g48150 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I normally don't give two squirts for anything that isn't sold here, but that Ford Mondeo that Bond rides up in when he first gets to the Bahamas is swwwweet. I even like the front end better than the Fusion's. So this doesn't get too far off-forum, the movie is very good, and features TONS of Ford Mo Co hardware, check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) It was a damn good movie, beating the Pierce Brosnan years of James Bond in all aspects of the film. It did not disappoint. As far as the Ford products, wasn't there an agreement/contract made that states they will feature Ford Products?? Either way the film featured... Trio of Land Rover Defenders (4 doors) Pair of Range Rovers Jaguar XJ Aston Martins (new and old) Ford Mondeo Ford Explorer ('02-'05) Crown Vic Taxis (wouldn't really need a contract for that though) Crown Vic and Old Explorers as Police vehicles in Airport chase ...and I'm sure I'm missing more. Edited November 27, 2006 by Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Richard's "we don't need yuropean crap" posts coming up in 3... 2... 1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Richard's "we don't need yuropean crap" posts coming up in 3... 2... 1... Hey its a nice looking car, but are people going to spend 20-25K starting price for a "small" mid-sized Ford in the US? You know whats going to happen if it comes over here, its going to be decontented and cheapened to death, just like every other European Ford import brought here. Share platforms, don't share the same model/name plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hey its a nice looking car, but are people going to spend 20-25K starting price for a "small" mid-sized Ford in the US? You know whats going to happen if it comes over here, its going to be decontented and cheapened to death, just like every other European Ford import brought here. Share platforms, don't share the same model/name plate Where is it small????????????????? do you know how big it is? It is equal to or larger than the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Where is it small?????????????????do you know how big it is? It is equal to or larger than the Fusion. My small comment was in regards to the cost point of it...a 500 starts at $22K and selling a non-decontented smaller Mondeo at the same price isn't going to win Ford any additional sales. If Ford can share the platform, make it cheaper without making it cheap, thats the way to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 My small comment was in regards to the cost point of it...a 500 starts at $22K and selling a non-decontented smaller Mondeo at the same price isn't going to win Ford any additional sales. If Ford can share the platform, make it cheaper without making it cheap, thats the way to go... If you you didn't make it cheap you wouldn't have to make it cheaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuseFord Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) I saw the movie on Saturday... I must say that both my girl-friend and I thought the Mondeo looked nice, but was waaaaaaay too European looking for the US. She like the rear of the car and my Fusion's front end better. What got me going the most was the hot XJ Super V8 Portfolio Edited November 27, 2006 by FuseFord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I saw the movie on Saturday... I must say that both my girl-friend and I thought the Mondeo looked nice, but was waaaaaaay too European looking for the US. She like the rear of the car and my Fusion's front end better. What got me going the most was the hot XJ Super V8 Portfolio Ford dealers in the USA need more product and need it ASAP to fill product gaps in order to compete with the imports... Toyota, Honda & Hyundai. I'm hoping that Ford's new CEO is seriously looking at the potential of importing some of the great European products as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 FUCK! you know what? I will wait for the new Mondeo... I was going to make the mistake of my life by buying the current one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 If you you didn't make it cheap you wouldn't have to make it cheaper? The problem is that the Mondeo shown here is most likely the top end model that would start at a MSRP of $24K+ or so. People don't want to spend that much on a Ford product starting at that, esp at that size. If you take a Mondeo and cheapen it down to where the Fusion starts at, your left with a lesser car then the Fusion is at the same price. Its far better for Ford to have the future CD platform cheap enough where a 18K I4 Fusion can still make money, but yet make a great platform for your 28K+ Mondeo ST to be built on. I don't think the upcoming Mondeo can do that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) The problem is that the Mondeo shown here is most likely the top end model that would start at a MSRP of $24K+ or so. People don't want to spend that much on a Ford product starting at that, esp at that size. If you take a Mondeo and cheapen it down to where the Fusion starts at, your left with a lesser car then the Fusion is at the same price. Its far better for Ford to have the future CD platform cheap enough where a 18K I4 Fusion can still make money, but yet make a great platform for your 28K+ Mondeo ST to be built on. I don't think the upcoming Mondeo can do that right now. You been listeneing to richard.too much. it is not about cost but about price. You charge For something you don't have. BTW how do ou know what the mondoe would cost in The US????? you don't, than don't presume to know. Also I tell my people this. Do not sell out of your own pocket, because what may be too expensive For you may not be for your customer. Edited November 27, 2006 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Exactly. Besides, $20-25K is precisely where most of the new sales for the new midsizers will move into. The new Camry is already there and you can bet the next Accord will move up in price as well. Really, it does Ford no good to keep targeting Kya and Hyundai as their main competitors, while the spotlight is over Honda and Toyota's crown jewels. The Fusion is about to get its second ass kicking (the first one was to the OUTGOING Accord) by a friggin' Malibu. Yes... the "I'M A RENTAL CAR LEGEND" MALIBU for gods sake. Scrap xenon headlights, bluetooth, rain sensing wipers, etc. (the expensive bits) and there's no reason why a car as good as the new Mondeo can't be built, as is, in NA as a better alternative/competitor. Edited November 28, 2006 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Do not sell out of your own pocket, because what may be too expensive for You may not be for your customer. Exactly. No one will pay this much for a Ford in the US...because we aren't given the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Do not sell out of your own pocket, because what may be too expensive For you may not be for your customer. I'd pay good money for a Mondeo type car in the US, but due to the PERCEIVED notion that American car manufactures can't build a car a worth a damn, Ford needs to sell their cars on value over Japanese cars to your average American car buyer. They have to rebuild their reputation before they can charge more for a car. You can't just go over night and jack your prices up (ala Saturn as GM Euro brand) and expect car sales to rise accordingly The Fusion is about to get its second ass kicking (the first one was to the OUTGOING Accord) by a friggin' Malibu. Yes... the "I'M A RENTAL CAR LEGEND" MALIBU for gods sake. Scrap xenon headlights, bluetooth, rain sensing wipers, etc. (the expensive bits) and there's no reason why a car as good as the new Mondeo can't be built, as is, in NA as a better alternative/competitor. Uh so your basing this all on one photo of a Interior? Your a better man then I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) I'm basing that on reports from people who have seen the car, who have pictured the car, and those who have driven the car. We've also seen enough spy shots to have a pretty good idea of the styling, which at least hints it'll be quite decent. It won't be a half-assed effort that only excels in mediocrity, like the Fusion. Recall that GM did the same thing Ford is doing now two years ago. The media came away extremely impressed by what they saw (Enclave, Malibu, Escalade, etc.) And then you have posts like these appearing all over the net from people who work at GM and are their harshest critics, random example: Those that know my rants probably realize I'm no fanboy, but rather harsh and critical of GM. I consider it fair and constructive criticism coming from an insider that wants the historic brand to turn itself around, right the ship, reinvent itself. For the past 12 years working at GM, I have been waiting... and waiting... and waiting. The things that GM CAN control... it has done a piss poor job at (i.e. Trying to change and step up to the plate.). Instead of aiming for outside the parking lot, it hits grounders... many of which directly to 1st base. Although there are some notable intros in the past 5 years, not many have been anything other than GOOD in a sea of GOOD competition. I was able to just review a listing of future products planned for the near future... and after (12) years of doing , I can now do... !!! That's pretty significant considering there likely is no bigger critique (realistic) of GM here than moi. Where once was NOTHING for my ilk to choose from, there now seems to be too many. I'll gladly take that "problem". Pardon the teasing, because I cannot divulge anything. I can say this... it should all "happen" before Hillary starts the last half of her term. Guy is anything but GM's RichardJensen. Edited November 28, 2006 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one2gamble Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Hey its a nice looking car, but are people going to spend 20-25K starting price for a "small" mid-sized Ford in the US? You know whats going to happen if it comes over here, its going to be decontented and cheapened to death, just like every other European Ford import brought here. Share platforms, don't share the same model/name plate If Ford would build it in Mexico or the US then it wouldnt have to be "cheapened" and would not cost any more than the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) ^Exactly. BTW, some comments from your average americans on CR and "that car": "Anyone know what kind of car James Bond drove in Casino Royale (besides the Jag, Aston, etc)? I don't remember what part of the movie it was, but I think it was a rental. It was a Ford, but it wasn't a Fusion. It looked sweet." "That vehicle looked fantastic. If not for the badge it could have easily been mistaken for something much more expensive." "What a spectacular-looking car that is. Just what Ford needs!" "If there was only one reason for me to see the movie, it would be just for that one car." "Ummm.....that was a hot Ford...lol, never thought I'd say that." "I can't understand why Ford produces great looking, well-packaged designs, but refuses to market them in their domestic market. Out of the big three, Ford is in the worst shape BY FAR, and it seems like fresh product like this new Mondeo would be a shot in the arm for them. I mean, look at the damn thing - it's GORGEOUS! This would get people interested in the brand again and would get people in dealerships. Case in point: my roommate, who is not a car guy, saw 007 over the holiday and came straight home and immediately got busy on google trying to figure out what kind of car that was. He was amazed to find out that it was a Ford. He's in the market for a new car, and was disgusted when I told him that he wouldn't even be able to see one in person here in the US and A." "BUBUBU GOOD ENOUGH / FUSION" "BUBUBU SELL IT HERE ONLY IF DESIGNED HERE" "BUBUBU CONTOUR / THE PAST" "BUBUBU BILL GATES HIMSELF COULDN'T AFFORD IT" Edited November 28, 2006 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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