Shit today those members are seen in operation in real time. Smile... you are never alone Edited November 7, 2019 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ididntdoit Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 this is just phase one, next phase will be a chip implanted in our hands with all our info and gps tracking, get caught with out your safety glasses and they'll zap ya from an office in detroit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal50 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 We have a LOT of cameras in the plant. No biggie unless you are doing something stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Wait a friggin minute!!!!! Stupid we don`t do nuttin stupid on the job!!!! Most do their stupid out of sight like on the roof or in a cleaning supply closet or office or back seat of a repair unit or in the local`s parking lot but... never.... on the job. Edited November 7, 2019 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucko Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/7/2019 at 9:24 AM, Decker said: Video camera`s on the work site or operations? Nothing new. Every Ford plant with any renovations within the last few years has camera`s everywhere. CAP has them everywhere on the floor and outside in every lot Ford owns or uses. Come on this is Chicago. KCAP, LAP & KTP has the same through out there sealer, enamel, prime and all repair area`s. We did have a member trying to put a camera on the roof to see what was going on up there but the drama was discontinued prior to broadcasting the saga.... (but no one saw all the spare tires being borrowed from under the pick ups or a Harley being borrowed?) (this is Chicago ) No one saw tailgates leaving the frap lots either..don't mind the cameras, just hate the idea that an ie could use it to add work, or it being used for discipline in the case of an honest mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) On November 6, 2019 at 6:47 PM, ralagon said: So can the Locals say no till the IUAW says they have to let the company implement it system wide? Edited November 11, 2019 by cecilmeyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The Locals will be expected to go along or it would not be in the National Contract.The Locals maybe able to tweak the details of how the cameras are used but remember the UAW motto--COMPLIANCE is MANDATORY.I gotta nasty itch in my pants,,,,,excuse me.I wish they had better toilet paper around this place! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fatso said: The Locals will be expected to go along or it would not be in the National Contract.The Locals maybe able to tweak the details of how the cameras are used but remember the UAW motto--COMPLIANCE is MANDATORY.I gotta nasty itch in my pants,,,,,excuse me.I wish they had better toilet paper around this place! Don't blame me, I voted no because of that BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 With most everything in the contract there are differing interpretations of every element that will decide the facilities application. Just like this specific issue, (video) it was started in 1996 and to date nothing has really become of the 1996 letter to Ernest Lofton. Tweaking shit over the years hasn`t changed much and the issues haven`t really been made for any real application one way or another. But...oh yes it`s in there some will say, so will it actually be applied? Work if it is? Stop and think about those at the table, do they have a true picture of the plant floor? Shit both sides at the table do whatever it takes to avoid the plant floor . Most of there agreed on contractual issues dealing with anything but economics is at best a silly idea that one side or the other thinks will do...? Or one side wants to implement something they were sold by some outside marketing group and the other side will get a big enough kick back or more appointee`s to say put in a letter of understanding... (FTPM, FPS ...etc.) One thing for sure, we have members that get focused on one or two issues and make decisions based on the "if`s" and "couldda wouldda`s" but that`s cool with me. It`s just those differences that makes everything interesting. At CAP we got`s our share of difference`s that makes for never a drama less day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Don't blame me, I voted no because of that BS. Dont worry about the cameras.The locals should insist that any resulting video footage obtained shall NOT be used for disciplinary purposes or the company can 'shove it'.One thing the workers will never be told is exactly how much we are necessary to the companies survival.We are all highly trained and have proven ourselves capable.C`mon,the company needs us as much as we need them.I gotta itch that you wont believe and its ,,,,,right there!Catch all that?Wanna see more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
600'sOldWatchDog Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 What is the only thing YOU are guaranteed in the event of the Company violating the "no discipline" agreement.... a Grievance. Burkie Morris just ok'd FMC and the discipline prone DTP-HR to install those cameras on the door line to monitor our Brothers and Sisters. What a sell out - thanks Burkie - fire sale at 600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 The company does to us whatever the union lets them get away with.At the same time they allow the company to break the contract in an arbitrary and capricious manner.Oh well,,,,,I gotsta scratch my ass,,,,,where is that camera? Good old Burkie {sarcasm}.I wonder what his pay off was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
600'sOldWatchDog Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Brother, the Company does do what they want here! BUT - the huge question is WHY is Burkie allowing it? Again I ask which Union Reps have publicly stood up and against Burkie allowing the use of cameras? We are still waiting for your response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
600'sOldWatchDog Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Hey Burkie. I am calling you out to answer these questions on WHY you allowed cameras to be used to monitor the workers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
600'sOldWatchDog Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) I hear from your 'boyz" Burkie that you are trying to figure out who I am. Funny how some of them know, but won't tell you. Well, answer the questions here and I will give u a clue. Edited February 13, 2020 by 600'sOldWatchDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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