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51 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:

I wouldn't call some of these cars "cheap" as the headline of the article states. The strange thing is the Escape and Bronco Sport aren't listed

 

https://www.motor1.com/news/746185/cheap-car-sales-2024/

 

 

 

It's crazy that Honda is selling so many CR-Vs and Toyota so many Rav4s

 

Rav-4 - 475,193

CR-V - 402,791

 

Even if you combined Ford's efforts, you're still only at 271,560

 

Bronco Sport - 124,701

Escape - 146,859

 

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17 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

It's crazy that Honda is selling so many CR-Vs and Toyota so many Rav4s

 

Rav-4 - 475,193

CR-V - 402,791

 

Even if you combined Ford's efforts, you're still only at 271,560

 

Bronco Sport - 124,701

Escape - 146,859

 


Yeah, and Honda’s slightly smaller and cheaper HR-V is doing well too, with 151,468 in sales for 23.9% increase.  Size-wise reminds me of my 1st generation CR-V which was a great vehicle.  Smaller size can be a lot of fun to drive, and are definitely cheaper on average; though wish so many of them did not use CVT transmissions.
 

 On that subject, Interesting cheapest Nissan offers a 5-speed manual.  Not for everyone, but at least an option to avoid CVT.  Have noticed a trend of manufacturers offering more autos in lieu of CVTs on slightly higher priced models.  Regardless, these basic and smaller vehicles offer much value.

 

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1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

It's crazy that Honda is selling so many CR-Vs and Toyota so many Rav4s

 

Rav-4 - 475,193

CR-V - 402,791

 

Even if you combined Ford's efforts, you're still only at 271,560

 

Bronco Sport - 124,701

Escape - 146,859

 


Rav4 and CR-V are the new accord and Camry so no surprise there,

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Are many of these vehicles much different than Ford selling Maverick starting at $20k a few years ago?  The cheaper ones are smaller than Maverick, and appear built more basic.  If Ford turned a profit on early Mavericks, then many of these could be profitable as well.  Basic small sedans under $25k doesn’t seem that much of a stretch.

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2 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Are many of these vehicles much different than Ford selling Maverick starting at $20k a few years ago?  The cheaper ones are smaller than Maverick, and appear built more basic.  If Ford turned a profit on early Mavericks, then many of these could be profitable as well.  Basic small sedans under $25k doesn’t seem that much of a stretch.

 

It is a stretch because the sedan market is shrinking and has lots of competition with rebates, removing pretty much any way of making a profit. 

 

The Maverick has one other product to compete with and in some trims sells for $40k+ which isn't "affordable" and has little to no incentives on it. That is how it is profitable. Ford isn't flooding the market with 23K entry level Mavericks, going by what I see at different dealerships in my area-they are all over 30k+

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Many of these Japanese and Korean cars at dealers in my area are closer to $30k, particularly Honda Civic.  Basic Nissan Versa with steel wheels and 5-speed manual start at $17,190 MSRP.  That’s a different level of affordability. 😀

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2 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Many of these Japanese and Korean cars at dealers in my area are closer to $30k, particularly Honda Civic.  Basic Nissan Versa with steel wheels and 5-speed manual start at $17,190 MSRP.  That’s a different level of affordability. 😀

 

Most Civics are around $30,000, and the Accords are in the high $30s and low $40s. That is only "cheap" compared to $60,000 pickups and $75,000 large SUVs. 

 

The Civic is a nice car - so nice that it appears to be taking a big bite out of Accord sales. 

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50 minutes ago, grbeck said:

 

The Civic is a nice car - so nice that it appears to be taking a big bite out of Accord sales. 


The new Civic is the size of the old Accord.  Accord is bordering on full size now.

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Just now, akirby said:


The new Civic is the size of the old Accord.  Accord is bordering on full size now.

 

And the reason for that is CAFE Footprint too...they'd make no money on a Civic sized Civic because it have to get 40-50MPG


Yet another reason why cars are getting bigger/more expensive. 

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6 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

And the reason for that is CAFE Footprint too...they'd make no money on a Civic sized Civic because it have to get 40-50MPG


Yet another reason why cars are getting bigger/more expensive. 

 

Yea...

 

The last Civic to be fully designed and for sale before CAFE footprint rule came into effect was the 9th gen (2011-2015) and the footprint was about 42 sq ft. If Honda had kept the Civic at the same size, it will have a 60 MPG CAFE target in 2025.

 

 

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